Fisher and QBs

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February 7, 2018 at 3:03 pm #80945

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Jeff Fisher’s Rams were a hotbed of quarterback talent

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 7, 2018, 6:14 AM EST
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Nick Foles is the Super Bowl MVP, and he’s the NFL’s all-time leader in passer rating in the postseason.

Case Keenum led the Vikings to the NFC Championship Game, where he lost to Foles’ Eagles.

Jared Goff is one of the NFL’s best young quarterbacks, a 23-year-old Pro Bowler.

What do those three quarterbacks have in common? They were the three quarterbacks who started for the Rams in 2015 and 2016.

Any coach would kill to have that kind of talent at quarterback, and yet Jeff Fisher’s Rams put together an ugly offense with those three at the helm.

In 2015 the Rams went 7-9 and finished dead last in in the NFL in both passing yards and total yards.

In 2016 the Rams went 4-12, again finished dead last in the NFL in total yards, and finished 31st in passing yards.

When Fisher was fired late in 2016, there was some talk that his failure with the Rams was all a result of never having a good quarterback. But that’s not quite right. Fisher had three good quarterbacks. The problem was that Fisher, even with three good quarterbacks, couldn’t put together a good offense.
link:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/07/jeff-fishers-rams-were-a-hotbed-of-quarterback-talent/

February 7, 2018 at 4:09 pm #80973

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I think it;s ridiculous.

First, the Rams are not the only team where Foles melted down. And other qbs such as Bradford, Clemens, and Hill did not melt down playing for the Fisher Rams.

And Keenum did well with them as long as he had a running game (he didn’t in 2016). In fact Keenum in 2015 had the same conditions and circumstances as Foles but CK didn’t melt down.

I think that kind of conclusion the article reaches is superficial and all too easy, and you have to overlook A LOT to come up with that take.

February 7, 2018 at 4:21 pm #80982
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Truthfully the only QB that played well under Jeff Fisher was Steve McNair. McNair won in spite of Jeff Fisher’s ineptness. Kurt Warner couldn’t win with Jeff Fisher as his Head Coach.

Bradford, Hill, and Keenum sucked just as much as Files when they were here. Jeesh.
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February 8, 2018 at 2:10 pm #82029

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Bradford played very well for Fisher, (when healthy)

February 8, 2018 at 4:57 pm #82145

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JackPMiller wrote:

Truthfully the only QB that played well under Jeff Fisher was Steve McNair. McNair won in spite of Jeff Fisher’s ineptness. Kurt Warner couldn’t win with Jeff Fisher as his Head Coach.

Bradford, Hill, and Keenum sucked just as much as Files when they were here. Jeesh.

Nope.

Keenum in 2015, and then some of that continued even without a running game in 2016.

McNair. Collins,who had one of the 2-3 best years of his career with the Titans.

Bradford, as mentioned.

Shaun Hill is a #2 caliber guy but he had one of his best years in 2014.

Same with Clemens. Another career #2 but he had his best year as a pro in 2013.

Not that bad for a team that had to deal with the Rams age-old broken OL issues and was also forced to start a lot of #2s at qb.

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February 8, 2018 at 5:54 pm #82172

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zn wrote:

JackPMiller wrote:

Truthfully the only QB that played well under Jeff Fisher was Steve McNair. McNair won in spite of Jeff Fisher’s ineptness. Kurt Warner couldn’t win with Jeff Fisher as his Head Coach.

Bradford, Hill, and Keenum sucked just as much as Files when they were here. Jeesh.

Nope.

Keenum in 2015, and then some of that continued even without a running game in 2016.

McNair. Collins,who had one of the 2-3 best years of his career with the Titans.

Bradford, as mentioned.

Shaun Hill is a #2 caliber guy but he had one of his best years in 2014.

Same with Clemens. Another career #2 but he had his best year as a pro in 2013.

Not that bad for a team that had to deal with the Rams age-old broken OL issues and was also forced to start a lot of #2s at qb.

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How did the Eagles do when they lost two starters on the OLine, Artist Hicks and Jason Peters,and a back up QB?

February 8, 2018 at 7:07 pm #82201

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JackPMiller wrote:

How did the Eagles do when they lost two starters on the OLine, Artist Hicks and Jason Peters,and a back up QB?

If you remember your Rams history, it wasn’t as little as losing 2 linemen. It went beyond that.

In the first 8 games of 2012, for example, they played 8 different guys on the left side/center. If you count Turner moving to center, it’s actually 9 different position changes in 8 games.

February 8, 2018 at 7:26 pm #82202

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zn wrote:

JackPMiller wrote:

How did the Eagles do when they lost two starters on the OLine, Artist Hicks and Jason Peters,and a back up QB?

As well as the Rams ever did under the same conditions. Because if you remember your Rams history, it wasn’t as little as losing 2 linemen. It went beyond that.

In the first 8 games of 2017, for example, they played 8 different guys on the left side/center.

That was due to our laid back coaching style. These guys were not being coached up. Fisher deserved the blame. Jeff Fisher should have been fired after his third season. The guy was straight garbage. I’m hoping McVay is not a one hit wonder. Time will tell. Give me two more years to judge.

I like Fisher as a person, but not as a Head Coach of an NFL team. The days of Jeff Fisher ever going to be a Head Coach again is over.

February 8, 2018 at 7:48 pm #82204

zn
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JackPMiller wrote:

That was due to our laid back coaching style.

Jack…no.

Rams history with very bad OL injuries goes back to 2007.

There are only 3 years out of the last 11 seasons where it was comparatively okay, with the team either suffering minimal OL injuries, or with the team making it through most of the season (13 games) before the OL injuries hit.

Those seasons are 2010, 2013, and 2017.

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February 8, 2018 at 11:51 pm #82256

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i think it means snead and co were pretty darn good at finding qbs. drafting goff was no fluke. yeah, they had the number one pick, but they were widely ridiculed for trading up for him. maybe ridiculed is going overboard. but there was definitely a raising of the collective brow.

and while i agree that fisher was handcuffed by things that were out of his control, i still wonder if he would have been able to get the most of these qbs.

in short, i think that article tries to oversimplifies things and ignores some truths that were simply out of fisher’s control. but i also think that the rams made the right decision firing him and going with mcvay.

February 9, 2018 at 10:44 am #82339

zn
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zn wrote:

JackPMiller wrote:

That was due to our laid back coaching style.

Jack…no.

Rams history with very bad OL injuries goes back to 2007.

There are only 3 years out of the last 11 seasons where it was comparatively okay, with the team either suffering minimal OL injuries, or with the team making it through most of the season (13 games) before the OL injuries hit.

Those seasons are 2010, 2013, and 2017.

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I should add that in one of those 3 seasons–2013–PFF ranked the Rams OL 13th.

The “make up ways in which Fisher is to blame for EVERYTHING” movement notwithstanding.
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