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October 9, 2016 at 9:18 pm #54895
znModeratorRams can’t overcome Case Keenum’s turnovers, D-line injuries
Alden Gonzalez
LOS ANGELES — Case Keenum sat on the turf at Los Angeles Coliseum late Sunday afternoon, looking away from the play because he already knew the result.
His hopeless scramble on fourth-and-19 had resulted in a wobbly pass that ended with his second interception, sealing a 30-19 loss to the Buffalo Bills that snapped a three-game winning streak.
Perhaps the Rams lost before it even began.
Three of their starting defensive linemen were unable to suit up for Sunday’s Week 5 matchup against the Buffalo Bills, and the Rams had a hard time making up for it. With Robert Quinn, Will Hayes and Michael Brockers all out, the Bills gained 194 yards on the ground, extending drives and ultimately putting too much pressure on a Rams offense that is not built to come from behind.
By halftime, Bills running back LeSean McCoy had rushed for 111 yards and quarterback Tyrod Taylor had scrambled for an additional 26.
Perhaps just as impressive was that the Rams — with an offense that entered ranked last in the NFL in yards per game — actually gave themselves a chance. They had it midway through the third quarter with the score tied at 16. Keenum tried to hit Tavon Austin on the outside, but Bills corner Nickell Robey-Coleman, a USC alum, jumped the route, intercepted the pass and ran in for the score.
Case Keenum completed 21 of 31 passes for 271 yards and two interceptions against the Bills. Harry How/Getty Images
It was the second time Keenum had an interception returned for a touchdown this season, and it wound up being the difference.Rams offensive coordinator Rob Boras did a nice job of mixing it up, designing ways for Austin and Todd Gurley to produce. Gurley rushed for 72 yards on 23 carries and scored his third touchdown of the season, which became the first Rams touchdown at the Coliseum since December 1979. And Austin made a season-high seven catches and gained 85 yards from scrimmage.
But the Rams were only able to come up with one touchdown despite frequently getting into enemy territory through the first three quarters.
They had fourth-and-4 at the Bills’ 4-yard line midway through the fourth quarter, on a drive that included a 31-yard third-down conversion on a pass to Brian Quick and then a 26-yard screen pass to third-string running back Malcolm Brown. But Rams coach Jeff Fisher settled for a field goal, prompting boos from a home crowd of 83,679 and keeping the Rams within four.
They then had fourth-and-5 from their own 23 when Fisher called for a fake punt that fooled nobody. Bradley Marquez took the direct snap but gained only a couple of meaningless yards, prompting the Bills to ice the game with a six-yard touchdown pass from Taylor to Marquise Goodwin four plays later.
October 9, 2016 at 9:48 pm #54896
znModeratorRams Fall to Buffalo at Home, 30-19
Myles Simmons
LOS ANGELES — With three starters inactive due to injury on the defensive line, the Rams could not overcome two turnovers that led to Bills touchdowns, falling to Buffalo 30-19. With the loss, the Rams are now 3-2 through five weeks of the season.
With Buffalo winning the toss and deferring, the Rams moved the ball effectively with running back Todd Gurley and wide receiver Tavon Austin both on the ground and through the air. On 3rd-and-2 from Los Angeles’ 29-yard line, Gurley lined up split out in the slot, and caught an out oute for the first down. Then he made a few men miss to speed down the sideline for a 24-yard gain.
Later in the possession, the Rams shifted their formation at the line of scrimmage to put Austin in the backfield. He received a carry on the play, gaining eight yards on first down.
The drive stalled after a false start penalty, but Los Angeles was still able to score on its opening possession for the third time in four weeks.
Los Angeles began the day with many of their regulars inactive due to injury, including starting defensive linemen Robert Quinn, Michael Brockers, and William Hayes. Those players being out appeared to have an effect on the early going of the game, as Buffalo rushed for 112 yards on just their first two possessions — both of which ended in touchdowns.
Quarterback Tyrod Taylor converted a 3rd-and-19 into a first down with a 22-yard scramble up the middle to keep Buffalo’s first drive alive. Taylor would finish the possession with a 4-yard touchdown pass to wideout Justin Hunter.
Following a Gurley fumble, McCoy burst through the middle for a 53-yard gain to put Buffalo on the Rams’ 5-yard line. Runnign back Mike Gillislee finished the possession on the next play, taking an option pitch from Taylor for the five-yard touchdown. With the blocked extra point, Buffalo had a 13-3 lead.
The Rams, however, scored 10 straight points to tie the game, led by the club forcing two three-and-outs defensively. Kicker Greg Zuerlein connected on a 32-yard field goal to make it 13-6. Then L.A. got a one-yard touchdown from Gurley to cap an eight-play, 64-yard drive.
Wide receiver Kenny Britt and wide receiver Brian Quick had receptions of 18 and 12 yards, respectively. And once Los Angeles reached the red zone, Austin carried the ball nine yards to set up a 1st-and-goal from the one-yard line. Austin ended the first half with six receptions for 55 yards, and two carries for 17 yards.
Everyone in the stadium knew the situation, but the Rams offensive line still got push on Buffalo’s defensive line to send Gurley into the end zone for the scoring strike.
With the score tied at 13, Buffalo completed a successful two-minute drive, as kicker Dan Carpenter hit a 23-yard field goal to put the Bills up 16-13 heading into halftime.
L.A. got back on the board with a 54-yard field goal to open the second-half scoring. But a critical third-quarter turnover gave Buffalo the lead.
On 2nd-and-14 from the Los Angeles 31-yard line, Keenum attempted to throw an out route to wide receiver Pharoh Cooper — who was active for the first time on Sunday. But cornerback Nickell Robey-Coleman jumped the route and returned the pass to 41 yards to the house for a pick six. With the extra point, Buffalo jumped out to a 23-16 lead.
The Rams overcame a pair of delay-of-game penalties on a fourth-quarter drive to move down the field and inch closer on a Zuerlein field goal. A 31-yard pass to Quick moved Los Angeles to its own 44-yard line. And then a 26-yard screen pass to running back Malcolm Brown put the home team as the visitors’ 35.
A Gurley carry gave the Rams 1st-and-goal at the Buffalo eight-yard line, but the drive stalled from there. Zuerlein kicked a 22-yard field goal to cut the Bills lead to 23-19 with just about six minutes left.
Los Angeles’ defense held up its end of the bargain, forcing a three-and-out on the ensuing possession. But the offense also could not move the ball effectively, going three-and-out itself.
That’s when the Rams attempted some special teams trickery. With 4th-and-5 from the L.A. 23, wide receiver Bradley Marquez received a direct snap as the up man in a punt formation. But the Bills were ready, and tackled Marquez three-yards short of the first-down marker.
McCoy quickly moved Buffalo down to the Rams’ one-yard line with a 24-yard gain. And though an illegal formation penalty moved the Bills back, Taylor completed a touchdown pass to wide receiver Marquise Goodwin, giving Buffalo a 30-19 lead with just over two minutes remaining.
October 10, 2016 at 4:56 am #54907
znModeratorThis time, Rams defense can’t overcome team’s offensive woes
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/rams-731632-play-coach.html
LOS ANGELES – While preparing to play the Rams, Buffalo coach Rex Ryan began last week talking about something being an example of “BSing the whole time.”
No, he wasn’t referring to the Rams’ 3-1 record or the statistically quirky and completely unforeseen path they took to arrive there.
But all those people who doubted the validity of 3-1 specifically and the Rams in general had their mistrust confirmed Sunday with the team’s 30-19 loss to the Bills.
The Rams’ offense again struggled to score and their defense this time didn’t write its name on the game’s signature play.
At two crucial points, Coach Jeff Fisher chose to go for it and so did quarterback Case Keenum, and both decisions left the Bills dancing with pleasure.
Then there was an injury-depleted defensive front that permitted running back LeSean McCoy 150 yards total and an 8.3-yard average, the Rams losing despite finishing with more first downs, offensive plays, time of possession and total yards.
“It’s basically on us,” linebacker Alec Ogletree said. “We didn’t get in our gaps. We just kinda, you know, made up some stuff.”
Making up some stuff doesn’t typically work in the NFL, where even the cheerleaders’ routines are practiced until the Xs and Os are worn thin.
So, after opening the season as the pleasant surprise of the league, after climbing atop a surely stunned NFC West, after winning their first home game in 22 years, the Rams crash landed at the Coliseum by losing to a clown coach.
Ryan isn’t a clown as a coach, understand, but more a clown who’s a coach. His claim a week ago about having a “source” within the New England organization was the root of his BS comment, Ryan later admitting he made it all up.
See, that kind of making it up is OK in the NFL because it doesn’t directly influence the game’s outcome. Making it up on the field, however, is a completely different situation.
Then again, when three-quarters of your defensive line is out, well, this is the NFL, where they don’t make excuses, which Fisher pointed out afterward before making the excuse of missing three-quarters of his defensive line.
“When you make a mistake in this league, they can find the holes,” Ogletree said. “We definitely didn’t play well enough to win this game. We beat ourselves with a lot of stuff, I think. We really just lost the game ourselves.”
Fisher’s decision to fake a punt late in the fourth quarter was one that was debated Sunday by everyone but Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. And that’s only because they had too many other topics over which to argue first.
The move was either gusty or idiotic, depending on how much or little you want the Rams to hire a new coach.
Since the play failed, history will remember the choice as idiotic, further fueling the belief that this team can do better.
Speaking of which, Keenum’s largely unsatisfying performance was low-lighted by a third-quarter interception former USC defensive back Nickell Robey-Coleman returned for the deciding touchdown.
“I can’t do that, especially in this league,” Keenum said, admirably but also unnecessarily. “I can’t put my team in that situation.”
He had his bright moments, proving elusive enough more than once to avoid the Bills’ rush and finish plays. For a guy critics consider unworthy of starting in the NFL, Keenum can at times mask his deficiencies well.
But, when analyzing the Rams’ offense Sunday, this statistic says it better than any one person could:
Both teams scored five times – the Bills had four touchdowns and one field goal and the Rams four field goals and one touchdown.
“We’ve got to score in that red zone,” wide receiver Tavon Austin said. “We keep getting down there but not scoring. Three points are good, but three points aren’t going to win too many games.”
The Rams did finally score a touchdown here, Todd Gurley finding the end zone on a 1-yard run late in the second quarter.
It came on their 15th possession and 88th offensive play in the Coliseum this season, evidence that they could produce at home using something other than Greg Zuerlein’s leg.
On the team’s radio broadcast, play-by-play man J.B. Long captured the touchdown by saying Gurley “plunges” into the end zone.
Maybe it’s just me, but doesn’t it seem like the home announcer, no matter how bad the offense has been, should refrain from describing its achievements by making toilet references?
Anyway, five weeks after the Rams officially did, the NFL showed up again in L.A., an unforgiving league spitting out a team that spent much of the day under duress and overexposed.
“We didn’t take a step back,” Ogletree insisted. “We just lost the game.”
True, perhaps. But, in a league where every opportunity is precious, for a team with little room to waste, those two might be the same thing.
October 10, 2016 at 5:36 am #54908
znModeratorBills knock off Rams 30-19 after fake punt misfires
Josh Alper
Bills knock off Rams 30-19 after fake punt misfires
LOS ANGELES, CA – OCTOBER 09: In one of the early games on Sunday, Jets coach Todd Bowles chose to punt trailing in the fourth quarter and found himself trailing by too much to recover from by the time his team got the ball back.
Rams coach Jeff Fisher went the other way against the Bills later in the afternoon, but he joined Bowles on the losing side of Week Five all the same. Fisher called for a fake punt on fourth-and-five from his own 23-yard-line with 3:47 left to play in the game, but wide receiver Bradley Marquez was stuffed for a short gain.
LeSean McCoy ran 24 yards to the foot of the end zone on the next play and Tyrod Taylor hit Marquise Goodwin for a six-yard touchdown a couple of snaps later to give the Bills breathing room in a 30-19 victory. The touchdown ended a frustrating half for the Bills offense, which moved well before halftime but produced nothing but punts come the second half.
The Bills still led, though, because cornerback Nickell Robey-Coleman made the biggest defensive play of the game. Robey-Coleman jumped an out route and cruised into the end zone in the stadium he called home while at USC. That broke a 16-16 tie and buoyed the Bills’ chances while their offense scuffled.
Fisher’s aggressiveness with the fake punt wasn’t matched on the previous Rams drive. He opted to kick a field goal on fourth-and-goal from the four-yard-line and the decision appeared to work out when the defense forced another quick punt. Case Keenum, who finished 21-of-31 for 271 yards and another late Robey-Coleman interception, was incomplete to tight end Lance Kendricks on third down, however, and the Rams didn’t want to give their offense another chance to get the yards.
Credit the Bills defense with creating that situation, generally keeping Todd Gurley under wraps on his way to 72 yards on 23 carries and carrying the team in the second half. Linebacker Lorenzo Alexander and defensive tackle Adolphus Washington both made an impact up front over the course of the afternoon for Buffalo, which has now won three straight games for the first time since 2011.
They have the 49ers and Dolphins in the next two weeks, so that winning streak could go on for a while. McCoy ended up with 150 yards on 18 carries, although 111 came before halftime when the Bills were clicking offensively in a way they’d like to capture for a full 60 minutes in those upcoming games.
October 10, 2016 at 2:14 pm #54932
znModeratorPeter King comment
from: http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/10/10/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-returns-suspension-nfl-week-5
Anthony Lynn, offensive coordinator, Buffalo. Since Rex Ryan fired Greg Roman as coordinator and appointed long-time aide Lynn to run the offense, Buffalo’s running game has become one of the league’s most feared. The Bills ran for just 75.5 yards a game under Roman in 2016; that number has skyrocketed to 178.3 per game under Lynn—and Lynn has reinforced the fact that Buffalo will be a strong running team first and second, then a throwing team third. Excellent job so far by the understated Lynn, who has the respect of his players.
October 10, 2016 at 9:15 pm #54950
znModeratorHere are the areas where the Rams fell short against the Bills
VINCENT BONSIGNORE
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/rams-731681-game-bills.html
With a chance to move to 4-1, strengthen their hold on first place in the NFC West and hit the road for games in Detroit and against the Giants in London swirling in positive vibes, the Rams shot themselves in the foot Sunday in a 30-19 loss to the Buffalo Bills.
In the process, it exposed a couple predictable albeit frustrating truths.
• The Rams’ margin of error is nil. They don’t necessarily need a perfect performance to win, but close to it.
• And they certainly aren’t equipped to deal with a slew of injuries, critical turnovers and curious coaching decisions. All of which they dealt with Sunday.
Here are some observations:
FISHER GOT A LITTLE TOO CUTE
It was bad enough Rams coach Jeff Fisher opted against trying to tie the game with his team facing fourth-and-goal at the Bills’ 4-yard-line with just under six minutes to play. But trailing 23-16 he opted for the sure three points to make it a one-score game.
In retrospect, why not go for it and try to knot the score? Worst-case scenario you’ve pinned the Bills inside their 5 with plenty of time to get the ball back.
That decision was bad enough.
But then to call a fake punt at the Rams’ 23-yard-line down four points with just under four minutes left, with all three timeouts and the two-minute warning available to stop the clock, was just egregious.
The botched call cost the Rams dearly. The Bills easily snuffed it out, setting themselves up 24 yards from the end zone, and then quickly delivered the knockout punch to put the Rams away.
Not smart. At all.
“I wouldn’t have called it if I didn’t think it was going to work,” Fisher said. “That’s how those things are. We practiced it all week, we had the look, and it didn’t work. I’ll take that. They executed it in practice, but they didn’t execute it there. I thought if that thing works it’s good stuff, really good stuff – but it didn’t. They don’t always work, but that type of approach in special teams has taken us a long ways.”
Still a bad call.
KEENUM HAD A BAD DAY
No one is expecting Case Keenum to single-handedly win games for the Rams. He simply isn’t equipped to take games over in that manner.
But his job is to steer the Rams clear of negative consequences – in other words, don’t lose the game – and on Sunday he didn’t do that.
Keenum threw two interceptions – against zero touchdowns – and the second was an absolute back-breaker as it went for a touchdown that ultimately won the game for the Bills.
The Rams aren’t nearly talented enough to overcome those types of mistakes.
“I have to watch the film and I have to see what exactly happened. But, I can’t do that, I can’t do that – especially in this league, across the board there’s guys who will make that play,” Keenum said. “I can’t put my team in that situation, obviously. But, the game came down to one or two plays and that was one play that I want back.”
STILL LITTLE FROM GURLEY
Todd Gurley’s 72 yards on 23 carries represented a statistical improvement based on how much he’s struggled to start the season. But the Rams need more from their star running back.
With Keenum as limited as he is – and opposing defenses showing little respect in him to beat them – it’s on Gurley and his offensive line and coaches to figure out a way to get him untracked.
Gurley felt the running game was better Sunday.
“I felt like we did a pretty good job.” he said. “I felt like we did pretty good overall as an offense. We just got to not turn the ball over.”
Maybe. But as the Bills showed by getting 150 yards from LeSean McCoy, things sure come easier when a stout run game gets established.
RAMS SHOULD NOT SATISFIED
The following quote from Fisher is a bit revealing. Here is what he had to say about the Bills and his Rams:
“That’s a good football team. They’re on a roll, but we have every reason to be OK with where we are right now. I know there’s a lot of teams that would like to be 3-2.”
While it’s definitely OK to publicly support your team – that’s what a coach does – it sure seems over the top for Fisher to make reference to being OK with being one game over .500 when his teams over the last four years have epitomized average to mediocre football.
The Rams have not fielded a team over .500 in Fisher’s four years at the helm. And everyone is waiting for them – him – to prove they can make that improvement from 7-9 and 8-8 to 9-7 and 10-6.
So to say they have every reason to be OK where they are right now seems a bit dubious. And maybe even a little bit telling.
October 12, 2016 at 5:08 pm #55084
AgamemnonParticipantFISHER GOT A LITTLE TOO CUTE
It was bad enough Rams coach Jeff Fisher opted against trying to tie the game with his team facing fourth-and-goal at the Bills’ 4-yard-line with just under six minutes to play. But trailing 23-16 he opted for the sure three points to make it a one-score game.
In retrospect, why not go for it and try to knot the score? Worst-case scenario you’ve pinned the Bills inside their 5 with plenty of time to get the ball back.
That decision was bad enough.

link: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/4th-down-when-to-go-for-it-and-why/
It is time to put this argument to rest. It is a close call, but the percentages very slightly favor taking the 3 points. I would have taken the FG. I said so in game chat.
If it is 4th and 3, then you go for it. But, it is still a close call.
October 12, 2016 at 5:33 pm #55088
AgamemnonParticipantThe Rams got the ball back twice in the game. Below are the win probabilities for trailing by 4, game tied, and trailing by 7.
If you go for it and don’t make, the game is virtually over. Any kind of score and you have 2 shots to win. Again, in the end this stuff is close. Either stragey is acceptable, but I prefer the FG.

Win Probability
4th Quarter, 4:35 remaining, trailing by 4,ball at team 18, 1st down & 10 to go:
Expected Points: 0.0400000000000002
Win Probability: 35.43%Win Probability
4th Quarter, 2:37 remaining, trailing by 4,ball at team 24, 1st down & 10 to go:
Expected Points: 0.541
Win Probability: 34.80%———————————————————————–
Win Probability
4th Quarter, 4:35 remaining, tie game,ball at team 18, 1st down & 10 to go:
Expected Points: 0.0400000000000002
Win Probability: 50.23%Win Probability
4th Quarter, 2:37 remaining, tie game,ball at team 24, 1st down & 10 to go:
Expected Points: 0.541
Win Probability: 59.13%———————————————————————–
Win Probability
4th Quarter, 4:35 remaining, trailing by 7,ball at team 18, 1st down & 10 to go:
Expected Points: 0.0400000000000002
Win Probability: 15.21%Win Probability
4th Quarter, 2:37 remaining, trailing by 7,ball at team 24, 1st down & 10 to go:
Expected Points: 0.541
Win Probability: 13.14%October 12, 2016 at 5:47 pm #55091
AgamemnonParticipantOctober 12, 2016 at 9:43 pm #55108
ZooeyModeratorWell, I wanted them to go for it on 4th and goal. Even with a fake FG. That was the moment to do that. My son and I KNEW it was coming when he called it on the punt.
And tell me this, though. Why are defenses able to load up on Gurley and stop him for nothing all the time, and right after that failed fake punt, EVERYBODY KNOWS they are going to give it to McCoy, and he busts through for about 16 yards?
October 12, 2016 at 10:10 pm #55109
AgamemnonParticipantI am proving that it wasn’t a bad decision to take the FG or later on to go for it on 4th down. In both cases either way is close to the other. Even if the other team knew it was going to be a fake, it is still 11 against 10. You can’t count the guy who is the returner.
Fisher did not make a BAD decision in either case. Either choice would have been OK. I prefer to line up with my regular team to go for, but if they do it off a fake punt, well, that is really doesn’t make much difference.
As far as your last statement. I think of that as more of a rant than a question.
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