the Rams offense & the longer passing game

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  • #4737
    Avatar photozn
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    Right here, I am jumping on a favorite hobby horse and riding it hard.

    We keep hearing around, here and there, that the Schott offense is horizontal and is built around short passes. A big Miklasz article supported that view, and in turn that was based on a Advanced Football Analytics article. I argued before that that view is flawed. It’s based too much on 2013, and 2013 has a lot of circumstances you have to account for (Richardson, Clemens). I argued a lot before that 2012 shows you better what this offense will be, and that yes it includes (in fact counts on) a lot of downfield shots. (PFF shows that of all the qbs in 2012, Bradford ranked 9th in PERCENTAGE of passes that are thrown 20 yards or more. He was 7th in the NUMBER of those passes thrown. That’s just one metric. There are other metrics demonstrating this.)

    Well after the last 2 games,there can be no doubt IMO. The Rams passing game will be stretching the field this year, more like 2012 than 2013. And they were all doing it too–Bradford, Hill, Davis.

    So my view is that this will not be a run run run offense. It won’t be that and never was going to be that. It won’t be a short passing game either, and again was never going to be that. There will be this equation where they establish a running threat and control the ball and clock with safe passes, but that will go hand in hand with attacking downfield–using play action and other means to throw 20-40 yarders at a fairly high rate.

    I mean how can a team perform so well on 3rd and long against a good defense unless it has determined long ago they will exploit those ranges in the passing game. And not all the longer passes yesterday were on 3rd and long–3rd and long is just an example. They are not only going to push the ball downfield this year–and Fisher has said all along this summer they will–they are determined to be good at it.

    I have also said before that the missing element in the Rams passing attack has been the medium range pass, not the long passes. I think they are fixing THAT this year, finally.

    So this is one of the things I have been saying–basing your view of this offense on 2013 without accounting for the circumstances that made 2013 different means you really don’t see what this offense is about.

    I know most here on this board see all that, but out there, the Miklasz view is pretty common.

    #4746
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i kind of agree with that. i think they’ll pick their spots. they won’t be wide open, but they’ll certainly pick their spots to go downfield. i don’t know if that means they’ll be an aggressive downfield offense.

    on the nfl spectrum of offenses, they will tend to be on the conservative side whatever that means. they’ll be more seahawks than packers.

    #4749
    Avatar photozn
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    i kind of agree with that. i think they’ll pick their spots. they won’t be wide open, but they’ll certainly pick their spots to go downfield. i don’t know if that means they’ll be an aggressive downfield offense.

    on the nfl spectrum of offenses, they will tend to be on the conservative side whatever that means. they’ll be more seahawks than packers.

    I think it will be a mix. It’s an equation. A plus B. A = power running & ball control passing. B = downfield shots, designed big plays of all types, play action.

    A and B won’t be equal in numbers, but they will be equal in importance. They want to do both things, one goes hand in hand with the other, and the downfield shots won’t just be picking their spots…they will go into games intending to do this. They won’t take their shots they will set their shots up.

    I am also saying this is nothing new. It’s how they did things in 2012 also. But, in 2012 they didn’t have the receivers they do now.

    #4779
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i was very encouraged by britt and quick.

    that could change things for sure.

    #4782
    cgsuddeath
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    Thank you.As usual,there are a lot sensationalist journalism going on the drive home a ridiculously flawed point of view.

    #4787
    Avatar photowv
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    Well, without commenting on past-history
    and what it was and what it meant, etc,
    It sure looks like EVERY team is gonna
    go downfield more with these new rules
    limiting the Defensive-Backs.

    I mean a coach would have to be nutz
    not to air it out NOW.

    I’m expecting a great air-show in game One…
    from ‘every’ team.

    w
    v

    #4793
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    good point wv. things should open up more for everyone.

    #4794
    Avatar photozn
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    Well, without commenting on past-history
    and what it was and what it meant, etc,
    It sure looks like EVERY team is gonna
    go downfield more with these new rules
    limiting the Defensive-Backs.

    I mean a coach would have to be nutz
    not to air it out NOW.

    I’m expecting a great air-show in game One…
    from ‘every’ team.

    w
    v

    Okay. But what I am saying is, they were already doing it. That was the Schott offense all along. Before 2014.

    The numbers get buried in 2013 because of Richardson (if you can’t run the D takes away big plays) and Clemens (if you can’t throw em you don’t throw em.)

    good point wv. things should open up more for everyone.

    Well, again though, IR–regardless what everyone else is doing in 2014, my point is that the Rams were already doing this in 2012. So to me the Rams in 2014 are nothing new.

    #4815
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    no yeah. i agree. even with bradford out. i expect the rams to go downfield more than even 2012 if quick and britt are legit. rules or not. very similar to when they had danario. having a big target like those two going up for those balls should be effective.

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