Ray Lewis & panel discuss NFL defenses including LA

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  • #54605
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    He gets to the Rams at about 6:54 in.

    #54612
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    i don’t think the defense is there yet. to where they can shut an offense down like that denver d can.

    they are a little too bendy. i want them to be dominant. like donald is.

    #54614
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    The celebrity-tv-pundit-guy gave Fisher a backhand compliment and said “well, Fisher ‘can’ coach Defense, blah blah blah”

    I think thats a common meme in the galaxy today. That Fisher is a good D coach and a bad O coach.

    I dont really buy that. And i think as the Ram O comes to life in the next few years with Goff, and Spruce and Gurley etc, I imagine that meme will change.

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    #54626
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    Okay–here is my “out there” observation or comment of the day:

    If you are a great defensive coach…why aren’t you at least a good offensive coach? I mean–you know how to STOP offenses–you have to have some understanding of them. Wouldn’t you also have a pretty good understanding of how to attack a defense? If you understand enough about different offenses to attack them and stop them…wouldn’t you know the things that can really hurt a defense?

    Why can some teams look so unbalanced to one side of the football. Sean Payton gets the opposite rap in New Orleans–great offense–lousy defense. Do they just not know an offensive player when they see one? Is it personnel issues more than scheme?

    Why does that happen?

    Buddy Ryan–great defensive coach. Offense, not so much. He seemed indifferent to the offense.

    Now some guys CAN do both. Belichek, Walsh.

    But some guys get this label of one or the other and I wonder why that happens.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #54636
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    Why does that happen?

    IMO? (And it’s all just IMOs based on limited partial knowledge.)

    Because a head coach has so many other things to do that getting equally involved in both units is just frankly impossible.

    You have to give a lot to at least one coordinator.

    In terms of knowing the other side because you play against it…that’s actually too counter-intuitive for me. For example I don’t think you want to hire Norv Turner as your defensive coordinator just because he has had success against defenses. It doesn’t translate into knowing how to COACH defense. Similarly you’re just not going to hire Wade Wilson as your offensive coordinator. Same thing. So if you got a team and did hire Wilson for the offense and Turner for the defense, you would end up with one big steaming hot mess.

    It would be the same as switching the bartender and the cocktail waitresses. That would pretty much ruin happy hour even if on paper you would think the one would know the other’s job. It’s still not the same as doing it.

    #54647
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    Why does that happen?

    IMO? (And it’s all just IMOs based on limited partial knowledge.)

    Because a head coach has so many other things to do that getting equally involved in both units is just frankly impossible.

    You have to give a lot to at least one coordinator.

    In terms of knowing the other side because you play against it…that’s actually too counter-intuitive for me. For example I don’t think you want to hire Norv Turner as your defensive coordinator just because he has had success against defenses. It doesn’t translate into knowing how to COACH defense. Similarly you’re just not going to hire Wade Wilson as your offensive coordinator. Same thing. So if you got a team and did hire Wilson for the offense and Turner for the defense, you would end up with one big steaming hot mess.

    It would be the same as switching the bartender and the cocktail waitresses. That would pretty much ruin happy hour even if on paper you would think the one would know the other’s job. It’s still not the same as doing it.

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    I wonder if there are examples in NFL coaching history of men that were successful coaching both offense and defense. Or men that switched back and forth from one to the other.
    Maybe guys like Paul Brown? Or Halas? I dunno. Maybe not.

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