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  • #43820
    bnw
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    In fact he did more than discover the city. He predicted it. That is so cool and simply outstanding.

    Star pupil finds lost Mayan city by studying ancient charts of the night sky from his bedroom

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/10/canadian-teenager-discovers-ancient-mayan-city-lost-in-jungles-o/

    Telegraph Reporters
    10 MAY 2016 • 8:49AM

    A Canadian schoolboy appears to have discovered a lost Mayan city hidden deep in the jungles of Mexico using a new method of matching stars to the location of temples on earth.

    William Gadoury, 15, was fascinated by the ancient Central American civilization and spent hours poring over diagrams of constellations and maps of known Mayan cities.

    And then he made a startling realisation: the two appeared to be linked.

    Reaching the city will not be easy. It is in one of the most remote and inaccessible areas of Mexico and an archaeological mission would be costly.

    “I was really surprised and excited when I realised that the most brilliant stars of the constellations matched the largest Maya cities,” he told the Journal de Montréal.

    In hundreds of years of scholarship, no other scientist had ever found such a correlation.

    Studying 22 different constellations, William found that they matched the location of 117 Mayan cities scattered throughout Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.

    When he applied his theory to a 23rd constellation, he found that two of the stars already had cities linked to them but that the third star was unmatched.

    William took to Google Maps and projected that there must be another city hidden deep in the thick jungles of the Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico.

    The Canadian Space Agency agreed to train its satellite telescopes on the spot and returned with striking pictures: what appears to be an ancient Mayan pyramid and dozens of smaller structures around it.

    If the satellite photographs are verified, the city would be among the largest Mayan population centers ever discovered.

    It fell to William to christen the new city and he chose the name K’aak Chi, meaning Fire Mouth, and the teenager said he hoped to one day see the ruins with his own eyes.

    “It would be the culmination of my three years of work and the dream of my life,” he said. He became interested in the Mayans after reading about their predictions that the world would end in 2012.

    “It’s always about money. Expedition costs are horribly expensive,” said Dr. Armand LaRocque, a specialist at the University of New Brunswick.

    Scientists said they were astonished by the discovery and that it had been made by someone so young.

    “What is fascinating about the project of William, is the depth of his research,” said Daniel de Lisle.

    “Linking the position of stars and the location of a lost city and the use of satellite images on a tiny territory to identify the remains buried under dense vegetation, is quite exceptional.”

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    #43832
    zn
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    Yes, that’s a great story.

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    #43857
    Zooey
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    It is astonishing enough that cities were sited based on constellations of the stars. I mean…the rest of the humans based where they lived on access to resources that made living more comfortable. The Mayans studied the stars and said, “Well, we need cities here, here, and here.” That’s amazing.

    A fifteen year old figured that out?

    Wow.

    I was in the wrong field. I was trying to find correlations between baseball statistics and girls when I was fifteen.

    #43861
    bnw
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    It is odd the siting of cities based upon constellations but makes sense with the Mayans given their known astronomical knowledge. Perhaps it was some sort of religious observance? Regarding necessary resources they were in a place where it didn’t matter much given the climate and rainfall throughout the region.

    I wonder how did the kid settle on a starting point to reference the various constellations on the ground? Perhaps the largest known or presumed capitol city?

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    #43864
    bnw
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    I was in the wrong field. I was trying to find correlations between baseball statistics and girls when I was fifteen.

    Ah but you did. Think of all those times you struck out.

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    #43867
    zn
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    It is odd the siting of cities based upon constellations but makes sense with the Mayans given their known astronomical knowledge. Perhaps it was some sort of religious observance? Regarding necessary resources they were in a place where it didn’t matter much given the climate and rainfall throughout the region.

    I wonder how did the kid settle on a starting point to reference the various constellations on the ground? Perhaps the largest known or presumed capitol city?

    Since I posted on this I have been reading people who are saying it’s not legit.

    This may not be a real story.

    Up until I read that more critical stuff, my thoughts were similar to yours on this.

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    #43870
    bnw
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    Uh oh.

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    #43874
    Zooey
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    It appears that the question is whether it’s actually a city or not. I think the rest of the story is accurate.

    There appears to be some question as to what the Mayan constellations actually were, for one thing. As far as they can tell, Scorpio is the only one shared with our constellation identities. So it isn’t even certain that there “is” a constellation.

    Secondly, there is no evidence yet that there is a city there, and even if there is, it wouldn’t necessarily be significant since the Mayan peninsula was densely populated, and there were structures all over the place.

    So it isn’t a question of fraud, at least. Just a bit of academic caution being exercised.

    #43898
    zn
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    So it isn’t a question of fraud, at least. Just a bit of academic caution being exercised.

    Agreed.

    Teen Probably Didn’t Unearth an Ancient Mayan City Using Star Maps

    http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/05/excellent-teen-unearths-possible-ancient-mayan-city-using-star-maps.html?mid=facebook_nymag

    Sadly, the feel-good/feel-embarrassed-about-how-little-you’ve-accomplished story of a Canadian 15-year-old discovering a previously undiscovered Mayan city isn’t quite as impressive as first hoped.

    The tale, as it went viral (and as we originally wrote it), was simple: Canadian 15-year-old William Gadoury thought he’d found an abandoned Mayan city deep in the heart of Mexico’s Yucatan Peninsula. Using star maps, Gadoury discovered that 22 major Mayan cities correlated with the brightest stars in constellations. He was the first person, teen or otherwise, to use this method, the Telegraph reported, and using the location he determined from the third star, Gadoury connected with the Canadian Space Agency, who sent the teen satellite images showing visible geometric shapes consistent with a lost city. Gadoury (as well as Dr. Armand Larocque, a remote sensing specialist from the University of New Brunswick) believes it’s a central Mayan pyramid, with several other nearby structures.

    Sadly, Larocque’s endorsement wasn’t shared by the academic community. Since this story was first published, several skeptics have voiced concerns with Gadoury’s potential discovery. “This current news story of an ancient Maya city being discovered is false,” David Stuart, an anthropologist from The Mesoamerica Center-University of Texas at Austin, wrote on Facebook.

    The whole thing is a mess – a terrible example of junk science hitting the internet in free-fall. The ancient Maya didn’t plot their ancient cities according to constellations. Seeing such patterns is a rorschach process, since sites are everywhere, and so are stars. The square feature that was found on Google Earth is indeed man-made, but it’s an old fallow cornfield, or milpa.

    We’ve reached out to Stuart and will update this post further if we hear back. IO9 has also updated its post with quotes from other Mayan experts, who agree that the corn field is most likely a milpa. UC San Diego Anthropology professor Geoffrey Braswell explained via email that the zones shown in Gadoury’s images are “places that are well known to archaeologists who work in the area” and that the images are “not of Maya pyramids.” But he did also say one of the sites could contain “active marijuana fields,” so at least there’s that.

    #43924
    bnw
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    Bummer. Now the grave robbers will still have to stumble upon sites like the rest of us.

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