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    “….Republican strategist Steve Schmidt — senior advisor for Sen. John McCain’s 2008 presidential bid and campaign manager for Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s 2006 reelection — articulated it during an MSNBC postmortem Tuesday night: “The tone is disgusting” on much of talk radio and some cable TV.
    “This cancer has spread and the tone has infested the whole Republican Party,” Schmidt said. It has been echoing for years, he continued, and “you arrive at this moment.”…”
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    Well, i dunno if I’d agree that rightwing-radio has caused
    an acceptance of uncivil talk and twitter has caused a shortening of attention span, and both have paved the way for Trump.

    I dunno what lead to Trump, but I know part of it is simply that the Rep Party has been holding some very different factions together for a long time. And now some of those factions are splitting apart. I suspect some of the rightwing supporters who liked Ross Perot, are the ones supporting Trump now.

    Somebody interviewed on npr today mentioned that Trump is like a ‘white board’ in that people see in him whatever they want to see.

    NPR talked about Hillary and Trump all morning, btw. No mention of Bernie at all. I went to his rally in Morgantown yesterday and there were a couple of thousand folks there. His speech was the best political speech I’ve ever heard in person.
    Whats the best pol speech you ever heard ?
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    Btw, Bernie was asked about the Republican’s popularity among the poor people of McDowell County, WV:

    http://wvpublic.org/post/sanders-winning-back-wva-working-class-you-gotta-make-stand

    “…why he thought the GOP was gaining popularity in low-income areas such as McDowell County, where he is visiting today.

    “Now, if I lived in McDowell County and the unemployment rate was sky-high, and I saw my kid get addicted to opiates and go to jail, there were no jobs, you know what? I would be looking at Washington and saying ‘what are you guys doing for me?’ And I’m going to look for an alternative,” Sanders said.

    “The Democratic Party must make a stand, and the stand is that you cannot be on the side of Wall Street. You cannot be on the side of that pharmaceutical industry — which, by the way, charges our people the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs — you gotta make a stand. And the stand we gotta make is the stand with the people in McDowell County, W.Va., and poor people and working people all over this country…

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    …..You know when we talk about poverty, Steve, we often think, well, it’s too bad somebody can’t afford a flat-screen TV, or go out to eat. But what poverty is really about is that we have millions of people who are living — who are dying at ages much, much younger than they should. In McDowell County, where we’re going tomorrow, the average life expectancy for men in that county is 64 years of age. Sixty-four years of age.

    And yet you go a six-hour drive to Fairfax County, Va. — six-hour drive — a man can expect to live until the age of 82 years of age, 18 years longer than men in McDowell County…”

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    …The question is, why is somebody with Donald Trump’s perspective appealing to Democrats?

    That gets back to the question we talked about at the beginning of this conversation. Has the Democratic Party, has the leadership made the case that they are standing there, fighting for the poor people of McDowell County, or the working people of Indiana, or of New Mexico, or of California? Have they stood up and said that “maybe we gotta take on the billionaire class, maybe it’s wrong that the top one-tenth of 1 percent now owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent, maybe we should not be getting significant sums of money from Wall Street or from the pharmaceutical industry that charge us the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs,” you know, “maybe we’ve gotta stand with the people who for the last 20 or 30 years have seen a decline in their standard of living”?

    You know, those are the issues that the Democratic Party has got to ask itself. And I think when it does, and it makes it clear that they are prepared to take on the big-money interests, I think the Democratic Party will do just fine — and that’s kind of what this campaign is about.

    INSKEEP: Sen. Sanders, thanks very much

    SANDERS: Thank you very much Steve. Take care.
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    wv wrote: “I dunno what lead to Trump, but I know part of it is simply that the Rep Party has been holding some very different factions together for a long time. And now some of those factions are splitting apart. I suspect some of the rightwing supporters who liked Ross Perot, are the ones supporting Trump now.”

    Multiple factions are not involved. The pundits like to claim that but they as shown for the last year are out of touch with the conservative base of the party. The base is fed up with RINOs campaigning as conservative to get into office. This nation’s economy is in the shitter. Conservatives are tired of being somewhat accommodated on social issues while the economy is destroyed. To keep voting for the same would be to reaffirm the RINO supposition that conservative are brain dead. Of course it remains a great economy around DC and pols of both parties enter as middle class congressmen and after a few terms exit as multimillionaires usually staying in DC to become lobbyists desiring to further destroy the economy. Conservatives see this and are fed up. I believe the same dynamic is in play with the democrats supporting Bernie. How brain dead do you have to be to be a union member still voting for the democrat party? It is astonishing how lemming like they are while unions are being decimated. Same for blacks voting democrat that care about jobs. Obama has been the worst for job creation and with his flooding this country with illegal aliens who are overwhelmingly unskilled the stiff competition for entry level jobs will only result in ever lower wages. Trump is an outsider. He highlighted issues that directly effect the workers in this country that are watching their real income fall consistently while worrying if their job is secure since they don’t see job opportunities to replace the wage they have. Obamacare is a disaster for the individual that lost their previous healthcare insurance because of it and it is a disaster to the budget. Conservatives see crystal clear that SOTH Paul Ryan immediately rolled over to pass it. Trump calls it like it is that the War on Iraq was because of a lie told to the people and that it has been a horrific failure. The TPP like NAFTA and GATT before it place the economic burden on working americans while Wall St. and the beltway crowd profits. There’s more but you get the idea. I would say Trump’s campaign thus far has been far more in line with Pat Buchanan’s presidential campaigns as well as Ross Perot.

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    “… I would say Trump’s campaign thus far has been far more in line with Pat Buchanan’s presidential campaigns as well as Ross Perot.”

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    Could be. I can definitely see a lot of Perot and Pat Buchanan people
    supporting Trump.

    Thing is, Buchanan didnt get the numbers Trump is getting. So, why the change? Same question i have about Bernie. Why now?

    Very interesting election.

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    Well, i dunno if I’d agree that rightwing-radio has caused
    an acceptance of uncivil talk and twitter has caused a shortening of attention span, and both have paved the way for Trump.

    I dunno what lead to Trump, but I know part of it is simply that the Rep Party has been holding some very different factions together for a long time. And now some of those factions are splitting apart. I suspect some of the rightwing supporters who liked Ross Perot, are the ones supporting Trump now.

    Somebody interviewed on npr today mentioned that Trump is like a ‘white board’ in that people see in him whatever they want to see.

    NPR talked about Hillary and Trump all morning, btw. No mention of Bernie at all. I went to his rally in Morgantown yesterday and there were a couple of thousand folks there. His speech was the best political speech I’ve ever heard in person.
    Whats the best pol speech you ever heard ?
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    I believe talk radio made it possible for Trump to speak the way he does. I posted that theory about three months ago, and I still think so. I am surprised you would even doubt it.

    I think that blaming Twitter for short attention spans is false, though. People have always searched around for some reason to explain why everyone else is stupid, and 10 years ago, it would have been “sound bite culture” to blame.

    I think Trump is the natural harvest for what that party has sown over the past 50 years, but particularly since the rise of Atwater and Limbaugh.

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    “… I would say Trump’s campaign thus far has been far more in line with Pat Buchanan’s presidential campaigns as well as Ross Perot.”

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    Could be. I can definitely see a lot of Perot and Pat Buchanan people
    supporting Trump.

    Thing is, Buchanan didnt get the numbers Trump is getting. So, why the change? Same question i have about Bernie. Why now?

    Very interesting election.

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    Buchanan’s 2000 campaign is almost exactly Trump’s now. The difference is 16 more years of across the board decline and Buchanan ran as the Reform Party candidate in 2000. Trump was willing to campaign on the issues that the professional candidates wouldn’t touch because they were taking money from interests wanting to maintain the status quo.

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