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  • January 31, 2018 at 8:57 am #80604
    wv
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    I dont agree or disagree with his main points. Fwiw.

    counterpunch:https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/01/31/sanders-and-the-empire/

    January 31, 2018 at 2:08 pm #80612
    Zooey
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    Yeah. Well. Coupla things. First, I don’t think it is true to say that Bernie is out to save the “Euro-American” middle class, so much as it is accurate to say that much of his base is “Euro-American” middle class. Bernie DOES talk about the poor, so I don’t know what that guy is listening to. I think it’s fair to say that Bernie doesn’t emphasize the poor, but they do get a fair amount of attention. And the $15/hour, universal health, free college policies would help the poor considerably.

    Do we need more than that? Sure. But Bernie is a realistic option, the most left option there is. Political shifts take time, unless….

    I keep reading references to Late Stage Capitalism…and they may be right. One way or another, our system has to go. I do not think it’s a given that whatever supersedes it will be better. In all likelihood, seems to me, we are more likely to return to some sort of feudal system. In America, a systemic collapse will be terrifying. We are not one of the countries on this planet with a strong sense of community. We are divided – a lot – by a lot of things: politics, race, religion. And we are heavily armed with a long love affair with violent solutions. If we aren’t going to move gradually to the left – take what we can get – the alternative is ugly.

    February 1, 2018 at 11:38 am #80625
    wv
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    Zooey wrote:

    Yeah. Well. Coupla things. First, I don’t think it is true to say that Bernie is out to save the “Euro-American” middle class, so much as it is accurate to say that much of his base is “Euro-American” middle class. Bernie DOES talk about the poor, so I don’t know what that guy is listening to. I think it’s fair to say that Bernie doesn’t emphasize the poor, but they do get a fair amount of attention. And the $15/hour, universal health, free college policies would help the poor considerably.

    Do we need more than that? Sure. But Bernie is a realistic option, the most left option there is. Political shifts take time, unless….

    I keep reading references to Late Stage Capitalism…and they may be right. One way or another, our system has to go. I do not think it’s a given that whatever supersedes it will be better. In all likelihood, seems to me, we are more likely to return to some sort of feudal system. In America, a systemic collapse will be terrifying. We are not one of the countries on this planet with a strong sense of community. We are divided – a lot – by a lot of things: politics, race, religion. And we are heavily armed with a long love affair with violent solutions. If we aren’t going to move gradually to the left – take what we can get – the alternative is ugly.

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    I tend to agree with all that.

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