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  • #9787
    RamBill
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    Rams DE Robert Quinn on the sack drought plaguing his 2014 season so far.

    http://www.rams-news.com/robert-quinn-on-sack-drought-all-it-takes-is-one-snowflake-video/

    #9788
    Winnbrad
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    He’s being held. He’s either got to “flop” better and get the holding call, or he’s got to improve at breaking the hold.

    #9789
    nittany ram
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    He applies about as much pressure as a snowflake. Yeah, Quinn is being held at times. He was last year too but it didn’t keep him from getting 19 sacks. Bottom line is Quinn and the rest of the d-line aren’t performing. I’ve watched Quinn and I’ve seen him get held, but I’ve also seen him get driven past the pocket. I’ve seen him get pushed down, knocked backwards and completely neutralized. All great d-lineman throughout history have been held, but they still managed to excel as pass rushers. I don’t know what Quinn is doing differently this year or if this is about Williams’ defense but something has changed from last year to this and it can’t be explained by being held.

    #9797
    wv
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    He applies about as much pressure as a snowflake. Yeah, Quinn is being held at times. He was last year too but it didn’t keep him from getting 19 sacks. Bottom line is Quinn and the rest of the d-line aren’t performing. I’ve watched Quinn and I’ve seen him get held, but I’ve also seen him get driven past the pocket. I’ve seen him get pushed down, knocked backwards and completely neutralized. All great d-lineman throughout history have been held, but they still managed to excel as pass rushers. I don’t know what Quinn is doing differently this year or if this is about Williams’ defense but something has changed from last year to this and it can’t be explained by being held.

    Maybe the OT’s have figured him out in some way.
    I dunno.
    Or maybe he didnt come in with the same fire
    this year.
    Or maybe the weddings of zack and zooey’s
    relatives have affected him in some way.

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    #9798
    wv
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    #9799
    wv
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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2234299-why-the-st-louis-rams-pass-rush-has-completely-vanished

    Why The Rams pass rush has vanished

    In response to the “getting the ball out quickly” theory,
    La, says this:
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    Laram
    Yeah thats a myth, or an excuse that people are using in an attempt to try an explain away the lack of sacks registered to date.

    “Well teams are getting rid of the ball quickly”.

    That means three step drops, right?

    Look at the G. Jennings TD in the back of the endzone.

    Look at the Dez Bryant play

    Look at the T. Williams play

    Look at the J. Matthews play (2nd option)

    Look at the R. Cooper play

    Look at the A. Boldin play

    Look at the M. Crabtree play

    Look at the B. Lloyd play

    Do you think any of those were 3 step drops, get the ball out quickly? They were not.

    Its not the offenses getting the ball out quickly, its the Rams.

    #9800
    nittany ram
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    Well, let’s say offenses are getting the ball out quickly. There’s got to be a way to for a defense to adjust to that, right? I mean, if all it takes to neutralize a great pass rush is to throw it sooner then why would an offense ever worry about any pass rush at all? Just use a 3 step drop and fire.

    The way to defend against that is to not let the receiver get off the line cleanly. This disrupts the timing of the play and forces the QB to hold onto the ball longer. Are the Rams DB’s letting receivers release cleanly? I don’t know.

    Although I wouldn’t be surprised if on average opposing QB’s are taking shorter drops and throwing sooner, I also agree with laram. I have seen many instances where the QB had all day to throw.

    #9858
    RamBill
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    Robert Quinn hopes the sacks are back vs. Seattle
    By Terry Blount

    http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/9314/robert-quinn-hopes-the-sacks-are-back-vs-seattle

    RENTON, Wash. — No team in the NFL was better than the St. Louis Rams at getting to Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson last season.

    The Rams sacked Wilson 11 times in the two NFC West matchups. The Seahawks managed to win both games, but the St. Louis defensive line made for some painful moments for Wilson.

    If the Rams are going to keep up the pace against Wilson, they will need to do a lot better job at rushing the passer than they have in the first six games this season.

    St. Louis was third in the league last season in sacks with 53, but the Rams have only one sack this season. Defensive end Robert Quinn, who had a league-leading 19 sacks last season, doesn’t have a sack in the first six games this year.

    “The ball’s coming out pretty fast,” Quinn said Wednesday on a conference call with Seahawks reporters. “But what can you do? Our back seven are covering their tails off and making plays. One of these days, hopefully, we can have another big sack day.”

    And it could be Sunday, based on what the Rams did against the Seattle offensive line last year. Quinn might line up a few times against rookie offensive tackle Justin Britt on Sunday.

    “He’s a young guy, and I’m sure he’s still trying to learn and really getting the feel for it,” Quinn said. “But they believe in him, and there’s a reason why he’s out there. He must be doing something right.”

    The Rams did a lot of things right in pressuring Wilson last year, but one of the key components to that pass rush won’t play this weekend. Defensive end Chris Long is out after undergoing ankle surgery last month. Long had a big night in the 14-9 loss to the Seahawks last year in the Monday night game at St. Louis.

    “I had three sacks, and Chris had three that night,” Quinn said. “We held them to 135 yards [total offense]. We played a heck of a ballgame overall. Of course, they came out with the W, but we went toe-to-toe with the world champs.

    “That’s the same kind of team we have now. We just have to put it all together and catch fire. We just have to get momentum swinging our way.”

    Quinn revealed a little bit on how the Rams were able to get to Wilson last season.

    “He’s a shorter quarterback, but trying to take anything away from him,” Quinn said. “But if you keep him in the pocket with linemen who are 6-4 and 6-5 and make it hard for him to see his receivers, that’s the best thing.

    “It kind of changes the way you rush a guy. You can’t do a speed rush every single down or Russell will get out and make a play downfield. It can be a little frustrating, but if you collapse the pocket, sometimes you can fall into a couple of sacks. If we have to do that to win a game, we’ll do whatever it takes.”

    #9894
    RamBill
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    Rams’ ‘sack city’ tries to get out of the bag
    • By Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-sack-city-tries-to-get-out-of-the-bag/article_9d721c4b-0c1e-5a49-9bed-c586b15e58d3.html

    It’s mind-boggling to think that basically one-third of the way through the 2014 campaign, defensive end Robert Quinn has not recorded a sack. And for that matter, that the entire Rams squad has only one sack.

    There was a stat produced by the NFL Network a few days ago, that the Rams have the fewest sacks through five games of any NFL team since the sack became an official statistic in 1982.

    Mind-boggling.

    By now, we’re all familiar with the extenuating circumstances. The team has missed injured defensive end Chris Long even more than expected. Opposing teams are getting the ball out quickly, thus neutralizing the Rams’ rush.

    And yes, the Rams still have had fewer passes thrown against them — 142, or 28.4 per game —than anyone in the NFL. That’s partly because until Monday night’s contest against San Francisco, opponents have had great success running the football against them.

    Even Quinn, who had 19 sacks last season, concedes: “When they know they can run the ball on you, why pick up the ball and throw it?”

    Still, one sack in five games as a team? The NFL average, by the way, is 12 sacks per team this season. The Rams are a l-o-n-g way from average.

    Even the Seattle Seahawks, Sunday’s opponent for the Rams in a noon kickoff at the Edward Jones Dome, are surprised.

    “Surprisingly, they don’t have any sacks,” Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson said. “They have only one sack this year. But I know they get to the quarterback really well usually and they cause a lot of havoc.”

    “I think they still have good pressure,” Seattle coach Pete Carroll said. “They blitz a lot, they do a lot of stuff, and they’re getting pressure and causing problems. The fact that those numbers aren’t where they have been, I have no idea.

    “Ours aren’t either. We’re not rushing the passer like we did a year ago, and we’re trying to get that better, too. So I just think it’s a couple games (into the season), and by the time this season gets rolling those guys will be back on track.”

    Obviously, Carroll and Wilson don’t want anything to get rolling Sunday for the Rams. But for Quinn, for the entire Rams defense, for coach Jeff Fisher, and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, the sacks can’t come quickly enough.

    “I’m sure that first one’s slowly coming,” Quinn said. “I’m not gonna stress over it. Once that first one gets out the way, hopefully the ball starts rolling. So we don’t need to stress about it. Just constantly stay focused on our playbook.”

    It’s easy enough to assume that Quinn has been getting plenty of extra attention with double-, no, make that triple-team blocks from opposing offenses, especially in the absence of Long.

    But as Quinn freely admits, that hasn’t really been the case.

    “I wouldn’t necessarily say that,” Quinn said. “You get your normal chips and blocks from tight ends. So I wouldn’t necessarily say that. I just think this has been a slow start for us but like I said we still have enough season to go to get the thing turned around.”

    Quinn has faced a murderer’s row of left tackles in the past three games. Tyron Smith of Dallas, Jason Peters of Philadelphia, and Joe Staley of San Francisco have 10 Pro Bowls between them.

    For the most part, Quinn hasn’t been able to get around those guys on the edge. There have been a couple of occasions where Quinn has slipped getting off the line. He hasn’t really tried many inside moves.

    The Rams haven’t used him on many stunts and loops with defensive tackles. And unlike some elite pass rushers, the Rams don’t move him around.

    He never lines up at left end — Long’s spot, which currently is manned by William Hayes. And over the years, he rarely has moved inside on passing downs.

    Sunday’s foe, 2012 Pro Bowler Russell Okung, is no slouch either — although he has been coping with a shoulder issue this season.

    “We’ve just gotta get it going,” Quinn said. “All it takes is one snowflake to cause an avalanche. So hopefully we can get that snowflake pretty soon.”

    Quinn has gotten plenty of snowflakes in the past two seasons against Seattle, enough to start packing a snowball. Beginning with the 2012 season, Quinn has had six sacks in four games against the Seahawks, including at least one in each game.

    In the 2013 contest against Seattle at the Dome, a hard-fought 14-9 Monday night loss, Quinn had three sacks although Okung did not play. Paul McQuistan was the starter that evening at left tackle.

    For now, Quinn insists he’s not frustrated about his slow start.

    “Nothing I can do to change (what’s past), so why beat myself up about it?” Quinn said. “Just continue to work my technique like the whole D-line is.”

    He does not think all the preseason hype about the Rams’ pass-rush, including the catchy #SackCity nickname, has put undue pressure on himself or the line as a whole.

    “I think you should set high expectations for yourself regardless,” Quinn said. “You don’t ever want to sell yourself short. We raised the bar for ourselves. We set our bar so high, and of course we haven’t started out the season where we wanted to. But I don’t think (the hype) affected us.”

    For his part, defensive coordinator Williams is trying to keep it positive for Quinn and for the line as a whole.

    “We always would like to have more negative plays,” Williams said. “…. For the most part our guys are doing a really good job on pushing the pocket back. We’ve got to continue to do that.”

    As for Quinn, Williams says: “He’s a prideful man. … He would love to have probably more statistics in that area, and he wants to put those things on him because he knows he can make a difference making plays here and there.”

    No time like the present.

    #9907
    sdram
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    I’m ready for the blizzard.

    #9910
    wv
    Participant

    I’m ready for the blizzard.

    Well some of us experts
    thot the Rams would have a shot
    at the Sack record this year.

    Fewest sacks in a season:
    Chiefs 2008 – Ten
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_records_%28team%29#Sacks

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    #9912
    Dak
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    sdram wrote:
    I’m ready for the blizzard.

    Well some of us experts
    thot the Rams would have a shot
    at the Sack record this year.

    Fewest sacks in a season:
    Chiefs 2008 – Ten

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_records_%28team%29#Sacks

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    And,

    Fewest Opponents Yards Lost Attempting to Pass, Season, 72
    Jacksonville Jaguars: 1995

    I just think that some of the Rams’ DTs have been playing hurt, Long being out, and Quinn not being dominant = a mediocre pass rush. The blitz should have made up for some of that, but I haven’t seen a blitz package work this season, which is just amazing. So, Gregg Williams is a nonfactor, as well.

    (I also think the 1 sack thing is a little misleading … I think we’ve had at least two sacks nullified on horrible calls.)

    #9966
    zn
    Moderator

    “Snowflake” got his 1st sack.

    #9978
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    that really needs to be his nickname.

    #9996
    21Dog
    Participant

    Three sacks in the first half, none in the second.

    Not sure what the difference was between the two halves (and don’t tell me the 20 minute halftime show).

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