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September 23, 2015 at 6:52 pm #31071
TSRFParticipantJust sayin…
September 23, 2015 at 11:51 pm #31095
ZooeyModeratorI saw your post about two hours ago, and didn’t catch the allusion.
Just opened up a news site….
That’s hilarious.
September 26, 2015 at 1:04 pm #31183bnwBlockedNot funny. Though I hope I can get one much cheaper as a result. Amazing technology yet it couldn’t keep up with ever stringent EPA mandates. Won’t be limited to VW either.
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September 26, 2015 at 3:57 pm #31195ZooeyModeratorNot funny. Though I hope I can get one much cheaper as a result. Amazing technology yet it couldn’t keep up with ever stringent EPA mandates. Won’t be limited to VW either.
I don’t think it’s because they COULDN’T keep up. It’s that it was cheaper to bypass the regulations.
September 26, 2015 at 4:53 pm #31197
wvParticipantNot funny. Though I hope I can get one much cheaper as a result. Amazing technology yet it couldn’t keep up with ever stringent EPA mandates. Won’t be limited to VW either.
I don’t think it’s because they COULDN’T keep up. It’s that it was cheaper to bypass the regulations.
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I wonder if any old-school ram fan,
back in the 70’s,
ever painted Horns on one of those
old classic VW bugs ?I can visualize somethin like that.
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vSeptember 26, 2015 at 10:03 pm #31205bnwBlockedNot funny. Though I hope I can get one much cheaper as a result. Amazing technology yet it couldn’t keep up with ever stringent EPA mandates. Won’t be limited to VW either.
I don’t think it’s because they COULDN’T keep up. It’s that it was cheaper to bypass the regulations.
I disagree. A car has to be able to be sold at a competitive price. It also has to achieve a certain level of performance relative to the competition in order to get market share. I believe it was a last resort considering the EPA and Eurozone mandates hit on price, performance and fuel economy. Eventually mandates serve to deny products rather than spur development. Engineering and materials science are finite. Mandates are infinite. No doubt other manufacturers were doing the same and I won’t be surprised to learn it extended to gasoline vehicles too.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
September 26, 2015 at 10:08 pm #31206bnwBlockedNot funny. Though I hope I can get one much cheaper as a result. Amazing technology yet it couldn’t keep up with ever stringent EPA mandates. Won’t be limited to VW either.
I don’t think it’s because they COULDN’T keep up. It’s that it was cheaper to bypass the regulations.
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I wonder if any old-school ram fan,
back in the 70’s,
ever painted Horns on one of those
old classic VW bugs ?I can visualize somethin like that.
w
vI can too.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
September 27, 2015 at 9:10 am #31214
InvaderRamModeratoror maybe it’s time they get rid of gas and diesel powered engines. it’s an antiquated piece of technology.
September 27, 2015 at 12:06 pm #31254ZooeyModeratorI disagree. A car has to be able to be sold at a competitive price. It also has to achieve a certain level of performance relative to the competition in order to get market share. I believe it was a last resort considering the EPA and Eurozone mandates hit on price, performance and fuel economy. Eventually mandates serve to deny products rather than spur development. Engineering and materials science are finite. Mandates are infinite. No doubt other manufacturers were doing the same and I won’t be surprised to learn it extended to gasoline vehicles too.
But every car maker has the exact same challenge, so it levels out the competitiveness of pricing. It’s not like VW was hit with higher emission standards than everybody else. They all have to deal with price, performance, and fuel economy.
VW chose – illegally – to get an edge, not to “keep up.”
September 27, 2015 at 12:09 pm #31256
znModeratorThey all have to deal with price, performance, and fuel economy.
As do we…ie. the consumers. We want emissions standards. If some businesses can’t deal maybe they can retract some of their rhetoric about being competitive. Cause many auto makers handle this stuff and thrive.
September 27, 2015 at 12:33 pm #31258ZooeyModeratorThey all have to deal with price, performance, and fuel economy.
As do we…ie. the consumers. We want emissions standards. If some businesses can’t deal maybe they can retract some of their rhetoric about being competitive. Cause many auto makers handle this stuff and thrive.
Yeah. Because while a car with emission controls costs a bit more, it doesn’t cost as much as treating asthma, bronchitis, and cancer. Etc.
September 27, 2015 at 11:18 pm #31330bnwBlockedor maybe it’s time they get rid of gas and diesel powered engines. it’s an antiquated piece of technology.
Antiquated? How so? Don’t believe the hype there isn’t anything that can replace either anytime soon.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
September 27, 2015 at 11:35 pm #31331InvaderRamModeratorjust talking to an engineering friend of mine. he says the basic technology of the internal combustion engine hasn’t changed in the past 50 years.
don’t really know myself but i gotta think that some alternatives could be thought up and developed.
September 27, 2015 at 11:56 pm #31332bnwBlockedI disagree. A car has to be able to be sold at a competitive price. It also has to achieve a certain level of performance relative to the competition in order to get market share. I believe it was a last resort considering the EPA and Eurozone mandates hit on price, performance and fuel economy. Eventually mandates serve to deny products rather than spur development. Engineering and materials science are finite. Mandates are infinite. No doubt other manufacturers were doing the same and I won’t be surprised to learn it extended to gasoline vehicles too.
But every car maker has the exact same challenge, so it levels out the competitiveness of pricing. It’s not like VW was hit with higher emission standards than everybody else. They all have to deal with price, performance, and fuel economy.
VW chose – illegally – to get an edge, not to “keep up.”
Not true. Not for VW. The TDI was targeted by the EPA mandate and VW added a urea injection system to the 2015 model 2.0 TDI but not the 2009-2014 models. VW accounts for 80% of passenger diesels on the road in the US. The TDI has no peer in terms of performance and fuel efficiency. It is an amazing diesel to drive. The longevity of the engine is legendary. I own two MK4s that both have over 200K miles and get 50 mpg for a 650-800 mile range between refueling. The engines routinely go 300K-500K miles (and higher) with exceptional fuel economy. They are extremely fun to drive. On the highway they excel in performance and economy.
No one knows what fix if any will be mandated by the EPA but it will probably impact performance and fuel economy which would be a shame. Since they are more expensive than a hybrid any further increase in price would devastate the line in the US which is why the cheat was employed I suspect.
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September 27, 2015 at 11:59 pm #31333bnwBlockedThey all have to deal with price, performance, and fuel economy.
As do we…ie. the consumers. We want emissions standards. If some businesses can’t deal maybe they can retract some of their rhetoric about being competitive. Cause many auto makers handle this stuff and thrive.
Not with a passenger diesel they don’t.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
September 28, 2015 at 12:08 am #31334bnwBlockedThey all have to deal with price, performance, and fuel economy.
As do we…ie. the consumers. We want emissions standards. If some businesses can’t deal maybe they can retract some of their rhetoric about being competitive. Cause many auto makers handle this stuff and thrive.
Yeah. Because while a car with emission controls costs a bit more, it doesn’t cost as much as treating asthma, bronchitis, and cancer. Etc.
That is shortsighted. The TDI will outlast 3-5 or more so called economy cars and get far better fuel economy while doing so. If you figure in the pollution stream all the extra cars vs. the TDI the TDI overall is obviously better for the environment. Diesel fuel has more power and is far safer than gasoline.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
September 28, 2015 at 12:13 am #31335bnwBlockedjust talking to an engineering friend of mine. he says the basic technology of the internal combustion engine hasn’t changed in the past 50 years.
don’t really know myself but i gotta think that some alternatives could be thought up and developed.
Easier said than done. Much like EPA mandates.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
September 28, 2015 at 12:30 am #31341InvaderRamModeratordiesels in general are not popular in the states which is a shame because by all accounts they ARE better than the gas engines. more durable. more efficient. better performance. but there are other diesels out there which didn’t get caught. maybe they cheated and just didn’t get caught? dunno. but i know lots of people who swear by the diesel engine but for some reason americans hate them.
September 28, 2015 at 2:23 am #31358bnwBlockeddiesels in general are not popular in the states which is a shame because by all accounts they ARE better than the gas engines. more durable. more efficient. better performance. but there are other diesels out there which didn’t get caught. maybe they cheated and just didn’t get caught? dunno. but i know lots of people who swear by the diesel engine but for some reason americans hate them.
From what we know it was the 2.0 TDI 2008-2014 that failed. The 2015 2.0 TDI has the urea injection system but the EPA stopped further sales and the 2016 too. The 2.0 TDI is a great engine for performance and has excellent fuel efficiency. The buyers that now claim they feel cheated because of the “Clean Diesel” are full of it as far as I’m concerned. They drove the competition and then drove the TDI. They weren’t going to buy the competition after driving the TDI and getting as good or better fuel economy. The Clean Diesel was always a joke as far as emissions. The clean was that the TDI doesn’t show the smoke, no rolling coal with the TDI.
As far as the US goes passenger diesels are still fighting the disastrous GM diesel of the 1980s. Converted a gasoline engine into a diesel with 3X the compression for which it was designed. Bean counting and marketing genius with the mandate and engineers with the nightmare. Hey R&D we need to get into the full size passenger diesel market now and we can’t afford to build a new engine. Now do it! It killed the domestic passenger diesel development in the US. In europe diesel is king. Thats because they are more concerned with fuel economy than performance and their diesels get better fuel economy because VW can’t sell them here. There is always a performance tradeoff with a diesel but when your competition is gasoline economy cars as it is in the US the 2.0 TDI is very competitive. All it takes is a 2.0 TDI test drive to change ones perception of a passenger diesel.
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