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October 4, 2016 at 9:02 am #54462znModerator
THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NFL THIS SEASON IS AARON DONALD (AGAIN)
Through four weeks, the Rams defensive tackle has the highest PFF grade in the entire league.https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-best-player-in-the-nfl-this-season-is-aaron-donald-again/
Through four weeks, the Rams defensive tackle has the highest PFF grade in the entire league.
In case it hasn’t already been clear, NFL fans should know this: Last season was no fluke, and Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald is once again the best player in all of football.
Winner of 2015’s PFF Dwight Stephenson award, for the best overall player in the NFL, Donald has the highest PFF grade of any player in 2016 with a score of 95.3, comfortably clear of the next-best and one of only six players to currently sit above 90 in the ratings.
Coming into the week he led the entire league with 17 total pressures, but had curiously yet to notch a sack. That changed in the Rams’ upset win over the Cardinals, as Donald got home twice in addition to the four hits and two hurries he recorded. For the season he now stands at 25 total pressures across only four games.
I’m admittedly not great at math, but that projects to an even 100 over the entire season, up from the 79 he managed in 2015 — which was enough to rank him as the best player in the league.
The pressure numbers don’t necessarily equate to a better grade – not all pressures are created equal – and they only represent one area of the game, but they do nicely present Donald’s case as a truly dominant player.
Through four weeks (with Monday Night Football still to be played) there is nobody within three total pressures of Donald league-wide, and he is an interior pass-rusher. Interior rushers typically record less pressure than their edge-rushing counterparts, and even Texans star J.J.
Watt needed to spend significant time outside on the edge to record his ridiculous numbers over the past few seasons. There is no interior player within seven total pressures of Donald right now, and he has spent just 20 of 232 snaps lined up outside of the offensive tackle.
Donald’s pass-rush grade isn’t even in the same stratosphere as any other interior player this season. His 96.1 rating towers above the next-best mark – Jacksonville’s Malik Jackson, with an 82.5 – and his run defense has also been excellent.
While definitely the weaker area of his game so far in 2016, he still has the league’s second-highest run-defense grade of 86.0 among defensive tackles, trailing only Miami’s Ndamukong Suh.
The knock on Donald as a draft prospect was that he was undersized, but it simply hasn’t mattered in the NFL because he sheds blocks better than any defensive tackle in the game.
In a pure test of strength he may come off second-best, but he doesn’t resign himself to the block and allow that to happen, instead using his hands to rid himself of the lineman tasked with blocking him and going after the ball-carrier.
With that ability, his speed and quickness that come from being a smaller player turn into an asset. Take a look at the speed at which he beats his man to start closing on Arizona QB Carson Palmer this week to sack him and force a fumble:
https://media.profootballfocus.com/2016/10/DonaldSack.gif
Donald sheds the block almost instantly at the line, and from that point it’s a test of quickness to see how fast he can get to the quarterback.
It’s definitely fair to say that Donald has yet to face the toughest test in terms of opposing offensive linemen so far in 2016, but looking at the rest of his schedule this season, there aren’t that many on the horizon, either.
He has a second opportunity against three of the sides he has already laid waste to, and while the rest of his schedule gives him some tougher tests, maybe the best interior he faces will be Carolina, and they have had their issues pass blocking this season.
Last season injuries to Watt caused his performance to dip and opened the door for Donald to at least be in the conversation with him as the best defensive player in the game.
PFF graded Donald higher last season, and it was not without controversy. This season Watt was well short of 100 percent for what time he has been on the field, and has now been shut down for the season, so Donald gets a clear path to the limelight his play rightly deserves.
It’s time to stop comparing him to Watt, and just appreciate Donald for what he is: the most dominant player in the game right now.
October 4, 2016 at 12:04 pm #54482Eternal RamnationParticipantStories that should be getting more attention
1) Start the Aaron Donald for Defensive Player of the Year campaign now. If Donald keeps it up, keep him in mind for MVP. The Los Angeles defender is the best player on the field in every Rams game, destroying so many snaps where he never even shows up in the box score. Credit coordinator Gregg Williams for diversifying Donald’s attack this year, using him at defensive end and on increased stunts around the edge. Donald’s Pro Football Focus grade this year is more than double that of any other defensive player.
Perhaps it will take J.J. Watt’s injury and the Rams winning for everyone to realize that Donald is a generational talent. He might have the quickest first step in NFL history for an interior lineman. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000715193/article/week-4-reset-vikings-are-here-to-stay-at-quarter-mark
October 4, 2016 at 7:15 pm #54507InvaderRamModeratormost dominant player in the nfl. that gives me so much satisfaction reading that.
October 4, 2016 at 11:30 pm #54522znModeratorOne reason the L.A. Rams are 3-1? They have the best player in the NFL.
Mike Renner
Within a matter of hours following their season debut on Monday Night Football, the Los Angeles Rams were the laughing stock of the NFL. In prime time they failed to score a single point on offense and surrendered 28 to a Blaine Gabbert-led San Francisco 49ers team. Meanwhile their No. 1 overall pick and supposed future of the franchise, Jared Goff, looked on from the sideline in street clothes.
What’s happened since though has been nearly unexplainable. The Rams have rattled off three straight wins, two coming against divisional rivals Seattle and Arizona who both made the playoffs a season ago. For a head coach that’s been lampooned in the national media for being unable to evolve, the irony is that the Rams owe their current win streak to a shift in coaching philosophy.
That, and the benefit of employing the best player in the entire NFL: Defensive tackle Aaron Donald.
Let’s take a look at the two biggest factors behind the Rams’ surprising 3-1 start, and how the two fit so well together.
A shift in scheme
Instead of inventing new coverage principles, Fisher and company turned back the clock to a tried-and-true defensive scheme from the 1970s.
When Lovie Smith was fired from his head coaching position with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after last season, many thought it signaled the death of the Tampa-2 defense, a scheme in which two safeties are responsible for the two deep zones with the cornerbacks and linebackers responsible for five underneath zones. The truth is that the coverage scheme as a philosophy was already all but abandoned. Tampa Bay was running cover-1 more often than the scheme with the city’s namesake in 2015 as the Tampa-2 accounted for only 29 percent of their coverage – still a much higher rate than anyone else in the league though. The defense that rose to fame when Tony Dungy was hired to the same position 20 years prior was now a coverage employed almost exclusively on third-and-long and end-of-game situations.
That is until Jeff Fisher and defensive coordinator Greg Williams altered their game plans after their Week 1 beatdown. Over the last three games, the Rams have dialed the Tampa-2 on 37.4 percent of their coverage snaps (outside of goal line situations) – the highest rate in the NFL and easily the Rams’ most employed scheme. It would be one thing if the Rams were a middle-of-the-road defense, but the results with it are eye opening. In those three games opposing quarterbacks have attempted 51 passes against the Rams Cover-2 resulting in only 31 completions, 266 yards, zero touchdowns, and two interceptions to show for it. That’s a quarterback rating of 58.1 against the likes Russell Wilson, Jameis Winston and Carson Palmer.
The Tampa-2 fell out of favor because it puts a lot of stress on the coverage abilities of linebackers — responsible for a wide expanse in the middle of the field — against a number of increasingly swift slot receivers and tight ends. Those players in the modern era can cover ground much faster than their predecessors. But this is not much of a problem for the Rams, however. In fact, it’s a perfect fit given their rangy linebacker duo of Alec Ogletree and Mark Barron can only be a good thing. It also alleviates the burden on the secondary after losing cornerback Janoris Jenkins and safety Rodney McLeod in the offseason.
Outside of the coverage aspect, there is still one last thing the defense requires to run properly: a dominant defensive line against both the run and pass. Against the run, keeping both safeties deep means there’s one fewer man in the box and the middle linebacker can’t play nearly as downhill because of his deep coverage responsibilities against play action. Against the pass the Tampa-2 requires defenders to drop to a spot instead of matching up with receivers, making the defense susceptible to spacing issues when certain route combinations pull defenders to the edges of their zones. To counteract this, receivers are jammed at the line of scrimmage to slow down that pulling effect, but the defensive line still needs to be getting home and forcing the ball out quickly, as big holes in the zone will eventually be created.
And that’s where the NFL’s best player comes in.
Donald’s dominance
Lucky enough for the Rams they currently have the single most adept player in the NFL at rushing the passer and stopping the run. And with J.J. Watt out for the season it really isn’t close. The kind of impact defensive tackle Aaron Donald is having snap-to-snap from his spot exclusively between the tackles is unlike anything we’ve ever seen. When I talked about the Rams’ need to force the ball out quickly, it’s Donald who has done just that. He may only have two sacks, but he’s on pace for 100 total pressures on the season and has been unblockable in one-on-one situations. In 10 years of data, Watt’s 2014 season is the only one that’s cracked 100 pressures (119).
The biggest concerns about Donald coming out of college were if he’d be able to hold up against the run with his small stature (6-foot-1, 285 pounds) in the NFL. Those concerns have been proven dead wrong at this point. Even at sub-300 pounds, Donald could likely be one of the best nose tackles in the NFL if he wanted to be and he routinely plays there with 58 of his 232 snaps coming over the center this season. Through four games he’s made a stop on 14.5 percent of his snaps, the third highest rate in the NFL. As mentioned before, stopping the run with the safeties removed from the box is a difficult task for most teams in the NFL. So far, on the 29 carries against the Rams this year where that’s been the case, opposing offenses are averaging only 3.28 yards per carry.
On paper, the Rams defense got worse over the course of the last offseason. On the field, that hasn’t been the case. For that, Los Angeles has coaching and Aaron Donald to thank.
October 4, 2016 at 11:35 pm #54523znModeratorThe kind of impact defensive tackle Aaron Donald is having snap-to-snap from his spot exclusively between the tackles is unlike anything we’ve ever seen.
Donald keeps getting praise…and now people are upping the ante on it.
October 4, 2016 at 11:44 pm #54524ZooeyModeratorI think Gurley is good for 200 yards rushing this Sunday.
(This is the right thread for that comment, right?).
October 22, 2016 at 4:16 am #55762znModeratorAaron Donald’s modest persona obscures crazy talent
Gregg Rosenthal
LONDON — Twelve miles from Windsor Castle in the Surrey countryside, the Los Angeles Rams practiced American football this week in the home of England Rugby. Yet it might as well have been a New Jersey sports bar with all the questions about Odell Beckham Jr.
The fascination with the Giants receiver is understandable. He’s a transformative talent who sells. The fascination is also a shame because an equally excellent player quietly roams these very grounds at Pennyhill Park past the tasteful portraits, fireplaces and ivy walls. Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald, drafted the pick after Beckham in 2014, has already arrived as the league’s most dominant defensive force.
Quiet greatness
Donald is hardly an NFL secret. He backed up his Defensive Rookie of the Year campaign with a 2015 season that ranks among any season authored by a defensive player since the turn of the century, including Darrelle Revis (at his peak) and J.J. Watt.
So what makes him so good?
“Pound for pound, he can generate more power than most anyone in the National Football League,” Rams defensive line coach Mike Waufle said. “He may not have the height but he has the arm length of a 6-foot-5 man. [Donald is an even 6-1.] The strength level is phenomenal. You gotta remember, this guy ran a [4.68] 40 at the combine. The combination of strength, speed and power is the physical part.
“The mental part of it is … We share a meeting room. When I come in, I want to prepare for my meetings. I’m a teacher and I want to prepare my classroom. And I always have to wait for him to get done because he beats me into the classroom.”
There is a general understanding that Donald is a great player. But he still doesn’t get the true national attention and respect as one of the league’s truly transcendent talents. That lack of recongition can be boiled down to three reasons:
1) He’s low-key.
Donald’s not going to give a salacious quote. As laid back off the field as he is ferocious on it, Donald is visibly uncomfortable talking about himself. He steers the conversation back to his team. He talks about what he needs to do better and how early he is in his football journey. Asked to explain to a British audience what makes him so good, Donald wouldn’t bite.
“I’m just a football player. I’m just a guy. There’s nothing special about me,” Donald said Thursday.
If Beckham’s off-field image feels calculated, then Donald’s lack of image is calculated in its own way, too. He doesn’t need the adulation, much less seek it out. There are stories of Donald punishing himself in the weight room just days after the regular season ended. There are stories of Donald throwing down three different opponents on a single play. He’s just not going to be the one to tell you those stories.
Half the questions to Rams coach Jeff Fisher at Thursday’s press conference were about Beckham, in large part because of the Giants receiver’s erratic behavior on the field and his persona off it. You get the sense Donald likes it that way.
“[Beckham’s] an offensive player. It’s an offensive league,” Donald said.
2) His best plays don’t show up in the box score.
The amount of pressure Donald creates from defense tackle laps the competition. Pro Football Focus, which graded Donald the best player in football last year at any position has Donald down for 35 pressures in 2016. The next-closest interior lineman has 23. (A pressure can be a sack, QB hit or hurry.) While Donald only has three sacks this season, he’s more than doubling all other defensive tackles in QB hits.
“I don’t think words can explain what he does for our defense,” cornerback E.J. Gaines said in awe. “I’m just excited to be on the same field as him.”
What stands out from watching Donald’s snaps on Game Pass are the plays he deletes without ever showing up in the box score. A quarterback will rush a throw incomplete or give up on a play when he sees Donald coming. His hits and hurries force mistakes. So many of the plays in the video below are examples of him demolishing a down without getting any conventional credit for it.
Most great defensive linemen aren’t equally great in every situation. Donald is just as effective on third-and-long as he is on first-and-goal. While most defensive linemen love taking down the quarterback best, Donald told me he takes just as much pride in his run-stopping ability.
The stats back him up. Donald’s 21 tackles for a loss on rushing plays since the start of last year are the most at any position. PFF ranked him as the league’s best pass rusher and run stuffer last year at defensive tackle, a feat he’s nearly repeating this season. (He’s currently No. 3 in run defense and leads pass rushing by a mile.)
He is an advanced metrics darling, which doesn’t exactly raise his profile nationally. That brings us to our third reason he’s been overlooked: The jersey he wears.
3) He played for a mediocre team in St. Louis.
The Rams moving to Los Angeles should result in a larger profile for Donald. At least that’s what Waufle believes:
“We’re in L.A. now, not St. Louis. Just give him time.”
The only problem with that theory: The Rams still need to get better around Donald. There’s only going to be so much attention on a defensive tackle on a team that is dealing with the same 7-9 bull—-, no matter where they play.
The fourth quarter of last week’s game against Detroit was a great example of Donald’s uphill battle. In a tight game where the Rams cornerbacks were embarrassed — short two defensive line starters — Donald did everything humanly possible to close the game out.
He hit Matthew Stafford, forcing an incompletion. He had a sack that was overturned by a teammate’s penalty. He stuffed Lions running back Justin Forsett short of the sticks on second-and-1. He hit Stafford again. In a play that can only be properly enjoyed with coaches film, he tossed aside a double team and then grabbed Forsett from behind like an afterschool bully who won’t let some poor freshman get by him. All these plays happened on one drive.
By the time Donald sacked Stafford in a tie game with under two minutes left, I expected the DT to shout to the heavens: “What more do you want from me?!”
Asked about the sequence this week, Donald only expressed regret he couldn’t do more. That’s the trick about being an interior defensive lineman. Sometimes you can only do so much. (See: J.J. Watt’s season on a 2-14 team.) The Lions still hit a long field goal after Donald’s sack. Rams quarterback Case Keenum threw an interception on the ensuing drive. Donald needs more help and there is some reason to believe he’ll get it in London.
A breakout in London?
All of Donald’s hits should start turning into sacks soon enough, with the return of teammate Robert Quinn at defensive end helping matters greatly.It was almost comical to watch how much opponents geared their game plans around Donald the last three weeks in Quinn’s absence.
“I’ve just been getting a lot of attention,” Donald said. “Lot of double teams, a lot of slide protection. It’s going to come. I haven’t had that big game yet this year with three or four sacks, but it’s going to come.”
Waufle echoed the same point.
“You can’t hit a QB in the league and not have a penalty. So he’s hitting the quarterback. You’re talking microseconds. It’s not even a second he’s that far away. This game is funny. It can just like that,” Waulfe said, snapping his fingers. “It can add up fast.”
With Quinn back facing the Giants’ shaky offensive tackles, New York will be forced to slide protection his way at times. Donald excelled even when Quinn was hurt last year, but the two players on the field at the same time offers a different dynamic. It was only three seasons ago that Quinn was the Defensive Player of the Year candidate.
Watching the two pass rushers side by side makes running back Todd Gurley into a regular fanboy.
“It surprises me every game. It’s like ‘Damn, did they just do that?’ On third down, (Aaron) and Rob, it’s just ridiculous. It’s scary,” Gurley said.
Donald noted that his opponent Sunday, Giants right guard Justin Pugh, is a familiar foe from their college guys. Pugh has shorter arms and Donald expressed confidence in the matchup in the least trash-talking way possible.
That’s just Donald’s (lack of) style. Now in his third season, he’s on a trajectory to be another legendary Rams defensive lineman, updating the franchise’s proud Fearsome Foursome history in Los Angeles. Waufle believes that Donald is cut in the same mold of former Vikings defensive tackle John Randle and former Buc Warren Sapp, two other short defensive tackles who wound up in Canton.
Donald has the type of talent that doesn’t come along often, the type of talent Fisher calls “special” despite Donald’s protests, the type of talent that eventually will be recognized as that of the best defensive player in football. Waufle saw it from Day 1.
“The first meeting, I turned around and I said to him: ‘I’m going to say a lot of things in this classroom. Don’t listen to any of them. You just get lined up and you play like you play. I don’t want to change you one bit.’ “
October 22, 2016 at 4:21 am #55763znModeratorDonald vid referred to in the last article (the Rosenthal).
http://www.nfl.com/videos/los-angeles-rams/0ap3000000724805/A-quarter-in-the-life-of-Aaron-Donald
October 22, 2016 at 6:43 am #55765InvaderRamModeratori don’t think pff has ever graded the best seasons of randle and sapp, but i wonder how they compare.
also. the rams need to put a defense around him worthy of his greatness. for starters it’d be nice if quinn could stay healthy.
November 9, 2016 at 6:35 pm #57343znModeratorSimmons
HOW GOOD IS DONALD?
Defensive tackle Aaron Donald registered another stellar performance in Sunday’s game, recording 2.0 sacks and three tackles for loss. It’s the kind of performance Donald has put up week after week, which is why he’s part of the conversation of being perhaps the best defensive player in the league — regardless of position.
“I’d vote for him. There are a lot of good defensive players in the league right now,” Fisher said. “Obviously, I’m a lot closer to him than anybody else is, but when you watch the things that he does, it’s really remarkable. We’ll see what happens, he needs to finish strong the second half of the year.”
“He’s definitely getting better every year that he’s been in the league,” Ogletree said. “He was doing some of the same stuff he’s doing now as a rookie, but he’s understanding a lot more [how offenses] want to block him. I feel like his first couple of years, he was playing off pure talent and making plays. But now, he’s becoming more mentally into the game, and understanding a lot of stuff.”
According to the Rams’ internal stats, Donald leads the team with 5.0 sacks, 25 quarterback pressures, and 15 quarterback hits. All of those numbers are fairly outrageous for an interior player halfway through the season.
“The best way I can describe is just consistent week after week after week,” Fisher said. “The tackles for losses and the pressure that he’s putting on the passer, the hits on the quarterbacks — they’re just consistent week after week. It’s amazing to see him play at that level every single play — come out, catch his breath, go back in and make another play.”
And from what Ogletree described, playing with Donald in front of you is probably just as fun as you’d think it is.
“It helps me out a lot because I know they have to worry about him so much, and if they don’t get a hand on him, he’s going to pretty much destroy the play before anybody else,” Ogletree said. “So it helps me out a lot just being able to work off him and also do my job, too.”
November 9, 2016 at 6:44 pm #57346joemadParticipantAaron Donald is fucking great………
I watched the replay of the Carolina game last night….. pass rush was very effective with some key sacks to kill drives and put Carolina out of FG range….
.. once the Rams get the running game rolling at an optimal level they will be very dangerous…..
the past few years the Rams have had a late season meaningless game run… this year, the games are not meaningless YET…. still a chance to win the division……, but I think they start a mini win streak this week against the J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS JETS….
November 12, 2016 at 2:23 pm #57947znModeratorRams defensive coordinator Gregg Williams: Aaron Donald ‘does things I cannot coach’
JACK WANG
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/donald-735217-rams-defensive.html
THOUSAND OAKS – Geno Atkins. Gerald McCoy. John Randle.
Those are just three of the players Aaron Donald was compared to before and during his rookie season – a trifecta that has combined for 15 Pro Bowls. Halfway through his third season, it’s clear that the Rams’ star defensive tackle could end his career as the best of the bench.
Which is why defensive coordinator Gregg Williams never took the bait. In 2014, the media pestered him for comparisons; he declined. In 2015, he did so again. On Friday, he explained that he had done so to allow Donald – now arguably the best player in the NFL – to chart a path for himself.
“He is his own guy, and he does things I cannot coach,” Williams said. “I can help, maybe speed up a decision, but he has instincts that are rare.
“Not only does he have athletic ability and strength, height and weight and things, but he has instincts that you don’t come around very much. He’s been playing very well, especially as emphasis on offensive protections and emphasis in blocking schemes are going towards him, he’s still being able to find a way to beat it.”
Donald’s impact on the game wasn’t fully captured through the first three weeks of the season, when he went without a sack despite generating constant pressure on the pocket. That’s changed since the start of October. He broke the drought with 1.5 sacks in a road win over the Cardinals, a total he matched again through his next two outings.
Last Sunday, the Rams lost despite his brilliance. Against the Panthers, Donald notched two sacks, both of which could’ve made a difference if the offense had been more capable. His first – on third-and-9 at the Rams’ 30 – dropped quarterback Cam Newton back 10 yards, knocking Carolina out of field-goal range. The second, early in the fourth quarter, forced the Panthers to settle for three points – and likely would’ve caused a fumble on almost anyone other than Newton.
“Just consistent week after week after week,” Rams coach Jeff Fisher said of Donald. “The tackles for losses and the pressure that he’s putting on the passer, the hits on the quarterbacks, they’re just consistent week after week. It’s amazing to see him play at that level every single play – come out, catch his breath, go back in and make another play.”
Donald began his career by becoming the Defensive Rookie of the Year and making back-to-back Pro Bowls. At 25 years old, can he officially claim the title of being the league’s top defensive player?
The absence of injured Texans star J.J. Watt, who claimed the award in three of the past four seasons, helps Donald’s chances. But also in the race with the Rams’ defensive lineman are such players as Broncos linebacker Von Miller – who has 9.5 sacks – and Kansas City cornerback Marcus Peters, who has a league-high five interceptions.
“I’d vote for him,” Fisher said of Donald. “There are a lot of good defensive players in the league right now. Obviously, I’m a lot closer to him than anybody else is, but when you watch the things that he does, it’s really remarkable. We’ll see what happens.”
November 12, 2016 at 3:46 pm #57960InvaderRamModeratori can only imagine how donald would look with a healthy quinn.
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