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    “…Only 10% of people were aware that more than 90% of climate scientists are convinced that global warming is human-caused. The vast majority of people that answered the survey did not think the climate crisis would directly affect them or their families…”
    Link:http://www.therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3166

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    “…Only 10% of people were aware that more than 90% of climate scientists are convinced that global warming is human-caused. The vast majority of people that answered the survey did not think the climate crisis would directly affect them or their families…”
    Link:http://www.therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3166

    So 90% of people have been living in a friggin’ bubble.

    Of course the majority of the blame for that goes to the media for not stressing the facts of climate change and for being partially complicit in attempts by the fossil fuel industry to cover it up. I say they are complicit because they too often present both sides of the issue as being equally valid when they are not. The evidence says climate change is real so there’s a false equivalency there.

    But we are also a nation of people who can’t think critically and lack intellectual curiosity. I suppose our educational system should be blamed for turning out good little worker bees who don’t question anything. I mean, how else could so many people still think there’s nothing to worry about? At this point how could anyone not know that the vast majority of climate scientists believe the earth is warming? I know that many people have other pressing concerns to deal with but still…only 10% are aware of the consensus about climate change? There’s some willful ignorance at work there.

    A perfect storm caused by corporate greed, a complicit media, our educational system, and our own indifference is forming that is gonna destroy us.

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    “…Only 10% of people were aware that more than 90% of climate scientists are convinced that global warming is human-caused. The vast majority of people that answered the survey did not think the climate crisis would directly affect them or their families…”
    Link:http://www.therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3166

    So 90% of people have been living in a friggin’ bubble.

    Of course the majority of the blame for that goes to the media for not stressing the facts of climate change and for being partially complicit in attempts by the fossil fuel industry to cover it up. I say they are complicit because they too often present both sides of the issue as being equally valid when they are not. The evidence says climate change is real so there’s a false equivalency there.

    But we are also a nation of people who can’t think critically and lack intellectual curiosity. I suppose our educational system should be blamed for turning out good little worker bees who don’t question anything. I mean, how else could so many people still think there’s nothing to worry about? At this point how could anyone not know that the vast majority of climate scientists believe the earth is warming? I know that many people have other pressing concerns to deal with but still…only 10% are aware of the consensus about climate change? There’s some willful ignorance at work there.

    A perfect storm caused by corporate greed, a complicit media, our educational system, and our own indifference is forming that is gonna destroy us.

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    Well i suspect things are pretty complicated. I dont think we can just reduce things down to a number like ten percent or ninety percent etc. I think things are more…oh…’fluid’ than that. Or somethin. I dunno.

    Plus, if your whole entire life depends on working in a coal mine or fracking field etc, it aint gonna be easy to believe in Climate change. Ya know. So much cognitive dissonance in the world. I guess my point is, its not just the corporate media — its corporate capitalism — which creates all these corporate jobs — which then makes it hard for workers to ‘see’ those jobs as biosphere-wreckers. I mean, who wants to feel bad about what they do?

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    I reflect on the educational system’s impact on all of this quite a bit, since it is basically my job to teach critical thinking. So I wonder, how much fault belongs to teachers? How much is the system? How much is the students? And I don’t know.

    What I do know is that I ask students questions that require higher level thinking – evaluation, synthesis, etc. – and few of them answer. I am careful to start with the lower level questions – recall, understanding, etc. – so that I “scaffold,” an education term for making sure all the pieces are understood by the students so that they are in a position to answer the question. And…you know…they just don’t. Largely. Even when they have registered enthusiasm for the topic in question. So it doesn’t seem to be apathy, at least not entirely.

    I do believe that the system tends to numb kids, and dull their love of learning (I would get rid of grades K-8 at least, possibly even k-12 because I think it teaches kids that school is about getting points rather than learning and exploring). But I am inclined to think that teenagers, even bright teenagers, just mostly are not capable (or perhaps mature enough) to engage in critical thinking. There are some. Maybe 10% of the kids I have come through my classes. But most kids just want the answer, and want to parrot.

    And this isn’t unique to our time.

    I am just more and more inclined to believe that critical thinking just isn’t for everybody. I have a lot of friends who seem intelligent, but just aren’t interested in politics, or social issues, environmental issues etc. To them it’s just boring stuff, and both sides do it, and shut up about it already. That kind of thing. They just aren’t interested in engaging.

    I don’t know. I just don’t know. But I tend to think the problem is that for the most part, humans just don’t want to struggle mentally, physically, or emotionally.

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    Surveys of scientists’ views on climate change

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Surveys of scientists’ views on climate change – with a focus on human-caused or anthropogenic global warming (AGW) – have been undertaken since the 1990s.[1] A 2016 paper (which was co-authored by Naomi Oreskes, Peter Doran, William Anderegg, Bart Verheggen, Ed Maibach, J. Stuart Carlton and John Cook, and which was based on a half a dozen independent studies by the authors) concluded that “the finding of 97% consensus [that humans are causing recent global warming] in published climate research is robust and consistent with other surveys of climate scientists and peer-reviewed studies.”[2]

    Verheggen et al., 2014
    In 2014, Bart Verheggen of the Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency surveyed 1,868 climate scientists. They found that, consistent with other research, the level of agreement on anthropogenic causation correlated with expertise – 90% of those surveyed with more than 10 peer-reviewed papers related to climate (just under half of survey respondents) explicitly agreed that human production of greenhouse gases was the main cause of global warming.[3]

    Powell, 2013
    James L. Powell, a former member of the National Science Board and current executive director of the National Physical Science Consortium,[4] analyzed published research on global warming and climate change between 1991 and 2012 and found that of the 13,950 articles in peer-reviewed journals, only 24 rejected anthropogenic global warming.[5][6][7][8] This was a follow-up to an analysis looking at 2,258 peer-reviewed articles published between November 2012 and December 2013 revealed that only one of the 9,136 authors rejected anthropogenic global warming.[9][10][11]

    John Cook et al., 2013
    Cook et al. examined 11,944 abstracts from the peer-reviewed scientific literature from 1991–2011 that matched the topics ‘global climate change’ or ‘global warming’.[12] They found that, while 66.4% of them expressed no position on anthropogenic global warming (AGW), of those that did, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are contributing to global warming. They also invited authors to rate their own papers and found that, while 35.5% rated their paper as expressing no position on AGW, 97.2% of the rest endorsed the consensus. In both cases the percentage of endorsements among papers expressing a position was marginally increasing over time. They concluded that the number of papers actually rejecting the consensus on AGW is a vanishingly small proportion of the published research.[12]

    In their discussion of the results in 2007, the authors said that the large proportion of abstracts that state no position on AGW is as expected in a consensus situation,[13] adding that “the fundamental science of AGW is no longer controversial among the publishing science community and the remaining debate in the field has moved on to other topics.”[12]

    In Science & Education in August 2013 David Legates and three coauthors reviewed the corpus used by Cook et al. In their assessment, “inspection of a claim by Cook et al. (Environ Res Lett 8:024024, 2013) of 97.1% consensus, heavily relied upon by Bedford and Cook, shows just 0.3% endorsement of the standard definition of consensus: that most warming since 1950 is anthropogenic.”

    However, as the paper took issue in the definition of consensus, the definition of consensus was split into several levels: In the end, of all the abstracts that took a position on the subject, 22.97% and 72.50% were found to take an explicit but unquantified endorsement position or an implicit endorsement position, respectively. The 0.3% figure represents abstracts taking a position of “Actually endorsing the standard definition” of all the abstracts (1.02% of all position-taking abstracts), where the “standard definition” was juxtaposed with an “unquantified definition” drawn from the 2013 Cook et al. paper as follows:

    The unquantified definition: “The consensus position that humans are causing global warming”
    The standard definition: As stated in their introduction, that “human activity is very likely causing most of the current warming (anthropogenic global warming, or AGW)”
    Criticism was also made to the “arbitrary” exclusion of non-position-taking abstracts as well as other issues of definitions. [14]

    Craig Idso, Nicola Scafetta, Nir J. Shaviv and Nils-Axel Mörner, who question the consensus, were cited in a Wall Street Journal article by Joseph Bast and Roy Spencer disputing the 97% figure, as climate scientists who assert that Cook misrepresented their work.[15]

    Climate economist Richard Tol has also been a persistent critic of the Cook et al. paper, arguing that the authors “used an unrepresentative sample, left out much useful data, used biased observers who disagreed with the authors of the papers they were classifying nearly two-thirds of the time, and collected and analysed the data in such a way as to allow the authors to adjust their preliminary conclusions as they went along”.[16] Cook et al. replied to Tol’s criticisms, pointing out that “the 97% consensus has passed peer-review, while Tol’s criticisms have not”.[17]

    A new paper[18] by Rasmus E. Benestad, Dana Nuccitelli, Stephan Lewandowsky, Katharine Hayhoe, Hans Olav Hygen, Rob van Dorland, and John Cook examined the quality of the 3% of peer-reviewed papers discovered by this work to reject the consensus view. They discovered that “replication reveals a number of methodological flaws, and a pattern of common mistakes emerges that is not visible when looking at single isolated cases”.

    Lefsrud and Meyer, 2012
    Lefsrud and Meyer surveyed members of the Association of Professional Engineers and Geoscientists of Alberta (APEGA), a professional association for the petroleum industry in Alberta. The aims of the study included examining the respondents’ “legitimation of themselves as experts on ‘the truth’, and their attitudes towards regulatory measures.”[19] Writing later, the authors added, “we surveyed engineers and geologists because their professions dominate the oil industry and their views on climate change influence the positions taken by governments, think tanks and environmental groups.”[20]

    The authors found that 99.4% agreed that the global climate is changing but that “the debate of the causes of climate change is particularly virulent among them.” Analyzing their responses, the authors labelled 36% of respondents ‘comply with Kyoto’, as “they express the strong belief that climate change is happening, that it is not a normal cycle of nature, and humans are the main or central cause.”[19] ‘Regulation activists’ (10%) “diagnose climate change as being both human- and naturally caused, posing a moderate public risk, with only slight impact on their personal life.” Skeptical of anthropogenic warming (sum 51%) they labelled ‘nature is overwhelming’ (24%), ‘economic responsibility’ (10%), and ‘fatalists’ (17%). Respondents giving these responses disagreed in various ways with mainstream scientific opinion on climate change, expressing views such as that climate change is ‘natural’, that its causes are unknown, that it is harmless, or that regulation such as that represented by Kyoto Protocol is in itself harmful.[19]

    They found that respondents that support regulation (46%) (‘comply with Kyoto’ and ‘regulation activists’) were “significantly more likely to be lower in the organizational hierarchy, younger, female, and working in government”, while those that oppose regulation (‘nature is overwhelming’ and ‘economic responsibility’) were “significantly more likely to be more senior in their organizations, male, older, geoscientists, and work in the oil and gas industry”.[19] Discussing the study in 2013, the authors ask if such political divisions distract decision-makers from confronting the risk that climate change presents to businesses and the economy.[20]

    Last updated 2012
    Farnsworth and Lichter, 2011
    In an October 2011 paper published in the International Journal of Public Opinion Research, researchers from George Mason University analyzed the results of a survey of 998 scientists working in academia, government, and industry. The scientists polled were members of the American Geophysical Union or the American Meteorological Society (AMS) and listed in the 23rd edition of American Men and Women of Science (AGU), a biographical reference work on leading American scientists, and 489 returned completed questionnaires. Of those who replied, 97% agreed that global temperatures have risen over the past century. 84% agreed that “human-induced greenhouse warming is now occurring,” 5% disagreed, and 12% didn’t know.[21][22]

    When asked “What do you think is the % probability of human-induced global warming raising global average temperatures by two degrees Celsius or more during the next 50 to 100 years?’’: 19% of respondents answered less than 50% probability, 56% said over 50%, and 26% didn’t know.[22]

    When asked what they regard as “the likely effects of global climate change in the next 50 to 100 years,” on a scale of 1 to 10, from Trivial to Catastrophic: 13% of respondents replied 1 to 3 (trivial/mild), 44% replied 4 to 7 (moderate), 41% replied 8 to 10 (severe/catastrophic), and 2% didn’t know.[22]

    Anderegg, Prall, Harold, and Schneider, 2010

    By Cook 2011 based on Doran 2009 and Anderegg 2010 studies. 97–98% of the most published climate researchers say humans are very likely causing most global warming.[23] In another study 97.4% of publishing specialists in climate change say that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.[24]
    Anderegg et al., in a 2010 paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America (PNAS), reviewed publication and citation data for 1,372 climate researchers, based on authorship of scientific assessment reports and membership on multisignatory statements about anthropogenic climate change. The number of climate-relevant publications authored or coauthored by each researcher was used to define their ‘expertise’, and the number of citations for each of the researcher’s four highest-cited papers was used to define their ‘prominence’. Removing researchers who had authored fewer than 20 climate publications reduced the database to 908 researchers but did not materially alter the results. The authors of the paper say that their database of researchers “is not comprehensive nor designed to be representative of the entire climate science community,” but say that since they drew the researchers from the most high-profile reports and public statements, it is likely that it represents the “strongest and most credentialed” researchers both ‘convinced by the evidence’ (CE) and ‘unconvinced by the evidence’ (UE) on the tenets of anthropogenic climate change.[23][25]

    Anderegg et al. drew the following two conclusions:

    (i) 97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field surveyed here support the tenets of ACC (Anthropogenic Climate Change) outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers.[23]

    Doran and Kendall Zimmerman, 2009
    This paper is an abridged version of the Zimmerman 2008 MS thesis; the full methods are in the MS thesis.[26] A web-based poll performed by Peter Doran and Maggie Kendall Zimmerman of the Earth and Environmental Sciences department, University of Illinois at Chicago received replies from 3,146 of the 10,257 polled Earth scientists. The survey was designed to take less than two minutes to complete. Results were analyzed globally and by specialization. Among all respondents, 90% agreed that temperatures had generally risen compared to pre-1800 levels, and 82% agreed that humans significantly influence the global temperature. 76 out of the 79 respondents who “listed climate science as their area of expertise, and who also have published more than 50% of their recent peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change”, thought that mean global temperatures had risen compared to pre-1800s levels. Of those 79 scientists, 75 out of the 77 answered that human activity was a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures, a sample size which would result in a margin of error of 11 percentage points. The remaining two were not asked, because in question one they responded that temperatures had remained relatively constant. Economic geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 percent and 64 percent respectively thinking that human activity was a significant contributing factor. In summary, Doran and Zimmerman wrote:

    It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes.[24]

    Bray and von Storch, 2008
    Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch, of the Institute for Coastal Research at the Helmholtz Research Centre in Germany, conducted an online survey in August 2008, of 2,059 climate scientists from 34 different countries, the third survey on this topic by these authors.[27] A web link with a unique identifier was given to each respondent to eliminate multiple responses. A total of 375 responses were received giving an overall response rate of 18%. The climate change consensus results were published by Bray,[28] and another paper has also been published based on the survey.[29]

    The survey was composed of 76 questions split into a number of sections. There were sections on the demographics of the respondents, their assessment of the state of climate science, how good the science is, climate change impacts, adaptation and mitigation, their opinion of the IPCC, and how well climate science was being communicated to the public. Most of the answers were on a scale from 1 to 7 from ‘not at all’ to ‘very much’.[27]

    In the section on climate change impacts, questions 20 and 21 were relevant to scientific opinion on climate change. Question 20, “How convinced are you that climate change, whether natural or anthropogenic, is occurring now?” Answers: 67.1% very much convinced (7), 26.7% to some large extent (5–6), 6.2% said to some small extent (2–4), none said not at all. Question 21, “How convinced are you that most of recent or near future climate change is, or will be, a result of anthropogenic causes?” Answers: 34.6% very much convinced (7), 48.9% being convinced to a large extent (5–6), 15.1% to a small extent (2–4), and 1.35% not convinced at all (1).[27]

    STATS, 2007
    In 2007, Harris Interactive surveyed 489 randomly selected members of either the American Meteorological Society or the American Geophysical Union for the Statistical Assessment Service (STATS) at George Mason University. The survey found 97% agreed that global temperatures have increased during the past 100 years; 84% say they personally believe human-induced warming is occurring, and 74% agree that “currently available scientific evidence” substantiates its occurrence. Only 5% believe that human activity does not contribute to greenhouse warming; 41% say they thought the effects of global warming would be near catastrophic over the next 50–100 years; 44% say said effects would be moderately dangerous; 13% saw relatively little danger; 56% say global climate change is a mature science; 39% say it is an emerging science.[30][31]

    Oreskes, 2004
    A 2004 article by geologist and historian of science Naomi Oreskes summarized a study of the scientific literature on climate change.[32] The essay concluded that there is a scientific consensus on the reality of anthropogenic climate change. The author analyzed 928 abstracts of papers from refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003, listed with the keywords “global climate change”. Oreskes divided the abstracts into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. 75% of the abstracts were placed in the first three categories, thus either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, thus taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change; none of the abstracts disagreed with the consensus position, which the author found to be “remarkable”. According to the report, “authors evaluating impacts, developing methods, or studying paleoclimatic change might believe that current climate change is natural. However, none of these papers argued that point.”

    Early 2000s
    In 2003, Bray and von Storch conducted a survey of the perspectives of climate scientists on global climate change.[33] The survey received 530 responses from 27 different countries. The 2003 survey has been strongly criticized on the grounds that it was performed on the web with no means to verify that the respondents were climate scientists or to prevent multiple submissions. The survey required entry of a username and password, but the username and password were circulated to a climate skeptics mailing list and elsewhere on the internet.[citation needed] Bray and von Storch defended their results and accused climate change skeptics of interpreting the results with bias. Bray’s submission to Science on December 22, 2004 was rejected.[citation needed]

    One of the questions asked in the survey was “To what extent do you agree or disagree that climate change is mostly the result of anthropogenic causes?”, with a value of 1 indicating strongly agree and a value of 7 indicating strongly disagree.[34] The results showed a mean of 3.62, with 50 responses (9.4%) indicating “strongly agree” and 54 responses (9.7%) indicating “strongly disagree”. The same survey indicates a 72% to 20% endorsement of the IPCC reports as accurate, and a 15% to 80% rejection of the thesis that “there is enough uncertainty about the phenomenon of global warming that there is no need for immediate policy decisions.”[citation needed]

    1990s
    In 1997, the conservative think tank Citizens for a Sound Economy surveyed America’s 48 state climatologists on questions related to climate change.[35] Of the 36 respondents, 44% considered global warming to be a largely natural phenomenon, compared to 17% who considered warming to be largely man-made. 89% agreed that “current science is unable to isolate and measure variations in global temperatures caused ONLY by man-made factors,” and 61% said that historical data do not indicate “that fluctuations in global temperatures are attributable to human influences such as burning fossil fuels”, though the time scale for the next glacial period was not specified.
    In 1996, Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch undertook a survey of climate scientists on attitudes towards global warming and related matters. The results were subsequently published in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society.[1] The paper addressed the views of climate scientists, with a response rate of 40% from a mail survey questionnaire to 1000 scientists in Germany, the United States and Canada. Most of the scientists accepted that global warming was occurring and appropriate policy action should be taken, but there was wide disagreement about the likely effects on society and almost all agreed that the predictive ability of currently existing models was limited. On a scale of 1 (highest confidence) to 7 (lowest confidence) regarding belief in the ability to make “reasonable predictions” the mean was 4.8 and 5.2 for 10- and 100-year predictions, respectively. On the question of whether global warming is occurring or will occur, the mean response was 3.3, and for future prospects of warming the mean was 2.6.
    A Gallup poll of 400 members of the American Geophysical Union and the American Meteorological Society along with an analysis of reporting on global warming by the Center for Media and Public Affairs, a report on which was issued in 1992. Accounts of the results of that survey differ in their interpretation and even in the basic statistical percentages:
    Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting states that the report said that 67% of the scientists said that human-induced global warming was occurring, with 11% disagreeing and the rest undecided.[36]
    George Will reported “53 percent do not believe warming has occurred, and another 30 percent are uncertain.” (Washington Post, September 3, 1992). In a correction Gallup stated: “Most scientists involved in research in this area believe that human-induced global warming is occurring now.”[37]
    Stewart, T. R.,[38] Mumpower, J. L., and Reagan-Cirincione, P. (1992). Scientists’ opinions about global climate change: Summary of the results of a survey. NAEP (National Association of Environmental Professionals) Newsletter, 17(2), 6-7.
    In 1991, the Center for Science, Technology, and Media conducted a survey of 118 scientists regarding views on the climate change.[39] Analysis by the authors of the respondents projections of warming and agreement with statements about warming resulted in them categorizing response in 3 “clusters”: 13 (15%) expressing skepticism of the 1990 IPCC estimate, 39 (44%) expressing uncertainty with the IPCC estimate, and 37 (42%) agreeing with the IPCC estimate.
    Global Environmental Change Report, 1990: GECR climate survey shows strong agreement on action, less so on warming. Global Environmental Change Report 2, No. 9, pp. 1–3

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    #69679
    waterfield
    Participant

    I reflect on the educational system’s impact on all of this quite a bit, since it is basically my job to teach critical thinking. So I wonder, how much fault belongs to teachers? How much is the system? How much is the students? And I don’t know.

    What I do know is that I ask students questions that require higher level thinking – evaluation, synthesis, etc. – and few of them answer. I am careful to start with the lower level questions – recall, understanding, etc. – so that I “scaffold,” an education term for making sure all the pieces are understood by the students so that they are in a position to answer the question. And…you know…they just don’t. Largely. Even when they have registered enthusiasm for the topic in question. So it doesn’t seem to be apathy, at least not entirely.

    I do believe that the system tends to numb kids, and dull their love of learning (I would get rid of grades K-8 at least, possibly even k-12 because I think it teaches kids that school is about getting points rather than learning and exploring). But I am inclined to think that teenagers, even bright teenagers, just mostly are not capable (or perhaps mature enough) to engage in critical thinking. There are some. Maybe 10% of the kids I have come through my classes. But most kids just want the answer, and want to parrot.

    And this isn’t unique to our time.

    I am just more and more inclined to believe that critical thinking just isn’t for everybody. I have a lot of friends who seem intelligent, but just aren’t interested in politics, or social issues, environmental issues etc. To them it’s just boring stuff, and both sides do it, and shut up about it already. That kind of thing. They just aren’t interested in engaging.

    I don’t know. I just don’t know. But I tend to think the problem is that for the most part, humans just don’t want to struggle mentally, physically, or emotionally.

    I think there is a solid reason for why we struggle with critical thinking. IMO over the years our ability to stay focused on a subject has become shorter and shorter caused by our own form of entertainment. I read an article some time ago in a Hollywood magazine that said the change in film sequences have gotten much shorter than the movies in the 40s and 50s. Meaning watching a movie then meant you stayed in a scene longer than today. Not too long ago my wife and I watched the HBO series “Big Little Lies” (highly recommended). Most scenes were short lived and the camera jumped from angle to angle and then to another subject-except one scene where Nicole Kidman is in a session with a marriage counselor. it lasted far longer than any of the other scenes. We saw this same scene with different people in our home and to a person the scene with the marriage counselor -where the camera does not change for a lengthy period of time-they became fidgety and some even said it was getting late and needed to go home, etc.

    Anyway that’s my own personal research on this subject. But I know for so many people today they need quickness in their lives and to study a subject or even read an editorial takes much longer time than the quick fast paced entertainment we’re used to. We are becoming hard wired to answers that come to us quickly or we become bored and that’s not a good feeling. We want the simple quick answer to things. Its not a lack of intelligence but more an aversion to anything resembling detailed focus. We see it in smart phones, comedy shows, Fox news, IT stuff, big screen films, etc.

    And we even see it in the President. (i.e. don’t give me an analysis-just give me the answer) As our internet technology increasingly invades our private lives we seem to be losing our ability to delve into something to truly understand it. How many students in law school actually read the cases as opposed to a shortened cliff note summary. How many people find joy in simply going to a library.

    No I don’t think its our educational system. Out attention span has simply lost its appeal. IMO we have become wired by technology to boredom when it comes to critical analysis. Who wants to “work” at analysis?

    #69683
    PA Ram
    Participant

    I think there is a solid reason for why we struggle with critical thinking. IMO over the years our ability to stay focused on a subject has become shorter and shorter caused by our own form of entertainment. I read an article some time ago in a Hollywood magazine that said the change in film sequences have gotten much shorter than the movies in the 40s and 50s. Meaning watching a movie then meant you stayed in a scene longer than today. Not too long ago my wife and I watched the HBO series “Big Little Lies” (highly recommended). Most scenes were short lived and the camera jumped from angle to angle and then to another subject-except one scene where Nicole Kidman is in a session with a marriage counselor. it lasted far longer than any of the other scenes. We saw this same scene with different people in our home and to a person the scene with the marriage counselor -where the camera does not change for a lengthy period of time-they became fidgety and some even said it was getting late and needed to go home, etc.

    I think there is something to this. I even notice it in myself. I still love reading books, novels, etc. But I don’t seem to have the patience if it isn’t something that grips me and holds me. I have trouble staying with something that seems to be slow. I am on twitter a lot these days looking for quick bits of information. I don’t spend as much time diving into an internet rabbit hole of articles on a particular subject. I had more patience for those things years ago. I don’t know if it’s just getting older or if it’s the social media, modern media effect. But I do notice it. And I know a LOT of people who are in shallower water than I am.

    I think the internet flood of information age has affected us and it is not all positive.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #69684
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    Haven’t all those “quick interest” media and technology issues also happened in Europe and Japan? So if all that impacts brains, why not theirs?

    And yet this is the country that denies climate change.

    I think maybe the main issue is that this is a country where the wealthy have enough political power to influence the messsages we get.

    You know, like Russia.

    ….

    #69689
    waterfield
    Participant

    “And yet this is the country that denies climate change”

    I doubt anyone anymore realistically denies climate change. The Republicans even know that the earth is warming and in large part caused by fossil fuels. Even major oil companies are now in agreement. What the Republicans are selling is that the gains that can be made by curtailing fossil fuels are minor compared to the resulting economic losses. they look at it as a simple cost benefit analysis. But this is a different subject then why is our attention span declining over the years and how does IT play into that.

    #69695
    Avatar photonittany ram
    Moderator

    What the Republicans are selling is that the gains that can be made by curtailing fossil fuels are minor compared to the resulting economic losses. they look at it as a simple cost benefit analysis.

    You may be right that that’s what many of them believe but they don’t say it. They either say Climate Change is not happening, or there isn’t enough proof that it’s happening, or if it is happening it’s part of a natural cycle, or that it’s a hoax.

    I’d actually have more respect for them if they did come out and say what you described. At least then they wouldn’t be denying the evidence. But they need to reexamine their cost benefit model, because climate change isn’t just going to be a slight inconvenience. It will be catastrophic and I doubt the economy will simply adapt to it.

    And combating Climate Change doesn’t have to cost jobs. It can create jobs as well but they will have to be willing to let some old jobs go. This means a shift away from fossil fuels but that’s the industry the Republicans most vigorously protect.

    #69699
    Avatar photoZooey
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    #69700
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    “And yet this is the country that denies climate change”

    I doubt anyone anymore realistically denies climate change.

    It’s just shorthand. When I say “denies climate change” it always only means “human caused and progressing because of human actions.” As I said, shorthand. I figure when I am here I don’t have to literally spell that out every post.

    #69736
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    “…Only 10% of people were aware that more than 90% of climate scientists are convinced that global warming is human-caused. The vast majority of people that answered the survey did not think the climate crisis would directly affect them or their families…”

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