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June 12, 2017 at 8:16 pm #69965znModerator
Rams are set for three-day mini-camp, but will Aaron Donald show up?
By RICH HAMMOND
The cramming is complete, the pop quizzes done. The Rams have three more days to show Coach Sean McVay that they’re quick learners before they head out for summer vacation.
It’s a short one. In approximately seven weeks, the Rams will reconvene in Irvine for the start of training camp, but first they will complete the final phase of their offseason program with a mini-camp Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at Cal Lutheran in Thousand Oaks.
All players — veterans and rookies, healthy and injured — are expected to at least show up for the mini-camp, and those who don’t face a fine of approximately $80,000.
The Rams had good attendance during their optional practices throughout May and June. The outlier was star defensive tackle Aaron Donald, who didn’t attend any of the 10 OTA practices because of contract issues. Top cornerback Trumaine Johnson also missed three practices.
This is an important time for the Rams, who under first-year coach McVay are installing new offensive and defensive schemes. The Rams have been able to meet and practice, on and off, for the past two months, but the absences don’t help the overall learning curve.
Receiver Tavon Austin is recovering from wrist surgery and missed all of OTAs. Donald is a huge part of the Rams’ defense, so the Rams haven’t had much time to put their full team on the field and show how much they’ve perfected the new schemes.
“As a coach, you’re always going to want the guys here,” McVay said recently, “but you understand the framework of the way that some of this stuff is set up in the offseason program. I think the guys have really done a good job of kind of understanding, ‘If I’m not here because of some other things that do come up, let’s let it be known.’
“All things being equal, you’d love to say, ‘Let’s get everybody here so that you can get all of the work that you want and guys aren’t missing out on information that’s given.’”
McVay remained supportive of Donald throughout the OTA absence and praised Donald’s communication level and his commitment when he attended earlier offseason work.
The Rams wouldn’t publicly say whether they expect Donald to attend the mini-camp, and Donald’s agent did not respond to an interview request. NFL network reported Monday, in an anonymous-source report, that Donald was “considering” skipping the mini-camp.
General Manager Les Snead acknowledged that Donald’s absence from OTAs was due to contract talks. Donald is set to become an unrestricted free agent after the 2018 season.
The Rams remain optimistic they can get a deal done, perhaps before the start of training camp in late July, but it’s a big one, with league-wide ramifications.
In the past two years, defensive tackles have signed huge multi-year contracts. Miami’s Ndamukong Suh signed for an average of $19 million, followed by Buffalo’s Marcell Dareus ($18 million) and, in April, Carolina’s Kawann Short ($16 million).
Donald is quite a catch. He recently turned 26 but already is a three-time Pro Bowl selection with 28 sacks in 48 regular-season games.
That’s a world-class combination. The good news is that the Rams have plenty of salary-cap room beyond this season. The bad news is, almost none of their defensive linemen or defensive backs are locked up long term, and that includes Johnson.
Shortly after the mini-camp, the Rams are expected to renew contract negotiations with Johnson’s agent. They have until July 15 to reach a new deal, or Johnson will make $17.4 million in 2017 then be eligible to become an unrestricted free agent next March.
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June 12, 2017 at 9:41 pm #69970InvaderRamModeratori’m not worried about donald. whether he shows up for minicamp or not, all i’m concerned about is that he shows up for training camp. as long as he gets in by then, he should be ready to go.
i also think this is the beginning of the end for tavon.
my bold prediction is that woods, kupp, and thomas become the top 3 receivers by the end of the season.
June 13, 2017 at 4:36 pm #69995znModeratorVincent Bonsignore @DailyNewsVinny
Aaron Donald is here at #Rams minicamp today
June 13, 2017 at 5:10 pm #69997znModeratorNo new deal in place, but Aaron Donald reports for minicamp
Josh Alper
No new deal in place, but Aaron Donald reports for minicamp
When Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald opted not to attend Organized Team Activities this offseason, General Manager Les Snead said that the team was in the “serious stages” of negotiating a contract extension for their top defensive player and indications were that Donald’s absence was related to the lack of an agreement.
Those talks have not yielded a new deal at this point and there was a report this week that Donald might not show for minicamp, but that turned out to be incorrect. According to multiple reports, Donald is at the Rams’ practice on Tuesday.
Donald will avoid any possible fines from the team by showing up for work. He’ll have another decision to make come training camp if a deal hasn’t fallen into place by then, but would also risk being fined if he failed to report this summer.
That wouldn’t be a desirable outcome for either side and the gap between minicamp and training camp should provide plenty of opportunities for a deal to get hammered out in L.A.
June 13, 2017 at 6:09 pm #70001znModeratorAaron Donald at Rams minicamp after skipping OTAs over deal
Alden Gonzalez
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19627759/aaron-donald-los-angeles-rams-minicamp-skipping-otas
Defensive tackle Aaron Donald ended his absence from the Los Angeles Rams’ recent activities, reporting Tuesday for the start of mandatory minicamp.
Donald skipped OTAs while his representatives at CAA negotiated a potential extension with the team.
Rams general manager Les Snead confirmed last month that Donald’s absence from OTAs “has something to do with the contract” and said he is “very hopeful that this thing will get done.”
The Rams picked up Donald’s fifth-year option earlier this year. The No. 13 overall pick in 2014 will be paid a base salary of about $1.8 million in 2017 and $6.9 million in 2018, then will be eligible for free agency.
Donald has been invited to the Pro Bowl each of his three NFL seasons and was first-team All-Pro the past two years. In 2015 and ’16, he was considered the game’s best defensive player, regardless of position, by Pro Football Focus. Last season alone, he led the NFL with 31 quarterback hits, was tied for the lead with 17 tackles for loss, and added eight sacks.
Rams rookie head coach Sean McVay said last month that Donald was present for the voluntary veteran minicamp from April 25-27.
Any extension for Donald might require making him the game’s highest-paid defensive player, though he could be willing to sacrifice some of that in order to make more in his two seasons before free agency.
The game’s highest-paid defensive player is Broncos outside linebacker Von Miller, who signed a six-year, $114.5 million contract, with $70 million guaranteed, last July. After Miller are a couple of defensive tackles: Ndamukong Suh of the Dolphins (six years, $114.375 million with nearly $60 million guaranteed) and Fletcher Cox of the Eagles (six-year, $102.6 million contract with nearly $63.3 million guaranteed).
J.J. Watt — the only one among the five highest-paid defensive players to get an extension before his fourth season — got a six-year deal worth about $100 million with nearly $52 million guaranteed with the Texans.
June 13, 2017 at 9:25 pm #70007AgamemnonParticipantThe Rams picked up Donald’s fifth-year option earlier this year. The No. 13 overall pick in 2014 will be paid a base salary of about $1.8 million in 2017 and $6.9 million in 2018, then will be eligible for free agency.
The salary for this year is right, but what they should add is that he gets $1,423,000 as a bonus this year. He gets paid #3.2 million this year and $6.9 million next year.
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There is an important part of comparing the contracts of the top players. Watt and Donald both had 2 years left under contract. Cox had one year left. I believe Miller was a franchise player and Suh was a free agent. So, those contracts were not necessarily handled the same way when they were negotiated.
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My impression is that Donald, Watt, Suh, and Miller were considered as best defensive players, Cox as a really good DT. imo
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The Rams can keep Donald’s numbers for 2017 and 2018 the same. They then make a 6 years extension for 2019 to 2014. They guarantee him a bunch of money, but the doesn’t kick in until 2019. He just has to wait a bit before he sees it. Or some combination of the above. Somewhere in the extension is compensation for the relatively lower salaries of 2017 and 2018. They can pay him as the best defensive player because the Salary Cap figures to inflate for at least another 3 oe 4 years.
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Ogletree’s extension isn’t a problem. The real cap problem is Trumaine’s $17 million for this year and the extremely high number of free agents next year and when do they start paying a QBs salary? But that is all down the road and they can plan for that.June 13, 2017 at 10:27 pm #70012InvaderRamModeratori want donald back and ogletree to a lesser extent.
i’m not tied to trujo. and i think even joyner and alexander are expendable.
June 13, 2017 at 11:12 pm #70014znModeratorAaron Donald reports to Rams mini-camp, but sits out drills
By RICH HAMMOND
link: http://www.ocregister.com/2017/06/13/aaron-donald-reports-to-rams-mini-camp-but-sits-out-drills/
THOUSAND OAKS — He didn’t make it easy. Aaron Donald slowly prowled around the Cal Lutheran practice field, clad in camouflage workout pants with a sweatshirt hood over his head.
Donald showed up, though, and that’s what mattered most to the Rams on Tuesday.
There’d been question whether Donald, the star defensive tackle who is in the middle of new-contract negotiations, would attend this week’s mandatory mini-camp or skip it, as he did with all 10 of the Rams’ optional OTA practices in May and June.
Donald was on the field with teammates for Tuesday’s 90-minute practice but did not participate in position or full-team drills. The Rams did not make Donald available to reporters, and Coach Sean McVay said he hadn’t decided whether Donald would join team drills in practice on Wednesday or Thursday. Donald watched all of practice and did conditioning drills on the side with coaches.
“He has really kept up with what is going on mentally,” McVay said. “He’s such a sharp, natural football player. He kind of made a seamless transition with the walk-through, and it’s great to have him back here with his teammates.”
It’s been a while. Donald, a Pro Bowl selection in each of his first three seasons, attended all of the Rams’ offseason workouts in April and May until OTA practices started last month. Donald missed three weeks of on- and off-field work, and the Rams confirmed it was related to contract matters.
McVay said Tuesday he had no news on the status of negotiations but described Donald as being in a “good place” mentally, in terms of Donald’s relationship with the team. Donald faced a possible fine of $80,000 if he missed this week’s mini-camp.
“Getting him here today, it was great to be able to talk to him face to face,” McVay said. “He’s been taking great care of himself. And he loves football. I think we all want to come to a resolution. We feel great about what Aaron has done for this organization and we’re optimistic about what’s to come.”
McVay and the Rams expressed support for Donald throughout his OTA absence, but clearly they’d like to get him on the field as much as possible. The Rams, and coordinator Wade Phillips, are installing a totally new defense in 2017, and Donald is the star and anchor of that unit.
The issue with Donald’s absence isn’t so much Donald, who is known as a smart player who keeps himself in great shape, but with his teammates, who need to know exactly how to work with Donald in the new defense. McVay said he wasn’t worried that the Rams’ defense would be set back.
“With some of the resources we do have at our disposal, you’re able to still access some of the film,” McVay said of Donald. “He’s such a conscientious player that I think he’s one of the few players who, you do feel good about his ability to get up to speed in a quick manner. He’s a guy that is such a natural football player, the game comes simple to him. That’s not something we’re too concerned about.”
June 15, 2017 at 2:41 pm #70087AgamemnonParticipantAnother thought on Donald’s contract. If the Rams extend Donald for 6 years, like Watt was extended, where they added the 6 years to the 2 years he was already under contract for, Donald is locked up for 8 years. At a price of his new 6 year deal plus the 2 years he is already under contract for.
2017 @ $3.2 million
2018 @ $6.8 million plus 6 more years for $120 million.
Equals 8 years for $130 million or $16.25 million/year. The salary cap figures to be $200 million by 2020. He would be under contract until 2024. If you figure his percent of the Cap on the average of the Cap over the last 6 years, 10% of that is $20 million/year. Do you see where this is going? A contract that might look out of whack can be a bargain. So, don’t sweat the $120 million dollar highest paid player, etc., hype. What will count is when and how much Donald gets paid in guarantees. The Salary Cap might be affected, but in the case of Watt, I don’t think the first 2 years were. Anyway, that can be controlled without much strain. You lock up a Hall of Fame tackle for the next 8 years for what it would cost for a franchise DE. I will take a chance on that.June 15, 2017 at 7:19 pm #70096InvaderRamModeratorlock him up.
for donald i do it. i don’t worry about that guy. he’s special.
i know he caught some flak last year for being out of control at times, but he’s a once in a decade type player. he’ll be fine.
June 15, 2017 at 11:32 pm #70113znModeratorRich Hammond
from: http://www.ocregister.com/2017/06/15/rams-trade-lt-greg-robinson-to-lions/
The Rams won’t return to the field as a full team until July 29 and the start of training camp at UC Irvine. Between now and then, will any new contracts be done?
The Rams face a July 15 deadline to sign cornerback Trumaine Johnson to a new deal, or he will play the 2017 under his one-year “franchise tag” contract, which is worth a hefty $16.7 million. McVay had high praise for Johnson on Thursday and said he fit well in the Rams’ defensive system (and any system).
Star defensive tackle Aaron Donald is under contract through the 2018 season, but the Rams and Donald’s agent have been talking about a new deal. Those talks, apparently, caused Donald to skip all 10 of the Rams’ OTA practices, although Donald did attend this week’s mini-camp at Cal Lutheran.
“(Donald) wants to be here,” McVay said. “He wants to get something worked out. … I think we’re optimistic that something’s going to work out.”
June 16, 2017 at 9:41 am #70124znModeratorRams shift focus to contracts for Aaron Donald, others
Alden Gonzalez
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — The roars reverberated through the facility. Sean McVay informed his players on Wednesday afternoon that he was cancelling the Thursday morning practice, the final session of his offseason program, as a reward for all the hard work they put in over these past nine weeks. They were suddenly free to go, on their own until they all reconvene for training camp in late July, and the room had a last-day-of-school excitement to it.
But the Los Angeles Rams’ front office still has work to do, because some key contract situations remain unsettled.
Aaron Donald, the game’s best interior pass-rusher, is dissatisfied with what he will earn over these next two years and is seemingly striving to be paid among the game’s best defensive players. But there’s also primary cornerback Trumaine Johnson, who was slapped with the franchise tag again and can’t sign an extension after July 15. And inside linebacker Alec Ogletree, a free agent at season’s end whom the Rams badly want to extend. And, perhaps, Lamarcus Joyner, a slot cornerback and free safety who is under contract for one more year and is very much a part of the Rams’ long-term plans.
Aaron Donald is a priority for the Rams, but decisions regarding cornerback Trumaine Johnson and linebacker Alec Ogletree could complicate contract talks. Marc Piscotty/Icon Sportswire
Donald didn’t attend the three weeks that included organized team activities, but did rejoin the team for this week’s mandatory minicamp and spent the two days conditioning on his own. Rams general manager Les Snead said on May 22 that he was “very hopeful that this thing will get done” with Donald. But he stated Thursday that there is “nothing new” with those discussions.“Aaron Donald is a priority for us,” Snead said. “That’s about all I can say.”
Donald was not made available to speak with the media upon returning, but coaches and front-office executives have offered effusive praise in recent days. New defensive coordinator Wade Phillips, never one to hyperbolize, called him “an elite player” with “a great attitude” after practice on Wednesday and said, “I can’t say enough good things about him.” While addressing hundreds of fans during the Rams All-Access event at Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum on Thursday afternoon, COO Kevin Demoff called Donald “the epitome of what you want your players to be.”
“He couldn’t be a better person, human being, leader,” Demoff said. “… There’s a lot of time to get this done, but there’s an urgency on our part because you want to reward players like Aaron.”
Demoff was referring to the fact that Donald has two years remaining on his contract, which makes something like this tricky. Without an extension, Donald would cost just over $10 million towards the cap over these next two seasons. Replacing that with a contract that would rank among the highest for defensive players would significantly increase that figure. It’s why J.J. Watt is the only one among the five highest-paid defensive players to sign his deal two years before free agency — and his six-year, $100 million contract wasn’t agreed to until early September.
The game’s highest-paid defensive player is Denver outside linebacker Von Miller, who signed a six-year, $114.5 million contract with $70 million guaranteed last July. After Miller are a couple of defensive tackles: Ndamukong Suh of the Dolphins (six years, $114.375 million with nearly $60 million guaranteed) and Fletcher Cox of the Eagles (six-year, $102.6 million contract with nearly $63.3 million guaranteed). Fifth on the list is Watt, whose deal was completed in 2014 and is probably no longer an accurate comparison.
“Aaron deserves to be paid among the elite players in our game,” Demoff told fans at the All-Access event. “That’s never been a sticking point for anybody in our organization.”
“When he’s here, he’s a happy guy,” McVay, the Rams’ first-year head coach, said of Donald. “He loves football. He wants to be here, he wants to get something worked out. And I think with respect to his representation, what he’s done for this organization, we’re optimistic that we can come to a deal that’s fair for both. … I think we’re optimistic that something’s going to work out.”
The Rams have been very open about their interest in working something out with Donald, but closed about their desire to extend Johnson.
The sixth-year cornerback is to make $16.742 million under his second consecutive franchise tag, placed on Johnson because the Rams couldn’t afford to lose him and were uncertain about extending him. Snead had expressed a desire to wait until after the offseason program concluded to make sure Johnson was a fit for a Phillips system that asks its cornerbacks to play a lot of man coverage. It’s over now, and he still sounds non-committal.
Asked directly about whether he would explore an extension with Johnson before traning camp, Snead said: “We’re going to continue to sit and discuss — because his situation is based on all the people we have, whether it’s Aaron, Ogeltree, Tru — and navigate those waters.”
Snead nonetheless likes Johnson’s size, which makes him especially effective in press coverage and against the run. McVay believes he “fits in any system,” which Johnson tends to agree with.
“I can play man, I can play off, I can play zone, I can play waterboy,” Johnson said. “I can play anything y’all want to play, man.”
But Johnson would seemingly command a contract similar to the five-year, $69 million deal Desmond Trufant signed with Atlanta this offseason. His high salary for 2017 gives him little incentive to accept much less. But the Rams are also wary of the fact that Johnson hasn’t necessarily performed among the elite cornerbacks in the game.
He is now one of 11 defensive players who are scheduled to be unrestricted free agents at season’s end. And the highest priority in that group is Ogeltree, a captain last season. The Rams have about $4 million in salary-cap space, but are set up to have about $42 million in cap space in 2018, fifth-most in the NFL.
In other words, they have the ability to sign their players long term.
It’s just a matter of making it all work.
“When you have a 53-man roster, you have to be able to juggle a few balls in the air,” Snead said recently. “It’s not just one person; it’s a team. All of those variables we have to work through.”
June 16, 2017 at 10:47 am #70126AgamemnonParticipantGonzalez is actually quite good for the most. This is what Spotrac estimates Trumaine’s value to be.
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Since the Rams were willing to trade him before the draft, he is not a have to do priority.
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The Rams still need to find a couple million just for the cost of doing business in 2017, Practice Squad, Injured Reserve, and counting a full 53 man roster. They have about 4 million. They will need about 5 – 7 million, depending on how many players end up on IR.
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The Rams can do Donald’s contract with messing with the Cap this year or next, if they want to. Ogletree has money to play with, so they could gain money there. Trumaine’s contract would give beyond adequate relief, but how important is he? They couldn’t trade him, but they can bite the bullet and get a comp 3rd for him next year. -
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