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May 6, 2017 at 11:53 pm #68459
znModeratorRams mailbag: Draft analysis, McVay-Snead, salary cap and podcast requests
Gary Klein
http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-mailbag-20170505-story,amp.html
The Rams are preparing to welcome new players at next week’s rookie minicamp.
Eight draftees — tight end Gerald Everett, receivers Cooper Kupp and Josh Reynolds, fullback Sam Rogers, defensive lineman Tanzel Smart, linebackers Samson Ebukam and Ejuan Price and safety John Johnson — and more than a dozen undrafted free agents are scheduled to participate.
Now, on to your questions. Keep them coming at @latimesklein or gary.klein@latimes.com.
Based on the Draft, What was the biggest difference or take away u see bw Fisher/Snead vs Snead/McVay approach to player acquisition?
It’s too early to make any sweeping judgments about differences. The sample size with Snead/McVay is too small.
But it’s probably not a coincidence that players linked closely to former coach Jeff Fisher — receiver Kenny Britt, tight end Lance Kendricks and tight end William Hayes and Eugene Sims — are no longer on the roster.
In free agency, Snead/McVay identified a glaring need at left tackle and went out and signed a proven and expensive veteran in Andrew Whitworth. They did not pay for receiver Pierre Garcon, but acquired Robert Woods.
Clearly, McVay identified specific needs for his offense and Snead and the scouting department tried to accommodate him. It was not a surprise that the Rams drafted a tight end with their first pick. McVay’s offense is tight-end heavy.
Do the Rams know Kupp wasn’t their first pick? Seems like they are promoting him not Everett. When are they doing the whole group intro?
Rookies arrive next week for a rookie minicamp that begins on Friday.
The Rams did not have a first-round pick, so they did not hold a news conference like last year for Jared Goff.
But I don’t get a sense that the Rams are “promoting” one player over another. The Rams’ website and social media team, it seems to me, makes a concentrated effort to post items about a broad range of players.
The website contains several items about Everett.
Of all our picks, it seems to me Josh Reynolds has the highest ceiling. Would you agree?
Projecting the career arc of NFL draft picks is a sport unto itself.
I have not seen Josh Reynolds, or any of the Rams’ picks, on the field with NFL players yet. So it’s difficult to give you an informed opinion.
Reynolds, of course, plays a position that often produces highlight-reel plays. And he showed in college that he might give the Rams a tall target with deep-ball capability.
But players such as tight end Gerald Everett, who played without much fanfare at South Alabama, might get even more of an opportunity to develop and shine in McVay’s offense.
After covering college football for 14 years, I have only covered the NFL for one. This much is clear, though: Standout college receivers often do not enjoy similar success — or separation — in the NFL because they no longer have the advantage of mismatches against less talented cornerbacks most weeks.
I’m looking forward to seeing Reynolds and all of the rookies next week. Let’s revisit the question in a future mailbag.
What do you make of the Rams going after Seniors (guys with a lot of college production)?
A record of success certainly works in a player’s favor.
Despite all the hyperbole about 40-yard dash times and other measures in the buildup to the draft, most coaches, scouts and personnel people tell me that the most important component of their predraft evaluation is what they see on video from a player’s college career.
But it’s hardly an exact science.
Consider: The Rams selected record-setting receiver Cooper Kupp in the third round after he played in 52 games for Eastern Washington.
The Chicago Bears made quarterback Mitch Trubisky the second overall pick after he started 13 games for North Carolina.
I have a lot of hope for the Rams with Coach McVay and other new coaches. Think the team will play much harder for these guys. Am I dreaming
You are not dreaming.
A new coach and staff to impress? Jobs possibly on the line?
It would a surprise if the Rams don’t play hard. But that’s also a subjective term. The Rams did not lose games last season because they didn’t play “hard” enough. They lost, most of the time, because they failed to execute and make plays, especially on offense.
Some of that was on the coaches as well as the players.
What’s happening at Center? There’s got to be a larger plan in place than “hope Sullivan stays healthy”, right? Anyone else getting a look?
For the short term, the “hope Sullivan stays healthy” plan is in play.
John Sullivan was a reliable player for the Minnesota Vikings until back injuries forced him to sit out the 2015 season. Last season, he played for McVay in Washington.
McVay has said other interior linemen would get work at center. Demetrius Rhaney practiced at center last season. The Rams did not draft a center but they signed New Mexico State’s Anthony McMeans. They also signed Jake Eldrenkamp, who played guard at Washington. Perhaps he will get a look at center as well.
when do the Rams need to be below the cap??
NFL teams must be in compliance with the salary cap on the first day of the new league year. For 2017, that was March 9.
Only the 51 highest cap numbers on a roster count against a team until the week before the first game.
Thought Cody Davis did okay at safety at the end of last season. Do you know how he’s viewed by coaches?
Cody Davis started three games last season and will probably be a reserve and special teams player again in 2017.
Davis, a fifth-year pro, is scheduled to earn about $1.7 million in salary and bonuses this season in the final year of a two-year contract.
With the departure of T.J. McDonald, the Rams will move cornerback Lamarcus Joyner to free safety and make Maurice Alexander the strong safety. The Rams also drafted safety John Johnson from Boston College.
How well is Goff doing at learning the offense? Has Goff shown improvement in mechanics since his off season work at 3DQB
After one of the Rams’ initial offseason workouts, McVay said he was pleased with the way Goff got the offense in and out of the huddle and lined up. It was a starting point.
Goff is learning a new offensive system for the second time in two years. So, at this point, it’s difficult to gauge how he is translating what he’s learning. We’ll get a clue during organized team activities and a much better sense during training camp.
The Rams opened only one practice to the media, and the offense worked out on the field farthest from where it could be viewed. Goff’s mechanics looked fine from a distance, but he was not under the duress of a rush.
How is Robinson doing at Right tackle? How is Havenstein doing at right guard? When will the rookies get to practice with the team?
With the signing of left tackle Andrew Whitworth, Greg Robinson was moved to right tackle. That would seem to be a better fit for Robinson because it removes the highly visible responsibility of protecting the quarterback’s blind side.
Rob Havenstein moved from right tackle to right guard.
“It’s not huge — it’s still offensive line,” Havenstein said of the transition after the first offseason workout last month. “We’re still using some of the same techniques. There might be little nuances that are a little different. But, kind of from what I hear and what I’m learning, is things happen a little quicker. There’s not as much space, so it’s just the little things that change.”
Most rookies are eligible to practice with the team during organized-team activities, which begin May 23. Last year, linebacker Cory Littleton could not participate because classes were still in session at Washington.
Saw no press reports of mini camp Was press allowed to attend. Will McVay be more open or closed about press at mini camp and preseason
The first day of last month’s voluntary minicamp was open to reporters.
Here is the link to the story I posted that day.
Former coach Jeff Fisher regularly opened practices to reporters. He was one of the only NFL coaches that did so.
Training camp practices will remain open to the press but McVay will adopt the NFL model of limiting access during the regular season to the first 15 or 20 minutes.
I really thought Mannion deserved to start ahead of Goff last year. What is feeling about Mannion’s progress among coacheso
The coaching staff has sounded enthused about third-year quarterback Sean Mannion.
But Mannion will not start unless Goff suffers an injury, is sidelined because of an off-the-field issue or is consistently ineffective and error-prone for a long period.
That’s not a knock on Mannion. That’s economics. When a franchise invests as much as it has in Goff, he is going to play.
Do you get the feeling that the Rams are making inroads and reconnecting with fans from the previous Coliseum or Ram Time in Anaheim days?
The Rams made a pretty big push to reconnect with Southern California Rams fans upon their return last season.
The momentum of those efforts no doubt slowed as the team stumbled to a 4-12 finish.
Going 1-6 at the Coliseum and playing wretchedly on offense did not help.
I’m sure there will be fan-friendly events in the runup to the season, but drumming up excitement is going to be a tougher sell until they put an entertaining and successful product on the field.
does WR Nelson Sprice make the final roster?
And there it is, the weekly inquiry regarding Nelson Spruce.
Spruce played the first preseason game last season and then was sidelined because of injuries. The Rams did not put him on waivers, in part because they feared another team would claim him.
If Spruce is physically sound and catches the ball the way he has his entire career, he’ll be in the mix.
Tavon Austin, Robert Woods, Pharoh Cooper, Mike Thomas and rookies Cooper Kupp and Josh Reynolds are among the receivers who will be competing for playing time.
What’s your main takeaway from the first Snead/McVay draft? Did anything, good or bad, surprise you about how the draft unfolded for them?
McVay told Snead what he wanted for his offense, and Snead tried to accommodate him.
That’s my main takeaway.
I was a bit surprised that the Rams did not draft a cornerback. The lack of an offensive lineman was mildly surprising.
The Rams’ draft lacked the flair and star power of teams such as the Cleveland Browns, San Francisco 49ers and even the Chargers.
But we won’t know if it was productive until we see how the players perform.
Any word on scouting department hirings?! And what about #Ravens director of college scouting Joe Hortiz?! #Rams
The Rams have not announced any scouting department hires.
Last month, the Rams informed Ran Carthon, director of pro personnel, and scouts Evan Ardoin, Danton Barto and Sean Gustus that their contracts would not renewed.
Joe Hortiz is the Baltimore Ravens’ director of college scouting and has been with that organization since 1998. He is expected to be among those getting consideration by the Rams.
If (young) GK was drafted, what round? Would you be pick #132? That’s pretty good. How about (experienced) GK? UDFA?
Had a young version of me been drafted at No. 132, the Philadelphia Eagles this year would have opted to pass on record-setting San Diego State running back Donnel Pumphrey.
The experienced version of me might have a chance as an undrafted free agent if the position of need was Christmas cookie eater.
Thanks, everyone, for the questions. Let’s do it again next week.
May 7, 2017 at 12:11 am #68460
znModeratorselections from NFL chat with Jim Thomas
http://sports.live.stltoday.com/Event/NFL_chat_with_Jim_Thomas_61?Page=2
What do you think of the coaching staff assembled by McVay? Will they be better teachers than the Fish group?
by Andy May 2 at 4:58 PMI’m not all that familiar with a lot of the assistants. Keeping Fassel as special teams coordinator was big. Obviously hiring Phillips was huge. I’ve always like Greg Olson. The job he did in StL under Linehan was underappreciated. And he’s had jobs since then in a lot of tough places. I know Demoff thinks pretty highly of Kromer, I think he was on the head-coach interview list in the Fisher hiring cycle.
Seems like the Rams are getting, as Gordo said, “middling” grades on their draft performance. Based on WHAT? How are they any better coming out of that draft?
by Kroenkitis Victim May 2 at 3:30 PM
PermalinkI know the St. Louis writer isn’t supposed to say anything good about the Rams, but I’m kind of intrigued by the Rams’ draft and I’m kind of intrigued by the McVay hiring. I know some people in the business who I trust who speak very highly of McVay.
how do you rate the Rams draft picks. I would say MEH-!!!! Several overreaches and a slow small school slot receiver.
by Jack May 2 at 3:34 PMI give them B minus. I would’ve taken a wide receiver (Zay Jones) instead of trading down and taking the South Alabama tight end. I don’t know about taking two players from Div. I-AA Eastern Washington,. But almost all of the players they took had good to great production in college. I’ve always been a big believer in that. (As was Jimmy Johnson.) Too often in the past, I think the Rams have overly-relied on projections and measurables.
How would you grade the Rams draft? Do you feel they added enough to help Goff?
by blocking fullback May 2 at 3:37 PMThis was definitely a McVay draft. Not Snead’s. McVay’s fingerprints are all over it according to my sources. And I still have some believe it or not who are familiar with that team out West. As the Rams have done in the past, McVay took the private jet (Air Kroenke?) to privately work out many of the picks. McVay wasn’t just throwing darts.
Kiper was very adamant that the Rams overreached and failed to get “value” in the draft (value is a big word these days, esp. for Kiper). Do you think the Rams got value? Steven Smith said Kupp was the best receiver in the draft!!
by DoctorB May 2 at 3:55 PMThere’s value going in, and value once the games start. As mentioned earlier, what’s the big deal about taking a guy five or 10 picks before where he was “supposed” to go if it turns out that he can play?
Jim, my concern with the Rams’ draft was that they got some guys at positions of need, but maybe none of them will be very good in the NFL. What do you think? Thanks!
by Tom May 2 at 3:59 PMThis draft was all McVay. At least with the offensive players. Again, these are all McVay’s hand-picked guys on offense. We’ll soon find out how he is not only as a talent evaluator but also integrating them into his offense
Lots of commentators were mystified by the Rams not taking any offensive linemen. What do you think about that? Thanks!
by Tom May 2 at 4:04 PMWell, you added a good one in Whitworth at LT. Granted he’s 35, but if you can get a good year or two out of him, you’re OK for now. You have Sullivan in free agency to at lest compete for the center job. It was a pretty weak year in the draft for offensive linemen. Especially at the tackle position. Why reach for something that isn’t necessarily there? So at face value I’m not bent out of shape by the fact that the Rams didn’t take an o-lineman.
T – the Rams had 5 turnstiles on OL last year, added one tackle from the Cincinnati old folks home and drafted ZERO OL…are these people running the Rams football people or ticket takers at Stan’s entertainment complex?
by DrMizzou May 2 at 5:11 PMYeah, but those same turnstiles allowed only 18 sacks in 2015 and helped get Gurley rookie of the year honors. So I don’t think you give up on that core yet. I think part of the blame needs to go to Gurley.
Odds on this being Tavon’s last year with the Rams?
by Dan May 2 at 4:27 PMI’d have to see how the new contract is structured. OK, wait. Let me look it up quickly. . . .OK. A $5 million roster bonus payable in 2018 already is guaranteed. He’s due $3 million in base in ’18, that’s only partially guaranteed until early in the ’18 league year. So the Rams would have to swallow some money if they cut or traded Austin after ’17. I’ll say 55-45 he stays.
I think the biggest offseason signing for the Rams this year was bringing in Wade Phillips as Def. Coordinator. Do you think he’ll be able to recreate the success he most recently had in Denver?
by Stan Jr. May 2 at 4:55 PMDon’t know about all that. He needs Quinn to stay healthy and regain his mojo as a pass-rusher, even in making the switch to OLB. He needs Connor Barwin to have a good year. But even if that occurs, I don’t see a Denver-like secondary.
Jim,
Did you get a chance to read Peter King’s article about being in the 49ers draft room this year? Really fascinating article. Surprised John Lynch would let anyone have that much access during his 1st draft as GM. Did you ever try to get access like that to the Rams during your time on the beat?
by Jeff W May 2 at 2:07 PMActually I did during the 2001 draft, the year the Rams had 3 first-round picks and took Adam Archuleta, Damione Lewis, and Ryan Pickett. Now, I didn’t have the kind of access Peter King did. I was allowed in the draft room basically 5 minutes before the pick was made and five minutes after. That was it. But it was an interesting look at how things were done, particularly when it came down to the Pickett pick. Head coach Mike Martz had some reservations about the pick, but GM Charley Armey was very persuasive in why he liked Pickett. So Martz signed off on Pickett, and he turned out to easily be the best of the 3 picks although most of his career was spent in Green Bay.
Hey Jim, 1. What was the all time most cringe worthy Rams pick you knew immediately was stupid (tough question), and which one did you really THINK was stupid that worked out (none is an acceptable answer)?
by ihtnep May 2 at 3:08 PMLawrence Phillips is the most cringe-worthy one. There were 3 top-flight RB prospects in that 1996 draft. Phillips, Tim Biakabutuka, and Eddie George. Of course, George was the only one that worked out. And he was the last of the 3 RBs taken. Anyway as each pick went by and Phillips wasn’t picked the sense of dread increased in the gymnasium at the Mathews-Dickey Boys’ and Girls’ Club. (That was the Rams’ practice facility at that time. Construction was not yet complete at Rams Park in Earth City.) So Phillips’ the woman-abuser slid to the Rams at No. 6 overall, and compounding matters was the fact that owner Georgia Frontiere herself phone in the pick. I believe she was unaware of Phillips’ past at the time. Conversely, I wasn’t a big fan of the Todd Gurley pick at the time, and that worked out swell _ for a year at least.
Will the 49ers rebound soon, or will it be a long rebuild by the Bay?
by Same Old Rams May 2 at 3:32 PMYou won’t have to set aside money for playoff tickets this year. But I liked the Kyle Shanahan hire and I like what they’ve done in the offseason. Getting Solomon Thomas AND Reuben Foster to start your draft. Wow. They still need some juice on offense though.
Now that the draft is done, how do you see the NFC-West shaking out?
by Mark May 2 at 3:46 PMI still see Seattle at the top. Seems like they went for quantity over quality in the draft, which at face value is a little puzzling. Maybe they feel like they need to restock the depth chart. I like the first two picks in particular _ McDowell and Pocic. A little surprised they didn’t go for a running back with any of their 6 Day 2 picks. I guess they’re counting on Eddie Lacy to stay healthy. Arizona had a lot of losses via free agency. But GM Steve Keim is very good in my book. I wonder if they’ll have enough firepower on offense to be more than say a 9-7 team. That leaves the Rams and 49ers fighting it out for table scraps. Unless the Rams get a big bounce-back year from Gurley and Goff is dramatically improved, it’s hard to see this club winning more than 5 or 6 games. 7-9 BS actually would look good this time around. Many of the skill players on offense are so inexperienced. And they better not have many injuries on defense. I don’t see much depth on that side of the ball, For reasons I spelled out in an earlier post, I like where SanFran is headed although that could mean six victories this year.
May 7, 2017 at 12:13 am #68461
znModeratorThis time JT’s chat is pretty good. He still knows more than the LA guys (so far). In fact sometimes the difference is embarrassing, frankly.
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