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  • #33599
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    Catch percentage

    This is for every WR and TE who has been with the Rams both years, and has had 20 or more targets.

    2014:

    Tavon Austin 70.5%
    Stedman Bailey 65.2%
    Kenny Britt 57.1%
    Jared Cook 52.5%
    Lance Kendricks 71.1%
    Brian Quick 64.1%

    2015

    Tavon Austin 61.5%
    Stedman Bailey 47.6%
    Kenny Britt 46.2%
    Jared Cook 54.3%
    Lance Kendricks 56.3%
    Brian Quick 40.0%

    Bizarrely enough, Cook has actually gotten better.

    TOTALS:

    2015: 53.5%
    2014: 60.8%

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    #32795
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    Looking just at drops now (not catch percentage)…Kendricks, Britt, and Cook all fell off from where they even were last year.

    If even one of them steps back up, it gets better.

    The positive thing is that they WERE better last year, there’s something there.

    Just one example: drop percentage. The difference between 2014 and 2015 is just eye-catching bad.

    Britt
    2015, 9.1%
    2014, 2.4%

    Cook
    2015, 10.7%
    2014, 5.1%

    Kendricks
    2015, 14.3%
    2104, 2.6%

    #32796
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    Looking just at drops now (not catch percentage)…Kendricks, Britt, and Cook all fell off from where they even were last year.

    i can forgive kendricks. playing with a bad thumb has got to be hard.

    cook and britt are dead to me.

    gotta start giving bailey and quick more playing time.

    #32803
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Looking just at drops now (not catch percentage)…Kendricks, Britt, and Cook all fell off from where they even were last year.

    We had ZERO drops in the first game.

    Agamemnon

    #32804
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    i can forgive kendricks. playing with a bad thumb has got to be hard.

    cook and britt are dead to me.

    gotta start giving bailey and quick more playing time.

    They are Z-WRs, ZOMBIES.

    Agamemnon

    #32807
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i really do think they’re better off finding out what they have in bailey and quick.

    they are what they are. cook and britt.

    #32809
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    i really do think they’re better off finding out what they have in bailey and quick.

    they are what they are. cook and britt.

    I don’t think Bailey and Austin have any drops. I think if they involve Britt and Quick early in the game it might help them. Get them more into the game and improve their concentration and focus. They will trade Cook for a bag of chips. 😉

    Agamemnon

    #32820
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    I don’t think Bailey and Austin have any drops.

    Correct. Bailey and Austin have no drops.

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    #32822
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    Maybe draft a WR high next year?
    Maybe sign a solid Vet WR ?

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    #32824
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Maybe draft a WR high next year?
    Maybe sign a solid Vet WR ?

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    I don’t know, wv. Maybe Mohamed Sanu or Alshon Jeffery as FAs? Maybe Boyd, Treadwell, Doctson in the draft? I am sure the Rams are checking out WRs.

    http://theramshuddle.com/topic/2016-draft-preview-qbs/#post-30109

    Agamemnon

    #32829
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    they shoulda picked alshon not quick.

    #32831
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    Maybe draft a WR high next year?
    Maybe sign a solid Vet WR ?

    Unless, as I suggested, a guy or 2 returns to form. For example, Kendricks led them in catch percentage for 3 straight years (2012-14). This recent drops thing is actually unusual for him.

    There is not doom in EVERYTHING.

    Sometimes, some stuff gets better.

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    #32833
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    Maybe draft a WR high next year?
    Maybe sign a solid Vet WR ?

    Unless, as I suggested, a guy or 2 returns to form. For example, Kendricks led them in catch percentage for 3 straight years (2012-14). This recent drops thing is actually unusual for him.

    There is not doom in EVERYTHING.

    Sometimes, some stuff gets better.

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    Even if some guys do return to form getting another WR may not be a bad idea. As Cosell says somewhere below, the Rams receiving group is pretty average and they lack a true number one WR.

    #32834
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    Even if some guys do return to form getting another WR may not be a bad idea. As Cosell says somewhere below, the Rams receiving group is pretty average and they lack a true number one WR.

    Except it looks better when Kendricks and Quick are performing, Cook gets his career average, and there’s pass protection.

    (Career avg. on Cook isn’t good but he’s worse now. In 2013 it was 0.375 drops per game, in 2014 it was 0.3125 drops per game, in 2015 so far it’s 0.6 drops per game…his avg. has doubled over what it was the last 2 years.)

    Cosell, remember, is not a Rams historian. Last year he didn’t complain about the receivers. This year, he doesn’t recall what he said last year about the Rams receivers, though. It’s a thing where recent impressions become more absolute.

    I am not against getting a receiver, but I am interested in the fact that so many look worse than usual at the same time. Honestly, what are the odds that 4 WRs/TEs all show career worst problems all at the same time? What that suggests to me is that the problem may not be the players. There’s something else going on.

    And I don’t have any idea what that could be, except that last time there was a drops epidemic involving several players was in 2011. New system and not feeling comfortable.

    It may also be that catching passes from Foles in practices and in games isn’t the same, which hints at an adjustment period as they all get on the same page.

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    #32835
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    Even if some guys do return to form getting another WR may not be a bad idea. As Cosell says somewhere below, the Rams receiving group is pretty average and they lack a true number one WR.

    Except it looks better when Kendricks and Quick are performing, Cook gets his career average, and there’s pass protection.

    (Career avg. on Cook isn’t good but he’s worse now. In 2013 it was 0.375 drops per game, in 2014 it was 0.3125 drops per game, in 2015 so far it’s 0.6 drops per game…his avg. has doubled over what it was the last 2 years.)

    Cosell, remember, is not a Rams historian. Last year he didn’t complain about the receivers. This year, he doesn’t recall what he said last year about the Rams receivers, though. It’s a thing where recent impressions become more absolute.

    I am not against getting a receiver, but I am interested in the fact that so many look worse than usual at the same time. Honestly, what are the odds that 4 WRs/TEs all show career worst problems all at the same time? What that suggests to me is that the problem may not be the players. There’s something else going on.

    And I don’t have any idea what that could be, except that last time there was a drops epidemic involving several players was in 2011. New system and not feeling comfortable.

    It may also be that catching passes from Foles in practices and in games isn’t the same, which hints at an adjustment period as they all get on the same page.

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    You seem to be very invested in the Rams not getting better at receiver?

    Why?

    What do you stand to gain if the Rams’ passing game doesn’t improve?

    #32837
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    ou seem to be very invested in the Rams not getting better at receiver?

    Why?

    I am a very longterm Ram fan going back to the days of Pat Ferragamo and Vince Haden and Deacon Youngblood.

    I don’t like what you’re insinuating. I bleed Rams maroon and blue.

    On the grave of Trent Warner, I swear my longterm diehard-ism.

    There that good enough for you Mr. Insinuations?

    #32842
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i really do think they’re better off finding out what they have in bailey and quick.

    they are what they are. cook and britt.

    I don’t think Bailey and Austin have any drops. I think if they involve Britt and Quick early in the game it might help them. Get them more into the game and improve their concentration and focus. They will trade Cook for a bag of chips.

    yeah. bailey, austin, and quick. this is who they should focus on. and kendricks when he comes back.

    i don’t hate britt. but i don’t think he’ll ever be anything more than what he is. cook? yeah. get rid of.

    at the end of the year reevaluate and see if someone else needs to be brought in.

    #33506
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    from off the net

    gqscholar

    Rams drops the ball at a rate of 7 percent which ties them with the panthers for biggest drop percentage in the NFL.

    http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-receiver-drops-percentage/2015/

    Seattle who the Rams seems to be trying to copy, drops balls at one of the lowest rates 1.8.

    Seattle receivers are nothing great but at least they hold onto the ball. The rams really need to hit the market hard next year for guys that can catch.

    #33600
    Avatar photowv
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    Catch percentage

    This is for every WR and TE who has been with the Rams both years, and has had 20 or more targets.

    2014:

    Tavon Austin 70.5%
    Stedman Bailey 65.2%
    Kenny Britt 57.1%
    Jared Cook 52.5%
    Lance Kendricks 71.1%
    Brian Quick 64.1%

    2015

    Tavon Austin 61.5%
    Stedman Bailey 47.6%
    Kenny Britt 46.2%
    Jared Cook 54.3%
    Lance Kendricks 56.3%
    Brian Quick 40.0%

    Somethin aint right about those numbers —
    tavon has better percentages than Stedman?
    We ‘know’ Stedman has better hands.

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    #33603
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ben-frederickson/benfred-rams-offense-having-hard-time-hanging-on/article_4fe73635-2f53-5c06-b4e4-cf80ea9de8c4.html

    BenFred: Rams offense having hard time hanging on
    3 hours ago • By Ben Frederickson

    It’s not an epidemic, Rams coach Jeff Fisher said.

    But it sure seems pervasive.

    Fisher’s team is having a heck of a time holding on to the football.

    “They don’t drop the ball on purpose,” Fisher said this week. “If it keeps happening, you have to start making changes. But, I’m not concerned. The guys are practicing well. They’re catching the ball consistently in games. They’ve become more glaring in close games.”

    Not just drops. Fumbles, too. Both have been hurting an offense that can’t afford to shoot itself in the hands.

    Wide receivers Kenny Britt and Tavon Austin became the latest victims last Sunday.

    Britt muffed a grab on a 3rd-and-4 during the Rams’ first drive. What would have been a deep completion down the left sideline instead turned into a punt.

    Austin, who was brilliant and scored two touchdowns in the win, overcame a first-half fumble at the end of a 24-yard catch and run.

    “Obviously, Kenny’s was a huge play,” Fisher said. “It was a huge opportunity for a big field position change, and then Tavon’s, which in essence they considered a fumble, was kind of between. It was a fumble-drop. Obviously, we have to do a better job of that.”

    The Rams often play music during practice. I suggest a catchy playlist. “Hold Me” by Whitney Houston. “Hold On” by the Alabama Shakes. “Don’t Let Go” by Weezer. I’m sure there are enough other sure-handed hits to make a mix CD for the Rams’ trip to Minnesota this weekend.

    The Rams enter their game against the Vikings having dropped 13 of 124 catchable passes, according to STATS LLC. That’s 10.5 percent, which is second-worst in the league. Carolina (11.4 percent) is the only team that has dropped more catchable passes.

    Britt, running back Benny Cunningham and tight end Jared Cook lead the pack with three drops apiece, according to SportingCharts.com. Tight end Lance Kendricks has two. Receivers Stedman Bailey and Brian Quick each have one.

    The Rams rank only slightly better when it comes to fumbles. They’ve fumbled 10 times in 597 touches, which means they’ve fumbled on 1.68 percent of their touches. That ranks fourth-worst in the league, according to STATS LLC. Cleveland, Arizona and Buffalo are the only teams that put the ball on the ground more often.

    Rams quarterback Nick Foles has fumbled four times, losing two. Austin has fumbled twice, losing one. Cook and running back Tre Mason lost their only fumbles. Former running back Isaiah Pead’s only fumble might have cost him his roster spot. Gurley has fumbled once, but the Rams recovered.

    Drops happen. Fumbles happen. But they’re happening to St. Louis too often.

    If the Rams want to keep rolling, an offense that ranks near the bottom in yards per game (30th), points per game (28th) and time of possession per game (28th) can’t afford to let opportunities slip through its fingertips.

    Agamemnon

    #33609
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    Somethin aint right about those numbers —
    tavon has better percentages than Stedman?
    We ‘know’ Stedman has better hands.

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    But, it;s true.

    #33611
    Avatar photoEternal Ramnation
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    Catch percentage

    This is for every WR and TE who has been with the Rams both years, and has had 20 or more targets.

    2014:

    Tavon Austin 70.5%
    Stedman Bailey 65.2%
    Kenny Britt 57.1%
    Jared Cook 52.5%
    Lance Kendricks 71.1%
    Brian Quick 64.1%

    2015

    Tavon Austin 61.5%
    Stedman Bailey 47.6%
    Kenny Britt 46.2%
    Jared Cook 54.3%
    Lance Kendricks 56.3%
    Brian Quick 40.0%

    T.A. been hitting the JUGS machine this year and with Bailey and Quick getting so few targets , well really all the wr’s targets down. You drop one of two targets and you get huge swings in percentages. Bailey seems to me to be a guy that needs reps to get in the game, with TA and Gurley running their two man game so effectively Baileys opportunities are fewer and fewer.

    #33643
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    Drops happen. Fumbles happen. But they’re happening to St. Louis too often.

    I can’t prove this but I think it’s a mindset thing. Not being in sync or confident yet, same as we saw on defense for a lot of games last year.

    #33729
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    If it were last year’s numbers this year….

    There would be 6 drops by WRs/TEs not 10.

    60.8% of passes would be caught not 53.5%.

    Mighta made some difference on some 3rd downs, leading to more opportunities.

    In fact if they had last year’s third down conversion rate this year, it would be 35.42% instead of 25.88%. Which while still low, is at least not dead last (like this year). (25.88%, btw, is the lowest 3rd down conversion rate since Arizona in 2012 and before that, Buffalo in 2009).

    And personally I don’t think it’s just Foles. Nor do I think it’s just the receivers. I think a lot of it is the Baby OL. My bet is there’s certain things they’re not even trying with this OL, until it stabilizes. So that alone cuts down on what they do.

    #33734
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    I don’t think it’s just Foles
    Nor do I think it’s just the receivers.
    I think a lot of it is the Baby OL.
    My bet is there’s certain things they’re not even trying with this OL, until it stabilizes..

    My own view is its almost all the OLine.
    I think the OLine has affected
    Foles and the OC/Fisher.

    Cook is cook. I dont see much difference.
    Kendricks is hurt.
    Tavon looks better.

    Britt is the only one that seems ‘off’
    somehow. Maybe he’s injured.

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    #33737
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I don’t think it’s just Foles
    Nor do I think it’s just the receivers.
    I think a lot of it is the Baby OL.
    My bet is there’s certain things they’re not even trying with this OL, until it stabilizes..

    My own view is its almost all the OLine.
    I think the OLine has affected
    Foles and the OC/Fisher.

    Cook is cook. I dont see much difference.
    Kendricks is hurt.
    Tavon looks better.

    Britt is the only one that seems ‘off’
    somehow. Maybe he’s injured.

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    I don’t see how a young OL means it’s harder to run slants, or mid-range stuff over the middle. They run post patterns. I get that a young OL could mean they don’t run the Run and Shoot, and throw it all the time, but the run/pass balance is conservative.

    Quick is also “off.”

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