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  • #59433
    zn
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    Kenny Britt confident he will connect with Jared Goff

    By JACK WANG / STAFF WRITER

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/britt-736526-rams-time.html

    THOUSAND OAKS – For the 10th time in his eight-year career, Kenny Britt is playing with a new starting quarterback.

    This past Sunday, the Rams finally started No. 1 overall pick Jared Goff, giving fans reason to keep watching what has become an increasingly frustrating season. In a rainy debut at the Coliseum, he completed 17 of 31 passes for 134 yards — a performance that neither lifted nor doomed his team in a 14-10 loss to the Dolphins.

    “He did OK,” Britt said. “He handled himself well for his first NFL game. He hasn’t been on the field for a couple of months now.”

    It’s difficult to accurately assess Goff based on one game. In an offense that looked as constrained as ever last weekend, the former Cal star threw just five passes that traveled more than 10 yards through the air. Moving forward, the Rams’ hopes for an unlikely playoff push will depend largely on Goff’s ability to stretch the field more than Case Keenum, who threw nine touchdowns against 11 interceptions and was clearly miscast as a full-time starter.

    But as flawed as he was, Keenum did have a connection with the Rams’ leading receiver. Dating back to last season, Britt had played 14 games with Keenum under center, more than anyone else in his career except former Titans quarterback Jake Locker. He remains on pace to become the Rams’ first 1,000-yard receiver since Terry Holt in 2007.

    “Physically, he’s feeling better than he’s ever felt,” said Rams coach Jeff Fisher, who coached the Titans when they drafted Britt 30th overall in 2009.

    Last month, Britt said that he and Keenum had gotten so comfortable with each other that they could communicate with a single look. Getting that familiar with Goff, who did not get a full offseason’s worth of first-team reps, won’t be accomplished overnight.

    “It’s going to take that extra time in the classroom, that extra time on the field,” Britt said this week. “To tell you the truth, in camp, he was putting in the work, the extra time on our routes. He tries to get in after practice. That’s something you don’t see a lot of rooks do.”

    Britt’s seven targets against Miami still tied for the team lead, though his 43 yards resulted in a season-low 8.6 yards per reception. Given time and reps, he still figures to be Goff’s most dependable weapon.

    More concerning is the continued disappearance of Tavon Austin, whom the Rams just inked to a four-year, $42 million extension. The breakout that Fisher kept insisting was coming has yet to materialize: the former first-round pick is averaging just 43.7 scrimmage yards per game, down almost 13 yards from last season; his catch rate of 53.3 percent is a career low; he has only scored twice.

    After a three-game stretch that saw him receive 29 targets, Austin has only seen 11 passes come his way this month. He has pulled in only one pass from Goff, gaining most of the 21 yards after the catch.

    “He’s got to create separation,” offensive coordinator Rob Boras said. “We’ve got to find a way to get it to him in space and let him use his ability for it – and at the same time not get it to him when everybody is expecting us to get it to him.”

    “The way they’re playing me on defense, they’re taking me away,” Austin added. “It doesn’t really bother me. I can do other stuff on the field to try to get us to win.

    “Just try to stay patient. Don’t get too mad about it.”

    #59434
    wv
    Participant

    He’s got to create separation,” offensive coordinator Rob Boras said. “We’ve got to find a way to get it to him in space and let him use his ability for it – and at the same time not get it to him when everybody is expecting us to get it to him.”
    “The way they’re playing me on defense, they’re taking me away,” Austin added.
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    Well he’s not Larry Fitzgerald is he. As we’ve discussed sixteen gazillion times by now, he is not a pure no.1 WR. Or even a pure no.2 WR.

    He’s a dangerous punt returner, and a weapon the defense has to account for,
    but seems to ABLE to account for fairly easily.

    Hierarchy of Disappointments in 2016

    1 Collapse of the Running game (Gurley / Oline)

    2 Lack of big plays from Tavon

    3 Defensive collapses in the clutch, and the redzone

    4 Hekker has not thrown a TD pass all year

    5 Rams still wear those awful blue pants from time to time.

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    #59435
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    Well he’s not Larry Fitzgerald is he. As we’ve discussed sixteen gazillion times by now, he is not a pure no.1 WR. Or even a pure no.2 WR.

    He’s a dangerous punt returner, and a weapon the defense has to account for,
    but seems to ABLE to account for fairly easily.

    he’s not even a dangerous punt returner now.

    i was excited when they re-signed him. now. i’m thinking it was a huge mistake.

    part of it is they aren’t using him right. i realize that. but this is also pretty much the same offensive staff intact. things like this shouldn’t be happening.

    #59444
    wv
    Participant

    he’s not even a dangerous punt returner now.

    i was excited when they re-signed him. now. i’m thinking it was a huge mistake.

    part of it is they aren’t using him right. i realize that. but this is also pretty much the same offensive staff intact. things like this shouldn’t be happening.

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    Year three and can we say its been his worst year? At least so far.

    I am so utterly sick of this Fisher offense. I just am. I want a new offense.

    I just do.

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    #59455
    zn
    Moderator

    I am so utterly sick of this Fisher offense.

    I’m not. My thing is not that the Fisher offense, in itself, isn’t good. My thing is, we actually haven’t SEEN the offense.

    If it’s not one thing it’s another. Bradford gets hurt, Foles collapses, Keenum would have been fine with a running game but there is no running game this year, and Goff is just starting.

    The times we actually HAVE seen the offense, I’ve liked it.

    #59456
    wv
    Participant

    I am so utterly sick of this Fisher offense.

    I am so utterly sick of this Fisher offense.

    I’m not. My thing is not that the Fisher offense, in itself, isn’t good. My thing is, we actually haven’t SEEN the offense.

    If it’s not one thing it’s another. Bradford gets hurt, Foles collapses, Keenum would have been fine with a running game but there is no running game this year, and Goff is just starting.

    The times we actually HAVE seen the offense, I’ve liked it.

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    Yes, I understand. I will fight to the death to support your right to like the Fisher Offense.

    But wv ram is sick of it. I’ve ‘seen’ enough.

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    #59457
    zn
    Moderator

    But wv ram is sick of it. I’ve ‘seen’ enough.

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    But if I haven’t seen the offense because of all the conditions I named, where or when have you seen it?

    See I don’t think we’re really discussing the offense. I think we’re discussing what they had to put on the field because of a long list of various factors. And that;s not the offense…it’s what they have been forced to get by with in the meanwhile.

    My bet is that when we actually see the offense, you;ll like it too.

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    #59462
    wv
    Participant

    But wv ram is sick of it. I’ve ‘seen’ enough.

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    But if I haven’t seen the offense because of all the conditions I named, where or when have you seen it?

    See I don’t think we’re really discussing the offense. I think we’re discussing what they had to put on the field because of a long list of various factors. And that;s not the offense…it’s what they have been forced to get by with in the meanwhile.

    My bet is that when we actually see the offense, you;ll like it too.

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    Well, maybe. But i might like some OTHER coach’s offense even more,
    next year.

    Fisher picked this OLine. Fisher picked this RB. Fisher picked these WRs and TE’s and Tavon. Fisher picked this O-Co-ordinator. Fisher picked Keenum. Everyone is Healthy.
    And the offense is a disaster. Zero points vs the 49ers. How many TDs this whole year? How many yards rushing? Who looks good on offense? Britt, and thats it.

    Fisher was picked in part because he could handle a big move. Well, they moved, and he is still putting out 7-9-BS.

    I’m done. You are not. Pistols at dawn.

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    #59466
    zn
    Moderator

    I’m done. You are not. Pistols at dawn.

    #59483
    zn
    Moderator

    Fisher picked this OLine. Fisher picked this RB. Fisher picked these WRs and TE’s and Tavon. Fisher picked this O-Co-ordinator. Fisher picked Keenum. Everyone is Healthy.

    And of course…ALL of that looks better with a genuine starting caliber qb. All of it, every bit.

    Right?

    I mean that’s true with most teams, why wouldn’t it be with the Rams?

    So I submit again that we have not seen the Fisher offense.

    Like all offenses it needs a qb. And, one game is not enough yet to write Goff off when it comes to that.

    Now of course I am putting pressure on your reasons, but you don’t need your reasons. You can just say I don’t care I don’t like Fisher anyway. In the meanwhile, I am not done because I am waiting for the qb.

    If they have a new guy next year, he’s not going to replace the OL, Gurley, or even most of the WRs. If he wins it will be because Goff works out. If he doesn’t it’s because Goff doesn’t. Same with Fisher.

    #59484
    Herzog
    Participant

    We’ve seen Fisher offenses for five years. We may not have seen it at its full potential, but we’ve seen it.
    This is a special kind of ineptness

    #59485
    zn
    Moderator

    We’ve seen Fisher offenses for five years. We may not have seen it at its full potential, but we’ve seen it.
    This is a special kind of ineptness

    No I don’t think we have. Like all offenses it needs a qb to be good.

    I think your impression of “ineptness” is just an effect of them not having a starting caliber qb for much of the time. That’s said with all due respect, but it is genuinely how I see it.

    If you count Goff’s 1 game, and Foles’s 1st 4 games before he melted down, and Bradford’s total starts, the Fisher Rams have fielded a starting caliber qb in 37.8% of their games.

    In fact if Goff works out, and I believe he will, I bet it will be far different.

    If Goff does not work out, it will not matter that much who the head coach is.

    In fact I have a formula. If you say “Coach ABC is good,” I can then ask “how many qbs started for him in his tenure.” My bet is, with rare exceptions, any coach who makes the “good” list will have a small number of names at qb.

    Since 2012, now counting Goff, Rams have started 7 qbs. My other related bet is, if you find any other coach with that many qbs in an equivalent period of time, they won’t have a great record. No matter who they are.

    #59490
    Herzog
    Participant

    I’m starting to see what you are saying. I guess it’s all muddled to me bc he also was responsible for the talent he has. He can’t make his offense work bc he doesn’t have the right QB and/or personnel…. which he is responsible for.

    #59491
    zn
    Moderator

    I’m starting to see what you are saying. I guess it’s all muddled to me bc he also was responsible for the talent he has. He can’t make his offense work bc he doesn’t have the right QB and/or personnel…. which he is responsible for.

    Generally speaking, no coach makes the offense work without a starting caliber qb. He doesn’t have one of those because one injured the same knee twice, and the other melted down, got benched, and then asked to be released. To get one they traded up in the draft.

    I think with decent quarterbacking from a born starter type, the offense is fine. With the personnel as is.

    I know I am in the minority and I am trying to avoid board war approaches to the discussion. But still, it’s what I believe.

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    #59499
    bnw
    Blocked

    I am so utterly sick of this Fisher offense.

    I’m not. My thing is not that the Fisher offense, in itself, isn’t good. My thing is, we actually haven’t SEEN the offense.

    If it’s not one thing it’s another. Bradford gets hurt, Foles collapses, Keenum would have been fine with a running game but there is no running game this year, and Goff is just starting.

    The times we actually HAVE seen the offense, I’ve liked it.

    Well maybe Belicheat has never seen his offense either but he keeps getting it done with crap draft position every year.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #59504
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    I know Belicheat does two things he cheats, he is the best at in game decisions and strategy, and he cheats.

    He does two other things, he cheats, his teams make fewer mistakes, and he cheats.

    Agamemnon

    #59505
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    I know Belicheat does two things he cheats, he is the best at in game decisions and strategy, and he cheats.

    He does two other things, he cheats, his teams make fewer mistakes, and he cheats.

    jaja.

    we said at the beginning keenum could win with a strong defense, a strong oline, and a running game. i still believe that to be true. this coaching staff has screwed two of those things up. on top of that the wr corps is a mess outside of mr britt.

    i can forgive the problem at qb. it’s everything else on offense that’s been a disaster.

    i just hope the gurley pick was the right one…

    ack. and to be fair. a lot of these fisher picks i liked at the time. but i’m not the one getting paid to make these decisions thankfully.

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    #59506
    wv
    Participant

    I know Belicheat does two things he cheats, he is the best at in game decisions and strategy, and he cheats.

    He does two other things, he cheats, his teams make fewer mistakes, and he cheats.

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    Well i think a lot of Coaches over the decades have Cheated.
    Belichex is BETTER at cheating than a lot of other cheating-coaches,
    i think. Plus Brady is a good-cheater.

    Plus Brady and Belichex are smarter than everyone else. Which makes them the best cheaters.

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    #59513
    zn
    Moderator

    I am so utterly sick of this Fisher offense.

    I’m not. My thing is not that the Fisher offense, in itself, isn’t good. My thing is, we actually haven’t SEEN the offense.

    If it’s not one thing it’s another. Bradford gets hurt, Foles collapses, Keenum would have been fine with a running game but there is no running game this year, and Goff is just starting.

    The times we actually HAVE seen the offense, I’ve liked it.

    Well maybe Belicheat has never seen his offense either but he keeps getting it done with crap draft position every year.

    Lower draft position is not equivalent to not having a starting qb the majority of the time. The Uncle Billy Patz have had a starting caliber qb the majority of the time, in fact one of the best.

    #59516
    zn
    Moderator

    Mod lesson in quoting with this software, #2.

    Ag quoting.

    Because Ag is one of the posters who colors his font (and more power to him), here’s what you get when you just hit “quote.”

    <span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>I know Belicheat does two things he cheats, he is the best at in game decisions and strategy, and he cheats.</span>

    <span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>He does two other things, he cheats, his teams make fewer mistakes, and he cheats.</span>

    If you;ve done it that way, but your post is clean anyway, it’s because after you posted, a mod used silent edit to clean it up.

    Here’s the safer, cleaner method. Don’t just hit “quote.” Use your cursor to blue out the text you want to quote, THEN hit “quote.” And it comes out like this, no mod clean-up required:

    I know Belicheat does two things he cheats, he is the best at in game decisions and strategy, and he cheats.

    Doing it that way is fun, easy, and it gives you free daily vitamins.

    Speaking of which, I got a big laugh the other day in a starbuck’s drive-thru. I ordered a medium quad cappacino with 2 stevia cooked in. The voice on the “order here” intercom said “will that be all” and I said “yes that’s all the food groups” and for some reason she thought that was hilarious, and was still laughing when I got up to the service window.

    Plus I bet she knows how to quote posts. Though she’s also probably a Patz fan.

    ..

    #59542
    bnw
    Blocked

    Lower draft position is not equivalent to not having a starting qb the majority of the time. The Uncle Billy Patz have had a starting caliber qb the majority of the time, in fact one of the best.

    Then draft a QB that can stay healthy when not being hit. Get an O line in front of him that can protect him. Brady has gone down before by injury and by suspension and the Cheatriots keep on winning. No more excuses for 7-9 if they’re lucky Snisher.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #59546
    zn
    Moderator

    Lower draft position is not equivalent to not having a starting qb the majority of the time. The Uncle Billy Patz have had a starting caliber qb the majority of the time, in fact one of the best.

    Then draft a QB that can stay healthy when not being hit. Get an O line in front of him that can protect him. Brady has gone down before by injury and by suspension and the Cheatriots keep on winning. No more excuses for 7-9 if they’re lucky Snisher.

    Fact is, if the Patz knew what Brady was, they would not have waited to the 6th round. So they just plain flat lucked out. That’s all there is to it.

    So not only do they have Brady, based a great deal on luck alone, but turns out Brady does not get injured (just that one year.) That is not the same as having 7 qbs in 5 years. Your big complaint being they were not prescient enough to know that Bradford would get 2 knee injuries to the same knee.

    So tell me right now. Will Goff be as durable as Brady or not? Because if it’s possible to know that in advance, then, yeah, they get blame for it. But if it’s possible to know that in advance then tell me right now how it’s going to go.

    In advance, the Patz had no idea that Brady would miss only 19 games in 16 years. Acting like they get credit for that kind of luck is just not a good argument.

    And that’s leaving aside the fact that it’s a bogus argument to compare these guys to Billichick. NO COACH in the last 16 years measures up to Billichick. So every single fan in the country, of any team, can say “well our coach is no Billichick.” An exception is not a normal standard.

    #59553
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    the brady argument is weak. i agree. no way anyone could predict that.

    but the patriots as a staff have a knack for picking up retreads or picking up little known players in the draft and getting the most out of them.

    ok now granted one can’t compare to belichick. i agree with that too.

    but fisher and staff have a knack for drafting dumb players. they have a tendency to make untimely errors. is that coaching? do they need to focus maybe a little more on intelligence?

    maybe they hit on the goff pick and all this is forgotten… if they don’t hit on this pick then i definitely see no possible way fisher comes back from that.

    but i will say their track record on dbacks and dlinemen is very very good. i’ll give them that. they’re also pretty good at finding rb talent. i think.

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    #59554
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    also on goff. because of the trade up to get him he better be way way way way better than bradford ever was.

    i agree with ag. not a good move trading up.

    #59561
    zn
    Moderator

    also on goff. because of the trade up to get him he better be way way way way better than bradford ever was.

    I don’t agree with that.

    They wanted a qb because they lost 2. They did what they had to do to get a top one. Personally I am not going to put this albatross around his neck and say “you have to be worth x amount of picks.”

    I am just going to go, good they have a franchise qb.

    #59566
    sanbagger
    Participant

    Personally I am not going to put this albatross around his neck and say “you have to be worth x amount of picks.”

    I am just going to go, good they have a franchise qb.

    I would agree with that, unfortunately it happens all the time. I think that’s part of why Austin is so scrutinized and you can add Quick to that…they are held to where they were drafted and what was given up to draft them.

    I don’t think it’s fair to say because what they gave up to get him he has to be Brady2. I also don’t think he has to be the best QB in the draft just because he was No.1…I just want him to be a good solid QB that the good guys can lean on, it’s been a while and that’s a key spot.

    #59579
    bnw
    Blocked

    So tell me right now. Will Goff be as durable as Brady or not? Because if it’s possible to know that in advance, then, yeah, they get blame for it. But if it’s possible to know that in advance then tell me right now how it’s going to go.

    No. Goff will not be as durable as Brady. So yes, Snisher gets the blame for it. Can’t do it game by game but if Ag has some of his percentages on this I doubt Goff even has a 16 year career never mind the 19 games missed.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #59580
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    he doesn’t have to be another brady. he just has to stay healthy and be better than bradford.

    for the amount of draft capital they gave up and the inability to add talent with those picks. yeah he’ll have to be really good. he can’t just be good. he’s gonna have to be top 10 at least.

    austin and quick get scrutinized cuz they’re not that good. it sucks. but that’s the reality. it’s part of why this offense is so mediocre. it’s not just the coaching. although that’s certainly part of it. it’s also that for whatever reason their skill position players have not panned out. austin, quick, pead, bailey, stacy…

    constantly missing on these skill position players has hurt this team. hopefully, gurley and goff don’t fall in that category. that goes for higbee and cooper as well. i’d include spruce but he’s a udfa.

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    #59582
    zn
    Moderator

    So tell me right now. Will Goff be as durable as Brady or not? Because if it’s possible to know that in advance, then, yeah, they get blame for it. But if it’s possible to know that in advance then tell me right now how it’s going to go.

    No. Goff will not be as durable as Brady. So yes, Snisher gets the blame for it. Can’t do it game by game but if Ag has some of his percentages on this I doubt Goff even has a 16 year career never mind the 19 games missed.

    Thats’ easy though. Very few have a 16 year career. Patz sure didn’t know in advance that Brady would. That’s more of the sheer luck factor. They could not know he would last 16 years, any more than the Rams could know beforehand that Bradford would hurt the same knee twice.

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    #59613
    sanbagger
    Participant

    Moderator
    he doesn’t have to be another brady. he just has to stay healthy and be better than bradford.

    for the amount of draft capital they gave up and the inability to add talent with those picks. yeah he’ll have to be really good. he can’t just be good. he’s gonna have to be top 10 at least.

    austin and quick get scrutinized cuz they’re not that good. it sucks. but that’s the reality. it’s part of why this offense is so mediocre. it’s not just the coaching

    Just better than Bradford? I think if he’s just better than Bradford, which would put him in the Alex Smith role, I think he and the Rams will take a lot of heat…Purely draft position stuff IMO.

    Austin and Quick are both pretty good, but they get railed on for draft position meanwhile a late rounder or UDFA like Spruce is being hailed as a savior….and he can’t stay healthy so far in his career.

    To me….a lot of the criticism is draft position, and once the choice is made I put that behind me.

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