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    Oakland Raiders get big in the middle
    By Jerry McDonald jmcdonald@bayareanewsgroup.com
    Posted: 08/09/2015 02:09:50 PM PDT
    http://www.contracostatimes.com/breaking-news/ci_28611263/oakland-raiders-get-big-middle?source=rss
    | Updated: 4 days ago

    NAPA — The Raiders hope to be living large in 2015, and nowhere is that more evident than the middle of their defensive line.

    Coach Jack Del Rio is keeping his options open, but visual evidence through nine training camp practices Sunday suggests the Raiders will often line up with an interior mass of 665 pounds with six-year veteran Dan Williams and second-year player Justin Ellis.

    “We call them ‘meat and potatoes,’ ” linebacker Khalil Mack said. “They eat up the middle and send that running back to the high side and create the push-back we need in the middle to make it bounce. It’s going to be fun.”
    Oakland Raiders fullback Marcel Reece (45) runs through a drill during the team’s first day of training camp in Napa, Calif., Friday, July 31, 2015.

    A quick scan of NFL rosters finds nobody like Williams (6-foot-2, 330 pounds) and Ellis (6-2, 335) playing side by side. You might need to go back to the 2000 Baltimore Ravens — Tony Siragusa and Sam Adams weighed in at 690 — to find a bigger tandem.

    While they look like a pair of classic nose tackles, Williams and Ellis are eager to channel their inner Warren Sapp and display the skills of a three-technique tackle — one who is quick enough to shoot the gap and push the pocket rather than simply tie up blockers.

    “You watch film of Justin as a rookie, he’s very athletic for his size,” Williams said. “I know for a fact I can move. We’ve been big guys our whole life who have been made to run with the little guys.”

    Said Raiders defensive line coach Jethro Franklin: “They are big human beings that can eat up some space, but at the same time they’re athletic, so to move them over to three-technique, that’s not going to be a problem at all.”

    Raiders center Rodney Hudson, who has faced both players while a member of the Kansas City Chiefs, said it will be a challenge for opposing centers to know which player will be dropping anchor and which one will be shooting the gap.

    To see Williams and Ellis up close during a camp practice is a jolt to the senses, particularly when they take a nimble outside loop during a drill.

    “Both of them could play a number of spots, and play them well,” Hudson said.

    To quarterback Derek Carr, it’s the same realization a rodeo cowboy faces the first time he comes face to face with a snorting bull.

    “Obviously those guys have so much strength, but when you see them make that fast movement, how do you get a body that big to move that quick?” Carr said. “It’s crazy.”

    The seismic impact of having Williams and Ellis in the middle would in theory cause a ripple effect, freeing up pass rushers such as Mack and Mario Edwards Jr. to come from the outside, middle linebacker Curtis Lofton to clean up the middle and safety Charles Woodson to get unimpeded hits on ball carriers.

    “To be able to have those guys in the front, we feel like you shouldn’t run the ball on us,” Woodson said. “If they put those guys up there, we should be a very stout defense. That’s what we’re counting on.”

    Williams, primarily a nose tackle in a 3-4 defense during his five seasons with the Arizona Cardinals, became the Raiders’ primary target in free agency once Ndamukong Suh declared he was headed to the Miami Dolphins. The Raiders signed Williams to a four-year, $25 million contract with $15 million guaranteed and brought in a player eager to clog the middle but also to expand his game.

    Williams has watched film of Sapp, Suh and Tampa Bay’s Gerald McCoy, as well as Houston’s J.J. Watt, who is mostly a 3-4 end but can line up anywhere and push the pocket.

    “Growing up, I was a chunky kid, but I could always run,” Williams said. “My friends would say, ‘How do you move like that?’ I’ve tried to be a student of the game and learn from different guys. I know my skill set, and if there’s something I can do similar to guys I see on tape, I’ll definitely try it.”

    In high school, a coach called Ellis “Jelly Bean,” a nickname that has since been shortened to “Jelly.” Yet Ellis was anything but soft while playing in all 16 games last season, with 14 starts, as a fourth-round draft pick out of Louisiana Tech.

    He played well enough to earn a spot on the Pro Football Writers Association all-rookie team along with Mack.

    “I think I surprised some people with how I played and how I moved,” Ellis said. “But a lot of people have played against me now, so it’s no surprise.”

    Asked what he and Williams can bring to the Raiders defense while playing in tandem, Ellis said, “Beef.”

    Just past the halfway point of training camp, wide receiver Rod Streater and tight end Clive Walford have yet to practice. Streater is on the non-football injury list. Walford had an undisclosed injury during the time rookies were at camp before veterans arrived.

    “I think with one we’re trying to determine exactly what we’re dealing with with the non-football situation, and the other is very close,” Del Rio said. “Two different situations.”

    Also missing practice were tackle Menelik Watson, tight end Lee Smith, fullback Jamize Olawale, running backs Michael Dyer and Roy Helu Jr. and linebacker Sio Moore. Linebacker Malcolm Smith suited up but was limited.

    Family and friends of players and employees of the Raiders enjoyed a post-practice barbecue on the field.

    For more on the Raiders, visit the Inside the Oakland Raiders blog at ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders. Follow Jerry McDonald on Twitter at twitter.com/Jerrymcd.

    Agamemnon

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    “To be able to have those guys in the front, we feel like you shouldn’t run the ball on us,” Woodson said. “If they put those guys up there, we should be a very stout defense. That’s what we’re counting on.”

    This might make an interesting start to the game.

    Agamemnon

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    “To be able to have those guys in the front, we feel like you shouldn’t run the ball on us,” Woodson said. “If they put those guys up there, we should be a very stout defense. That’s what we’re counting on.”

    <span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>This might make an interesting start to the game.</span>

    Somethin tells me they remember that shut-out/blow-out
    in St.Louis last season.

    Oakland cant be bad forever,
    can they?

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    #28643
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    Oakland cant be bad forever,
    can they?

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    They have to be good. They drafted Amari Cooper. 😉

    Agamemnon

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    Penalty problems among things to watch as Rams start preseason

    Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/20315/penalty-problems-among-things-to-watch-as-rams-start-preseason

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — The St. Louis Rams and Oakland Raiders kick off the preseason Friday night at O.co Stadium in Oakland. Kickoff is set for 10 p.m. ET. Here are three things to watch as the exhibition slate gets underway.

    1. Will penalty problems persist?: Just last week, Rams coach Jeff Fisher went out of his way to point out that his team had done a good job of avoiding penalties in practice during training camp. The next night at the team’s annual scrimmage, the penalty issues of recent seasons popped up. In the time since, flags have been fairly abundant, especially the pre-snap variety. Since Fisher arrived in St. Louis, the Rams have struggled with penalties in the preseason with Fisher saying that they’d be cleaned up during the season. It hasn’t happened.

    The Rams had 122 accepted penalties in 2014, third-most in the NFL. Their 59 offensive penalties were also third most and their 1,139 penalty yards were the most in the NFL. In three seasons under Fisher, the Rams have accumulated 375 penalties for 3,126 penalty yards, both of which are the most in the league over that period.

    That hidden yardage has been difficult for the Rams to overcome, especially on offense. It’s probably unwise to expect it to change dramatically this season but Fisher has called it a point of emphasis and if the Rams aren’t responding, that doesn’t bode well moving forward.

    2. First look at Foles: New Rams quarterback Nick Foles isn’t likely to play more than a series or two and when he’s in, the Rams probably won’t ask him to throw it around much. One of the team’s top priorities this preseason is protecting Foles and ensuring he gets to the regular season healthy.

    Still, getting a look at Foles in a game setting for the first time will offer a little glimpse of what could be in store for the season. When Foles does throw it, expect the ball to come out quick in the Rams’ west coast style.

    It’s been tough sledding for Foles and the offense in training camp but the Rams believe that having Foles & Co. battling the team’s loaded defense should help the offense when it faces other opponents. It doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things but it wouldn’t be bad for the group’s confidence to put together a good drive or two before Foles calls it a night.

    3. Injuries into opportunity: The Rams have a handful of players dealing with a variety of injury issues though none of them appear too serious. But those ailments will likely keep players like cornerback E.J. Gaines, running back Tre Mason, end Chris Long and others out of this game. That should create plenty of chances for others to step in and make a strong impression. Some players worth monitoring include cornerbacks Marcus Roberson and Imoan Claiborne, end Martin Ifedi and running back Malcolm Brown. The bottom half of the roster won’t lack for playing time so this game should offer a prime chance to begin making a case for roster spots.

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    Amari Cooper has lived up to the hype.

    Agamemnon

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    Rams set to take on Raiders

    By Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-set-to-take-on-raiders/article_6f0039f8-f63b-5044-9f60-d9efbaa362ce.html

    The last time Nick Foles stepped foot in O.Co Coliseum, home of the Oakland Raiders, he threw seven touchdown passes.

    That came as a Philadelphia Eagle on Nov. 3, 2013, and it tied an NFL single-game record. He won’t throw seven TD passes Friday in the Rams’ preseason opener in Oakland. (Kickoff is 9 p.m. St. Louis time.) In fact, Foles might not even throw seven passes before he gives way to backups Case Keenum, Austin Davis and Sean Mannion.

    Foles is expected to play only a series or two in his Rams debut, but coach Jeff Fisher couldn’t be happier with what he has seen from Foles so far, particularly from a leadership standpoint.

    “Nick’s had a really good camp,” Fisher said. “I’m just really proud of him and happy that he’s here, so it will be fun to watch him play a little bit.”

    For openers, Fisher wants Foles to get the ball out quick and wants the Rams’ inexperienced offensive line to give him a clean pocket.

    “We want to protect him,” Fisher said. “We don’t want to get him hit. Get rid of the ball. Coach (Jack) Del Rio is a good football coach, a defensive guy. And he’s going to have them rolling off (the line). So we just have to be smart offensively.”

    Del Rio, a former head coach in Jacksonville but most recently defensive coordinator for Denver, is the Raiders’ new head coach.

    Protecting the quarterback obviously is a must no matter what style of offense you’re running. But in the case of the Rams, getting the ball out quickly will be standard operating procedure behind a young offensive line.

    So regardless of who’s at quarterback, it wouldn’t be surprising to see the Rams throw a lot of short stuff, using play-action to go deep once the running game has been established.

    With rookies Rob Havenstein and Jamon Brown scheduled to start at right tackle and right guard, respectively, and with an inexperienced player at center no matter who wins that competition, the Rams need to get the ball out quick early in the regular season while the O-line settles in. Friday’s game could start to set that tone.

    Many of the Rams’ frontline players will be rested against Oakland due to a variety of aches and injuries. Others will play sparingly. But that’s the way of the world in preseason openers: It’s all about evaluating the younger players, particularly those on the back end of the 90-man training camp roster.

    “We’re going to play younger players, particularly in the second half,” Fisher said. “When you look at the roster and you start looking at the 51st, 52nd, and 53rd player, so much of it has to do with their ability to contribute on special teams.

    “We’re going to give guys opportunities to do some things and show us some things on special teams. But at the same time being mindful of the fact that if they’re playing every snap on defense, and then going out and covering every kick, that’s hard.”

    The idea throughout is to see how the newcomers, and relative newcomers, respond to pressure. The kind of pressure that can only be applied by playing guys in opposing uniforms.

    “That’s always the first thing that we’re looking at,” Fisher said.

    And when that happens, the rose-colored glasses start to come off. The happy talk of the first couple of weeks of training camp is replaced by errant blocks, false starts, dropped passes and missed tackles.

    As defensive coordinator Gregg Williams put it: “We all have strengths and we all have weaknesses. … When I see them have their strengths then we’ll package those guys into those strengths.”

    And when he sees their weaknesses exposed, Williams then tries to minimize those risks when those players are in the game.

    “It’s important for me to get a chance to see them in competition,” Williams said. “These preseason games are important that way.”

    Naturally, those that display too many weaknesses won’t be around when the roster is cut to the final 53 in early September.

    Preseason game or not, Fisher is hoping for fewer penalties and better execution, even in what’s more of a free-form setting with next to no game-planning.

    “We just want to go out and let players play,” Fisher said. “When you’re playing your vets and your starters early in the game, you want it clean. We want to avoid penalties. We want to avoid the line of scrimmage things and the things that have victimized us in years past. Hopefully, our emphasis here on the practice field will carry over.”

    Following Friday’s game, the team will stay in California for most of the week, moving south to the Los Angeles area for practices against the Dallas Cowboys on Monday and Tuesday. The Rams will practice by themselves on Wednesday in Oxnard, the Cowboys’ camp home, before flying back to St. Louis.

    For fans of the old Los Angeles Rams, it will be a glimpse of the team that owner Stan Kroenke is trying to move to the West Coast in 2016. The Cowboys usually practice before big crowds in camp practices there; the appearance by the Rams should bolster those numbers

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    5 things to watch: Rams vs. Oakland

    By Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/things-to-watch-rams-vs-oakland/article_9bcfb84e-5292-5684-a592-fe08d4f40388.html

    FOLES’ FIRST STEPS

    The Rams have handed him the keys to the offense in the form of a three-year, $26 million contract extension. Hopefully, new QB Nick Foles won’t drive it into the Bay in Oakland. Actually, Foles won’t be on the field long enough to do much good or bad. But these will be the first passes he throws in a Rams uniform, albeit for only a series or two.

    ROOKIES RULE

    The biggest question mark on the team is the inexperienced offensive line, particularly rookie starters Rob Havenstein at right tackle and Jamon Brown at right guard. Despite their talent and early progress in camp, they need all the game reps they can get before the real deal comes in September. Look for them to play most if not all of the first half.

    CENTER ATTRACTION

    The battle for the starting center job begins to take form tonight in O.co Coliseum. The Rams’ official depth chart lists Barrett Jones as the starter, but Tim Barnes and Demetrius Rhaney should get playing time against the Raiders as well. Besides the obvious — blocking — this competition is about clean exchanges and making proper line calls.

    BACKFIELD BACKUPS

    First-round draft pick Todd Gurley won’t play as the Rams ease him back from knee surgery. Tre Mason (hamstring) probably sits this one out, too. So it will be all about the backups. The coaches know what Benny Cunningham can do. But Trey Watts, Chase Reynolds, Isaiah Pead, and rookie free agents Malcolm Brown and Zach Laskey all could get plenty of work.

    CORNER MARKET

    With E.J. Gaines out, and young veterans Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson missing practice time this week, second-year man Lamarcus Joyner could be on the field a lot Friday night. So could youngsters Marcus Roberson and Imoan Claiborne, who have shown good cover and ball skills in camp. They are in the mix for the fifth (or sixth) corner spot.

    #28688
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    New-look Rams offense gets first shot at outside opponent

    Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/20293/new-look-rams-offense-gets-first-shot-at-outside-opponent

    The St. Louis Rams open the preseason at 10 p.m. ET Friday against the Oakland Raiders at O.co Coliseum. Here’s a couple things to watch for during the game:

    Why watch: The Rams won’t play the starting offense much but quarterback Nick Foles, new starters at center, right guard and right tackle and coordinator Frank Cignetti will get their first crack at running the team’s revamped offense. It’s been tough sledding for that group during training camp but now we’ll get a taste of whether that’s more a function of their own struggles or the product of playing a dominant defense.

    Did you know: Unless you’re a diehard wanting to see which Rams might win roster spots 49-53, there’s often little reason to watch the second half of the first preseason game but there’s a fun family tie that should add a little something to the second half in this one. Defensive coordinator Gregg Williams’ son, Chase, is a rookie linebacker for the Raiders. Not many dads get to coach against their son in their first NFL game but it’ll be a Williams family affair Friday night.

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