JT Chat, 9/2

Rams chat with Jim Thomas

http://sports.live.stltoday.com/Event/Rams_chat_with_Jim_Thomas_98?Page=0

JT, Please don’t tell me that Fisher is serious in claiming that the 3rd QB is still a competition? You don’t cut your 4th round pick for a career backup.
by Axeburger 11:34 AM

Actually, Mannion was the team’s third-round pick, and I can’t see that happening. Especially since Mannion has played fairly well and certainly has flashed potential.
by jthomas 11:35 AM

have you found out yet what peacock’s plans are for the naming rights money to be generated at any new stadium? used for the financing, as in san francisco, saving taxpayers money? or lining kroenke’s pockets, as now? by the way, under the bond indentures, naming rights money belongs to the stadium/authority and must be released if not allocated for financing. where’s it going, per peacock?
by branford76 11:36 AM

Usually, most of the naming rights money goes to club ownership.
by jthomas 11:36 AM

On some ex rams – Wondering if Matt Daniels and Jake Long are with a team presently?
by David 11:37 AM

Matt Daniels was released earlier this week. Jake Long has made a couple of visits, but at least check he’s still unemployed.
by jthomas 11:37 AM

Most have rejected this notion at the PD, but Bleacher Report is reporting that the Jaguars could move to St. Louis with the Rams and Chargers partnering up in LA. What are your thoughts? Thanks
by JT 11:38 AM

Still can’t see it happening with Jacksonville, at least not in the near future. Rams and Chargers makes sense, but still don’t see Spanos and Kroenke getting along.
by jthomas 11:41 AM

Do you think RGIII has a future in the NFL or have injuries derailed his career?
by Andy 11:41 AM

Just haven’t seen him develop yet into a pocket passer.
by jthomas 11:42 AM

Hi Jim, what record do you see the Rams having this season? I have them at 8-8 at best. 5 to 6 wins at worse.
by James 11:42 AM

I haven’t made my final decision yet, but I still see them at 9-7.
by jthomas 11:42 AM

We have seen Givens make some nice plays in preseason. Is he ahead of Bailey in the depth chart at WR. Could you rank the depth chart for the position.
by TommyD 11:43 AM

I’d still rank them Britt, Quick and Austin in the top 3, then Bailey at No.4 and Givens at No. 5. But Givens certainly has been more noticeable this preseason than Bailey.
by jthomas 11:44 AM

Surprised Claiborne was cut. What corners make the roster?
by Gladdy 11:44 AM

I think the only 4 sure things are Jenkins, Johnson, Joyner, and Roberson. The fifth corner may not be on the roster at this point. Although it seems like the Rams might want him to be McGee.
by jthomas 11:45 AM

On the east coast didn’t see the Colts game. How did Quick look? Did he play much? Also, who do you think has the edge right now on the starting center job?
by Jay 11:46 AM

Quick was in for only 9 players, wasn’t targeted at all. I still have to say Barrett Jones at center.
by jthomas 11:46 AM

why do you think rams and chargers make sense in l.a., given that the spanos family would be expected to assume a tenant relationship with kroenke, when the chargers and the raiders could have a new york-model equal partnership in a 50-50 joint venture?
by branford76 11:47 AM

Mainly because the Raiders brings next to nothing to the table.
by jthomas 11:47 AM

Any idea how much the Rams organization assists local charities? If they help the area non-profits, their departure would certainly negatively impact those organizations.
by Andy 11:47 AM

They seem to be very active in community. Do a lot of charity work. Yeah, I think it would leave a hole.
by jthomas 11:48 AM

Penalties, penalties, penalties. Do you attribute this to the young age of the team or is it time to start looking at coaching on this issue?
by Bela 11:48 AM

I think we’ve been looking as coaching as an issue on penalties for quite some time. Fisher’s teams, even dating back to Tennessee, have also been highly penalized.
by jthomas 11:49 AM

With the NFL swimming in money, do you think they would ever increase the size of the game-day roster to help off-set the impact of the inevitable injuries?
by Andy 11:49 AM

Well, there is frequently talk of having more plays active on game-day. (Rather than expanding from 53.) Remember, teams don’t get to dress all 53 on game day.
by jthomas 11:50 AM

The Rams could use a 3rd and 1 back. Any chance Brown makes the team as a pile driver?
by shedrow 11:51 AM

Brown isn’t what you would call a piledriver.
by jthomas 11:51 AM

How important is our next preseason game? What should we look for?
by Justin 11:51 AM

This is a game primarily for the backups _ for maybe the 30 guys on the back end of the roster fighting for a job. You don’t want to get anyone hurt. Foles will play a series or two, at least that’s the plan. Fisher has indicated that some of the young offensive linemen will play longer.
by jthomas 11:53 AM

Hi Jim, full grape EUGH!!!
by JonM 11:53 AM

Agreed.
by jthomas 11:53 AM

What is your view of whether GRob and Havenstein can be above average OT’s this year?
by GP 11:53 AM

I think Robinson definitely can fit that description this year. I think Havenstein can get there.
by jthomas 11:54 AM

Jim, I was at the game Saturday and from our suite it appeared that less than third of the dome was filled. While I understand that it was only a preseason game, if this becomes a constant will it have a deleterious affect on keeping the NFL in St. Louis?
by Hugh 11:54 AM

I don’t think empty seats will help the cause.
by jthomas 11:54 AM

Could you give me a breakdown as to where ticket money goes once it leaves the fans pocket to where it ends up? Thank you.
by Carolina Ramfan 11:54 AM

Roughly one-third goes to the visiting team; the rest goes to the home team.
by jthomas 11:55 AM

Robinson looks horrible at left tackle. Are we watching the same player?
by Jay 11:55 AM

Are you?
by jthomas 11:55 AM

Rumor has it Tavon Austin has had a great off season. Do you believe he will become the impact player he was drafted as this year?
by Bela 11:56 AM

I think he’s better equipped to do so. Whether that actually happens remains to be seen.
by jthomas 11:56 AM

Robinson has lookedtentative to me and he seems to have been beat a lot in pass coverage in this preseason. What have you seen?
by Jim from CT 11:57 AM

He certainly had some bumpy moments early against Indianapolis, seemed to be leaning and a little off-balance. But I think overall he’s been OK.
by jthomas 11:57 AM

Hi Jim, Will I be allowed to bring in my “I hate you Stan!” related signs to the dome this year?
by ihtnep 11:59 AM

Please try it, and let me know how things turn out.
by jthomas 11:59 AM

First team offense struggles to get in the endzone in preseason. I’ve seen this movie before. I believe it’s called “6-10, once again”. Agree?
by ihtnep 11:59 AM

As Spags might say, I’m not ready to “go there” just yet.
by jthomas 11:59 AM

Jim, should we be concerned with the late shifting of the guards? Was it more Brown struggling or just that they like Saffold better on the Right side? Why wasnt this the plan from the start I wonder.
by Tex 11:59 AM

Yeah, a little strange that it took so long to make the switch.
by jthomas 12:00 PM

Hi Jim, what’s with all the problems with the o-line, again and again and again?
by tim 12:00 PM

We’ve certainly seen this movie before, haven’t we?
by jthomas 12:00 PM

How serious is Tre Mason’s injury, could this be something that lingers all season, or will he truly be full tilt week 1 or week 2
by Dan in Denver 12:01 PM

Doesn’t look like it’s serious. But it might be optimistic to think he will be full go on Sept. 13.
by jthomas 12:01 PM

Jim, I keep hearing all these rumors of Spanos and the Chargers teaming up with Kroneke and the Rams. Spanos has been on record for not wanting the Rams in LA. Do you see Kroneke making enough concessions and the NFL doing enough to make a Chargers/Rams set up in Inglewood work?
by Garry Crowder 12:02 PM

We’ll see. It may be the only way out for Kroenke.
by jthomas 12:03 PM

JT – Sent here by Strauss… Do you think Joe Buck’s comments have any real impact on the Rams to LA discussion?
by Simple.10 12:03 PM

Joe Buck certainly is highly respected in his profession. And the league certainly is aware of what’s being said and written about them on all fronts. But whether Buck’s comments can actually change votes, well, I don’t know if I’d stretch it that far.
by jthomas 12:04 PM

Jim, What do you think about Keenum over Austin Davis as the No.2 QB? I’m not impressed with Keenum.
by tim 12:04 PM

Keenum has had some good moments. I would’ve just liked to have seen Davis get more of a chance this preseason than he did.
by jthomas 12:05 PM

Givens and Keenan won their battles. Gaines’ injury ended that competition. Please handicap the last battles for us — Jones/Barnes/Rhaney and Bayer/Cunningham.
by CT Rams 12:05 PM

As I’ve mentioned earlier, I give Jones a slight edge at center. At TE, Bayer is more of a pass catcher/Cunningham more of a blocker. Bayer’s had a pretty quiet preseason compared to last season. I think it’s also possible that Rams could keep only three TEs.
by jthomas 12:07 PM

Will the backup quarterback even matter this season with such a patched up offensive line? I mean, I guess that means Foles also has a good chance of becoming a punching bag a la Marc Bulger.
by Spencer 12:07 PM

It’s all hopeless.
by jthomas 12:08 PM

Consensus was that Havenstein was a small reach and Brown a huge reach. I might reverse that now. What are your thoughts?
by shedrow 12:08 PM

Right now, Brown looks like the better pick. But we’re talking about 10 series in the preseason. Small sample size.
by jthomas 12:08 PM

I heard that Bidwell did many nice things for St. Louis behind the scenes, even though he was not good at running a football team. Has Kroenke done anything nice for the community, or is his only redeeming quality his non-Jerry Jones-like meddling?
by ihtnep 12:08 PM

IF Kroenke’s active on the local charity scene, it’s a well-kept secret.
by jthomas 12:09 PM

Many were surprised that Mannion was 3rd QB taken. How does the choice look now based on what you have seen?
by shedrow 12:09 PM

It looks like a good choice, but again, we’re talking about six preseason series for Mannion. Small sample size.
by jthomas 12:09 PM

Jim, it’s obvious Havenstein is not ready to start. Is there any chance the Rams bring in a veteran that gets cut or dare I say Jake Long to play right tackle. Then maybe 8-10 games in or if that vet gets injured give Havenstein his shot then?
by Jay 12:10 PM

Staff isn’t ready to bail on Havenstein.
by jthomas 12:11 PM

A couple of seasons ago, Fisher treated preseason game 4 as the dress rehearsal not week3. How much will the starters play tomorrow?
by Dan in Denver 12:11 PM

Foles will get a series or two, or at least that’s the plan. I assume when he’s in there, the starting offense will be there as well. Fisher indicated the young offensive linemen will play at little longer. I think on defense, particularly the front seven, is where you’ll see some starters not playing at all.
by jthomas 12:13 PM

Is Rhaney’s move to guard a permanent position change or is he still in the running for the starting job at center.
by ramsfan 12:13 PM

He’s looked very good at guard, don’t you think? I think that may be where the coaches are leaning at this point.
by jthomas 12:13 PM

Crazy thought: trade a low draft pick for RGIII? Then I guess the Rams get both sides of the trade…
by strider379 12:13 PM

Not sure why you would want him at this point.
by jthomas 12:14 PM

Jim. I would like to see fisher study up on some Darren sproles tape and switch tavon to a running back. I believe not just screen passes but putting tavon out on routes as a back should get him match ups he can better extort. Crazy enough to work?
by Ram in mn 12:14 PM

He’s simply too small to more than a bit player in the backfield.
by jthomas 12:15 PM

Hi Jim any thoughts on how well Bradford is playing and is he playing so well mainly because he has a very good supporting cast in Philly.
by John 12:15 PM

He played very well last week, no doubt. But he’s only thrown 15 passes. Let’s not get too excited just yet.
by jthomas 12:15 PM

Jim, Joe sent me to you for this question. Has there ever been a breakdown of what the cost will be to the average Joe for the stadium? We see the big 1 billion thing and the reports stop. Plus the fact that it is in a area that is in high need of repair that will not be free, the Jobs created, seems getting the NFL to help repair a condemned area may be a good deal if spun correctly.
by renostl 12:16 PM

Actually our news-side reporter David Hunn has frequently broken down that $1 billion. About $450 million will (theoretically) come from the owner. About $160 million in the form of PSL sales. About $180 million in the form of various tax credits. That leaves about $200 million financed by the “average Joe.”
by jthomas 12:17 PM

Who has the better season/plays more games, Foles or Bradford?
by Spencer 12:18 PM

Huge “if,” but I think Bradford puts up better numbers if he plays in all 16 games.
by jthomas 12:18 PM

What exactly is the Brocks injury? Was it a preseason game injury or earlier than that? by Uncle Leo 12:18 PM

Do you mean Brockers? Shoulder soreness. I saw it wrapped after the Oakland game. Don’t know if that’s when it happened.
by jthomas 12:19 PM

after fisher is gone, assuming kroenke is still the owner, what is the bigger impediment to attracting a quality coach: kroenke’s ownership or the bad team?

If that happens, I’d say state of the team.
by jthomas 12:20 PM

What are the chances the Raiders jump and become the LA tenant in Inglewood and the NFL gives extra money to San Diego to keep the team in that market? It seems to me LA gets a two team homecoming and the NFL gets to save San Diego. Everyone is happy then expect the city of Oakland and St. Louis.
by Dan 12:20 PM

That seems more of a longshot, but I think all things are possible at this point.
by jthomas 12:20 PM

Greetings Jim, Joe asked us to tell you he asked us all to join your chat. That done, my question. For years our suite sponsor was Clarkson Jewelers, but AB has taken over this year. Do you know why there was a change?
by Hugh 12:21 PM

Do not.
by jthomas 12:21 PM

Chances Gurley plays 1 play against Seattle?
by Jay 12:21 PM

5 percent
by jthomas 12:21 PM

JT, IF you are Spanos and you see the reality that your market is going to change would you rather be a second fiddle to SK or the leader with OAK?
by renostl 12:21 PM

Well, if you have the choice, I’d say leaders with OAK. But you’re assuming there that the NFL also prefers the Carson site.
by jthomas 12:22 PM

Let’s say the stadium is built (and we have a team!) Do you ever envision some type of Stadium Village being built a la Ball Park Village? That would be cool.
by David 12:22 PM

No. But Laclede’s Landing will be very close to the new stadium, so I think business would be helped there.
by jthomas 12:23 PM

Do you believe it would be a good idea for the Rams to work the first string a bit more than normal on our last preseason game tomorrow?
by Bela 12:23 PM

If it were me, I would’ve done that all preseason _ at least with the offense.
by jthomas 12:23 PM

Does Joe Buck’s pro-STL comments carry any weight with anyone? I know the NFL will not base their decision on what he thinks but he is a very visible asset.
by Tex 12:24 PM

Did I answer this for you already? Anyway, I’m sure the league took notice. I can’t sit here however, and tell you his comments will change votes.
by jthomas 12:25 PM

Best offensive line: LT Saffold, LG Reynolds, C Jones, RG Rhaney, RT Brown
by Jay 12:25 PM

Well, since Brown hasn’t played a snap at RT this preseason, and Saffold hasn’t played a snap at LT, we may need a couple more weeks of camp.
by jthomas 12:26 PM

You knew it was going to happen – Bradford is still upright and tearing it up in Philly. Philly looks like they are fine tuning their offense in preseason, Rams can’t even figure out who plays what position on their preseason “vanilla” offense. The gap is huge, how worried should we be about the Rams offense?
by Uncle Leo 12:26 PM

It’s hard to see the Rams having all the moving parts smoothed out on offense in time for Seattle. Or even most of them.
by jthomas 12:27 PM

Hi Jim! Your thoughts on all the rumors going around the LA/STL issue. I was in San Diego last week and had dinner with some Chargers Season Ticket holders and they receive their tickets and marketing material and it said: The Chargers and no mention of “San Diego”. Your thoughts on the STL/LA developments?
by Larry 12:27 PM

Well, I still don’t buy into the Jax to St. Louis rumors, or the San Diego-Kroenke union rumors if that’s what you’re talking about.
by jthomas 12:28 PM

Covering baseball’s Spring Training always sounds like a magical time for the sportswriters who get to go. NFL training camps sound like pure drudgery. On a scale of “magical to drudgery,” how would you describe the NFL training camp experience for you?
by Andy 12:28 PM

The first week of camp is always a lot of fun. Then you can’t wait until the first preseason game. Once the first preseason game arrives, things move pretty fast. The dynamic has been different this year, of course, because of the relocation talk and the Oxnard practices.
by jthomas 12:30 PM

What was the problem on the Andre Johnson TD? Miscommunication? Or just horrible coverage?
by AzRamsFan 12:30 PM

Busted coverage. But not sure who’s to blame.
by jthomas 12:30 PM

When Barron comes in, what kind of D package are we in? Does he play more like a LB or is he a safety in those sets?
by Dan in Denver 12:30 PM

More like an LB,
by jthomas 12:31 PM

Who leads the team in catches this year? How about yards? Wonder if Tavon or Givens takes the step?
by steve r 12:31 PM

I’m gonna say Jared Cook.
by jthomas 12:31 PM

What are your thoughts on our new offensive coordinator?
by Justin 12:31 PM

It’s crystal-clear that Schottenheimer was the root of all problems, isn’t it?
by jthomas 12:32 PM

Jim, Do you agree with signing Foles before he has played one regular season game?
by Hugh 12:33 PM

Personally, I would’ve liked to have seen him play some regular season games.
by jthomas 12:33 PM

Speaking of attendance at the first home game of the season, did Stan Kroenke bother to come check out how his asset was performing?
by H H Holmes 12:34 PM

Did not see him, nor did I hear about him being there.
by jthomas 12:34 PM

Do you think any of the NFL owners have any sympathy for the people of St. Louis over what StanK has done?
by Andy 12:35 PM

Yes, I think there are some who feel that way.
by jthomas 12:35 PM

Jim, Do you think StanK has a plan B, if not allowed to move the Rams?
by Hugh 12:36 PM

I think he’s extremely confident that Plan A will work.
by jthomas 12:36 PM

Unless there is a surprise late player signing, the Rams have ____ salary cap money open. Can that go to resigning current players or it will just sit there unspent.
by Uncle Leo 12:36 PM

The Rams have about $4.5 million in cap space. Usually, they spend to the cap, or very close to the cap. So I think they’ll try to re-sign more players.
by jthomas 12:37 PM

I know it’s preseason, but from what you have seen should we have more confidence in our new offensive coordinator?
by Bela 12:38 PM

Well, it doesn’t look all that pretty right now, agreed?
by jthomas 12:38 PM

Any news/comments on how the Jeff Garcia’s influence has helped our team?
by Bela 12:38 PM

Not really. Let’s see how these wide receivers perform.
by jthomas 12:39 PM

Hi JT! Wonder of your thoughts on Wiscy draftee Haverstein being selected in higher round and if you think he’ll be ok after some time (how long). Seems those tackles are gonna be gigantic toward team faring well. Thank you!
by MJ 12:39 PM

I think he’ll need some help early, particularly in some pass blocking situations. But I think he’ll be OK.
by jthomas 12:39 PM

Jim, Shad & the Jags are trying to get a really long term contract to play in England currently. Is this a little payback for StanK blocking his Rams purchase attempt?
by Hugh 12:41 PM

No, don’t think they’re related.
by jthomas 12:41 PM

Do you think the Rams would have still made the Bradford/Foles trade with the info they have now? Bradford looking amazing – Foles just okay
by Gladdy 12:42 PM

Bradford has thrown 15 preseason passes; Foles 23. I don’t think that’s enough of a sample size to change anyone’s mind.
by jthomas 12:42 PM

Do you believe Nick Foles has the arm strength to make all the deep throws accurately in order to stretch defenses? It seems that WHEN healthy Bradford has the stronger arm even though Foles is a physically bigger man.
by Dave Perry 12:43 PM

I agree that Bradford has a stronger arm. But Foles has doesn’t lack for arm strength. He can make the deep throws.
by jthomas 12:43 PM

JT, football has almost everything going for it at this time aside from the concussion issues that may derail the train. That said things are cyclical. when they treat fans like commodities and rub their noses in it can be good business.
by renostl 12:43 PM

Yeah, it’s difficult for me to understand why the NFL would alienate fans in three markets (San Diego, Oakland, St. Louis) just to have a team in LA.
by jthomas 12:44 PM

It’s starting to look like Pead might make the team. Who would have thought?
by David 12:44 PM

At least for 4 games. (While Watts is suspended.)
by jthomas 12:45 PM

Hi Jim, Cardinals don’t look unbeatable and the Niners are definitely beatable this season, however, do you really think the Lambs have a chance to at least split with the Seahawks this year ?
by Donnie 12:45 PM

Yes. I think they will split with Seattle.
by jthomas 12:45 PM

Hello JT, your W-L prediction for 2015 Rams is…
by RamRandom 12:45 PM

Parade Meter still at 9. Will make final pick in football preview section, Sept. 13.
by jthomas 12:46 PM

From day one of training camp until now; who has impressed you the most of any Ram , veteran or rookie?
by Carolina Ramfan 12:46 PM

If I had to pick one, and only one, I’d say Aaron Donald.
by jthomas 12:46 PM

Hi Jim. Was the attendance at the game last week the worst you’ve ever seen for a Rams game? I don’t recall ever seeing so many empty seats preseason or not.
by Cutman 12:46 PM

How are you Cutman? It was good to meet you in Oxnard. How’s business? As I tweeted the night of the game, it’s easily the smallest crowd I’ve seen at a Rams game, and I’ve seen them all in person _ preseason, regular season, postseason.
by jthomas 12:48 PM

Jim, I don’t believe much of what Fisher or Sneed says publicly. Do you see them be well received by the LACommunity/press?
by Hugh 12:48 PM

If they win, yes.
by jthomas 12:48 PM

are the Rams interested in any of the players cut from other teams?
by bigtuna 12:48 PM

They look at them all.
by jthomas 12:48 PM

Leigh Steinberg just said in a radio interview that Kroenke was trying to sell Inglewood to Spanos. True? If so that means maybe Kroenke is looking to make a deal that could keep the Rams in St. Louis….
by John 12:48 PM

Are you sure he didn’t mean that Kroenke was trying to sell Spanos on the idea of joining him in Inglewood?
by jthomas 12:49 PM

Jim, I was watching the LA Dodgers versus SF marathon and noticed the stadium was almost empty by the end. Not figuratively, literally. the Dodgers are good, in first place and SF is chasing them closely. Why does StanK think he can maintain a high attendance with such a poor product? He would also be directly competing with another LA football team for patrons/business sponsors.
by Hugh 12:49 PM

Better question. Why does the NFL think the NFL will be such a smashing success in Los Angeles>
by jthomas 12:50 PM

Forget about Passing game, I am worried about run game after 3 preseason games. Thoughts?
by Zing 12:50 PM

You’re right. After all, wasn’t this supposed to be the year the Rams REALLY emphasized the run game.
by jthomas 12:51 PM

Dont know if this was asked already but has there been word of regret for not going after any big name O linemen free agents. After all the O line still seems to be in a great deal of flux.
by Jmac67 12:51 PM

Not asked this week. I certainly would’ve signed one veteran FA to start instead of going all young.
by jthomas 12:51 PM

JT, how much fun do you think Mad mike would have had with Tavon? You think he would have a more well known name by now? Martz even made Trung look good.
by renostl 12:52 PM

Better question. What do you think Mike Martz would’ve done with Sam Bradford?
by jthomas 12:52 PM

Jim, after seeing what we all did so far are the rams 1-0 or 0-1 after first game?
by ramwrap 12:53 PM

My game-by-game prediction for the 2015 season will appear in our football preview section Sept. 13.
by jthomas 12:54 PM

JT – Any surprises in the cuts made so far by Fisher?
by Jmac67 12:55 PM

Claiborne was a mild surprise. More surprising than the cuts so far in my mind were 2 cuts that weren’t made: Austin Davis at QB, and Brandon McGree at CB.
by jthomas 12:56 PM

Shad Kahn, through his words and deeds, seems to be making a legitimate attempt at making it work in Jacksonville. So where are these relocation rumors coming from? Is it just a slow news day?
by Thad 12:56 PM

How many of these rumors have we heard over the past year or so? Nothing new.
by jthomas 12:56 PM

Is Fairly hurt?
by simdaddy 12:56 PM

I was told he has some soreness in the collarbone area. Not thought to be anything serious. He did some work at practice Tuesday.
by jthomas 12:57 PM

I was watching the Mike & Mike show this morning while they were discussing RGIII, they made mention that the Rams didn’t make out very well on the trade basing it on our mediocre record the last three years. Their statements were way off-track, before the RGIII trade we had perhaps the worst roster in the NFL, now we have one of the top 1-3 defenses in the league and an outstanding LT in the making with Robinson!
by Dave Perry 12:57 PM

I didn’t here the show, but maybe their point was that all those picks haven’t gotten the Rams over the hump. Also, it’s not as if the Rams have turned two or three of those RGIII trade picks into Pro Bowlers. I myself think it’s still a tad early to judge the RGIII trade.
by jthomas 12:59 PM