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  • #69185
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    At about the 7:30 mark, the topic of ‘die-off’ is discussed:
    human die-off:http://www.conversationearth.org/everything-about-population-ryerson-213/

    #69186
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    Water.

    3 biggest grain producers pumping away their aquifers.

    #69193
    PA Ram
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    It’s hard not to think the human race is doomed on so many levels.

    And in these dark times? It feels like the clock is speeding up.

    When I think about this sort of thing I always think about that scale which discusses advanced civilizations and the theory as to why we can’t find any is because they ultimately destroy themselves before they are able to achieve the sort of technological breakthroughs needed to travel the stars.

    Would ALL civilizations that reach any sort of higher intelligence self-destruct? Would there always be different factions fighting one another for control of resources or wealth?

    Is that some sort of universal constant that is a side effect of intelligence?

    Maybe all intelligent life is doomed from the start. The universe does not seem to be flooded with life. And we don’t even know with certainty that there is life anywhere else. We think there almost HAS to be… or that at least there was at some time. But we don’t know. Maybe something in our “intelligence” is hard wired to fail because the universe doesn’t want or need us.

    One thing we know to be true. Nature is all about survival of the fittest.

    As a form of matter, humans would hardly be the “fittest” in this universe compared to something like a star.

    When you take the idea of “survival of the fittest” and expand it to the universe–the human “accident” is just a flicker on the scale of time–barely registering.

    So what is human potential? Is it dead before it really starts?

    Or are we simply blowing it by not finding ways to cooperate for the benefit of the planet and the human race?

    Ultimately, I guess, the question becomes–is it our own fault or is it all inevitable?

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

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    When I think about this sort of thing I always think about that scale which discusses advanced civilizations and the theory as to why we can’t find any is because they ultimately destroy themselves before they are able to achieve the sort of technological breakthroughs needed to travel the stars.

    Well, the reason we can’t find any other advanced civilizations probably has more to do with our limited ability to sample the universe than anything else. The vast distances and all that. However, there is no guarantee there are other highly intelligent life forms out there. At least from an evolutionary standpoint, intelligence doesn’t seem tonbe all that adaptive. If it was we’d see more species with it. Other hominid groups could have developed it as easily as the group that led to us. Of course it could be self-limiting – just not enough room on this planet for multiple civilization capable species.

    I don’t think all highly intelligent species are ultimately doomed though. I could see a quality like altruism arising to dominate a hypothetical civilization in the same way competition dominates ours.

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