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May 20, 2017 at 6:32 am #69081wvParticipant
Just a, fwiw, kind of article.
ps: Amy Goodman, (who makes a million dollars a year, and whose show is funded by Soros) has come under criticism from the far-left for her coverage of Libya and now Syria.
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CIA Consultant:http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/30/meet-professor-juan-cole-consultant-to-the-cia/from 2011
see link “…It hit this listener like a ton of bricks when it was disclosed in Goodman’s interview that Cole was a long time “consultant” for the CIA, the National Intelligence Council and other agencies. Here is what nearly caused me to keel over when I heard it (From the Democracy Now transcript.):
AMY GOODMAN: So, did you know Professor Cole or know of him at the time you were asked? And can you go on from there? What happened when you said you wouldn’t do this? And who was it who demanded this information from you, said that you should get information?
GLENN CARLE: Well, I did know Professor Cole. He was one of a large number of experts of diverse views that the National Intelligence Council and my office and the CIA respectively consult with to challenge our assumptions and understand the trends and issues on our various portfolios. So I knew him that way. And it was sensible, in that sense, that the White House turned to my office to inquire about him, because we were the ones, at least one of the ones—I don’t know all of Mr. Cole’s work—who had consulted with him. (Emphases mine.)
That seems like strange toil for a man of the “left.” But were the consultations long drawn out and the association with the CIA a deep one? It would appear so. Again from the transcript:
AMY GOODMAN: Well, the way James Risen (the NYT reporter) writes it, he says, “Mr. Carle said [that] sometime that year, he was approached by his supervisor, David Low, about Professor Cole. [Mr.] Low and [Mr.] Carle have starkly different recollections of what happened. According to Mr. Carle, [Mr.] Low returned from a White House meeting one day and inquired who Juan Cole was, making clear [that] he wanted [Mr.] Carle to gather information on him. Mr. Carle recalled [his] boss saying, ‘The White House wants to get him.’”
GLENN CARLE: Well, that’s substantially correct. The one nuance, perhaps, I would point out is there’s a difference between collecting information actively, going out and running an operation, say, to find out things about Mr. Cole, or providing information known through interactions. (Emphasis mine.) I would characterize it more as the latter.
And later in the interview Carle continues:
On the whole, Professor Cole and I are in agreement. The distinction I make is it wasn’t publicly known information that was requested; it was information that officers knew of a personal nature about Professor Cole, which is much more disturbing. There was no direct request that I’m aware, in the two instances of which I have knowledge, for the officers actively to seek and obtain, to conduct—for me to go out and follow Professor Cole. But if I knew lifestyle questions or so on, to pass those along. (Emphasis mine.)That’s how I—which is totally unacceptable.
It would seem then that the interaction between the CIA operatives and Cole was long standing and sufficiently intimate that the CIA spooks could be expected to know things about Cole’s lifestyle and personal life. It is not that anyone should give two figs about Cole’s personal life which is more than likely is every bit as boring as he claims. But his relationship with the CIA is of interest since he is an unreconstructed hawk. What was remarkable to me at the time is that Goodman did not pick up on any of this. Did she know before of Cole’s connections? Was not this the wrong man to have as a “frequent guest,” in Goodman’s words, on the situation in the Middle East?
This is not to claim that Cole is on a mission for the CIA to convince the left to support the imperial wars, most notably at the moment the war on Libya. Nor is this a claim that the revelation about the White House seeking information on Cole was a contrived psyops effort to rehabilitate Cole so that he could continue such a mission. That cannot be claimed, because there is as yet no evidence for it. But information flows two ways in any consultation, and it is even possible that Cole was being loaded with war-friendly information in hopes he would transmit it.
Cole is anxious to promote himself as a man of the left as he spins out his rationale for the war on Libya. At one point he says to Goodman (3/29), “We are people of the left. We care about the ordinary people. We care about workers.” It is strange that a man who claims such views dismisses as irrelevant the progress that has come to the people of Libya under Gaddafi, dictator or not. (Indeed what brought Gaddafi down was not that he was a dictator but that he was not our dictator.) In fact Libya has the highest score of all African countries on the UN’s Human Development Index (HDI) and with Tunisia and Morocco the second highest level of literacy. The HDI is a comparative measure of life expectancy, literacy, education and standards of living for countries worldwide.
Whither the Left on the Question of Intervention?
None of this is all too surprising given Cole’s status as a “humanitarian” hawk. But it is outrageous that he is so often called on by Democracy Now for his opinion. One of his appearances there was….”
May 20, 2017 at 12:51 pm #69096znModeratorWell, I did know Professor Cole. He was one of a large number of experts of diverse views that the National Intelligence Council and my office and the CIA respectively consult with to challenge our assumptions and understand the trends and issues on our various portfolios.
Good. Good intel depends on things like that. And good policy requires knowledge.
I also know that Cole was under attack by the BUsh administration.
To me you always have to make distinctions. It’s not a cartoon. Understanding the CIA also means understanding that there are genuine pure analysts in their various sub-factions and that we want those people reaching out for the best sources to be actually informed.
To me tarring people with a broad brush serves no purpose and is actually what our right-wing opponents do.
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May 20, 2017 at 3:42 pm #69101wvParticipantWell, I did know Professor Cole. He was one of a large number of experts of diverse views that the National Intelligence Council and my office and the CIA respectively consult with to challenge our assumptions and understand the trends and issues on our various portfolios.
Good. Good intel depends on things like that. And good policy requires knowledge.
I also know that Cole was under attack by the BUsh administration.
To me you always have to make distinctions. It’s not a cartoon. Understanding the CIA also means understanding that there are genuine pure analysts in their various sub-factions and that we want those people reaching out for the best sources to be actually informed.
To me tarring people with a broad brush serves no purpose and is actually what our right-wing opponents do.
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Since when is adding accurate info about someone ‘tarring’ them?Cole has worked with the CIA. Thats something i didnt know. Its very interesting to me. Its true. Its accurate. Has nothing to do with ‘cartoons’ or ‘tarring’.
And yes the Bushies dont like him. That just means he’s not a rightwinger to me. But what is he?
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vMay 20, 2017 at 3:47 pm #69103znModeratorBut what is he?
A first-rate independent scholar who speaks for progressive causes.
And there was tarring…innuendo, accusation, conspiracy theory…right here for example:
But information flows two ways in any consultation, and it is even possible that Cole was being loaded with war-friendly information in hopes he would transmit it. Cole is anxious to promote himself as a man of the left as he spins out his rationale for the war on Libya. At one point he says to Goodman (3/29), “We are people of the left. We care about the ordinary people. We care about workers.” It is strange that a man who claims such views dismisses as irrelevant the progress that has come to the people of Libya under Gaddafi, dictator or not.
That’s a smear albeit an understated one. I found it hard to read with a straight face. I thought I was reading Rush Limbaugh in a sly mood, just a different spectrum of him.
May 20, 2017 at 10:04 pm #69112znModeratorActually Cole responded to Walsh fwiw.
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Qaddafi was a CIA Asset
Juan Cole
https://www.juancole.com/2011/09/qaddafi-was-a-cia-asset.html
Human Rights Watch found documents in Libya after the fall of Muammar Qaddafi that it passed on to the Wall Street Journal, which is analyzing them. The WSJ reported today that the documents show that Qaddafi developed so warm a relationship with George W. Bush that Bush sent people he had kidnapped (“rendition”) to Libya to be “questioned” by Libya’s goons, and almost certainly to be tortured. The formal paperwork asked Libya to observe human rights, but Bush’s office also sent over a list of specific questions it wanted the Libyan interrogators to ask. Qaddafi also gave permission to the CIA from 2004 to establish a formal presence in the country.
Qaddafi had been on the outs with the West for decades, but was rehabilitated once he gave up his ‘weapons of mass destruction’ programs (Qaddafi had no unconventional weapons, and no obvious ability to develop them, so his turning over to Bush of a few rotting diagrams that had been buried was hardly a big deal).
I have been going blue in the face pointing out that Muammar Qaddafi is not a progressive person, and that in fact his regime was in its last decades a helpmeet to the international status quo powers.
Now it turns out that Qaddafi was hand in glove with Bush regarding “interrogation” of the prisoners sent him from Washington.
Alexander Cockburn’s outfit has been trying to smear me by suggesting that I had some sort of relationship with the CIA, when all I ever did was give talks in Washington at think tanks to which analysts came to listen; when you speak to the public you speak to all kinds of people. I never was a direct consultant and never had a contract or employment with the agency itself. I spoke to a wide range of USG personnel in those talks in Washington in the Bush years, including the State Department, the Drug Enforcement Agency, and even local police officers, and the intelligence analysts were just part of the audience.
In fact, we now know that the Bush administration was upset that I was given a hearing in Washington and was influential with the analysts, and asked the CIA to spy on me and attempt to destroy my reputation.
So how delicious is it that those who supported Qaddafi, or opposed practical steps to keep him from slaughtering the protest movement (such as A. Cockburn and his hatchet man John Walsh), were de facto allies of the CIA themselves– and not just allies of the analysts, who try to understand the intelligence, but allies of the guys doing “rendition,” i.e. kidnapping suspects off the street and having them “interrogated.”May 21, 2017 at 7:26 am #69118wvParticipantInteresting. Interesting stuff from Mr Cole. One of the problems with even HAVING a secret police agency as large and powerful as the CIA is — how do we ever know what to believe ? I mean if Cole ‘was’ connected to the CIA would he admit it? How would we know? How would we know whether Human Rights Watch is free of CIA-influence? How do we know which NYTimes editors/reporters are free of cia-influence? Etc. Just ‘having’ a CIA makes it hard for ‘me’ to know whats true and whats not.
At any rate, i found this Cole comment interesting: “…we now know that the Bush administration was upset that I was given a hearing in Washington and was influential with the analysts, and asked the CIA to spy on me and attempt to destroy my reputation.”
First how would Cole know something like that? That the CIA was asked to spy on him? And did they? And who else do they spy on? Editors? Journalists? Activists? Etc, etc, etc.
And why is having a secret-spy-agency a good thing?
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vMay 21, 2017 at 9:30 am #69120znModerator? I mean if Cole ‘was’ connected to the CIA would he admit it?
Well, I dunno…if he WERE connected he would be a consultant. That;s basically academic. Why wouldn’t he admit that? In fact he makes that distinction in the article. There’s the analyst side, and the ops side, and he pointed out that Kaddafi was actually connected to the ops side. And why would you be a consultant? Because if you believe you have genuinely powerful views the way a dedicated expert does, you want that passed on. But then you wouldn’t be telling CIA analysts anything you wouldn’t also be putting in your own writing.
Everyone knows that about Cole being attacked by the Bush administration. I have already mentioned it myself in this thread. It’s even on his wiki page and was public news back when it happened. Your article that starts this thread even mentions it. Cole knows because it was reported. From the wiki:
CIA harassment allegations
In 2011, James Risen reported in The New York Times that, “Glenn L. Carle, a former Central Intelligence Agency officer who was a top counterterrorism official during the administration of President George W. Bush, said the White House at least twice asked intelligence officials to gather sensitive information” on Cole “in order to discredit him”. “In an interview, Mr. Carle said his supervisor at the National Intelligence Council told him in 2005 that White House officials wanted ‘to get’ Professor Cole, and made clear that he wanted Mr. Carle to collect information about him, an effort Mr. Carle rebuffed. Months later, Mr. Carle said, he confronted a C.I.A. official after learning of another attempt to collect information about Professor Cole. Mr. Carle said he contended at the time that such actions would have been unlawful.” -
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