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  • #27804
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    Find this article at:
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000505366/article/seahawks-bobby-wagner-cant-keep-everyone
    Seahawks’ Bobby Wagner: ‘Can’t keep everyone’

    By Gregg Rosenthal
    Around The NFL Editor
    Published: July 31, 2015 at 11:29 a.m.
    Updated: July 31, 2015 at 01:55 p.m.

    Russell Wilson’s new contract inspired a lot of celebration in the Seattle area, and some congratulatory tweets from Seahawks teammates. Linebacker Bobby Wagner sounded a little more ambivalent in the short term.

    NFL Network’s Rand Getlin reported this week that the Seahawks and Wagner were optimistic about reaching a deal this week. He is due to make $977,000 in 2015 and a potential new deal would pay him close to $10 million per season. We don’t necessarily think that Wilson’s deal should prevent a long-term contract for Wagner, especially when it makes so much sense for both sides. Wagner has missed seven games to injury the last two years and would love long-term security.

    The Seahawks can’t keep everyone, but they have done an incredible job locking up Wilson, Richard Sherman, Kam Chancellor, K.J. Wright, Earl Thomas and Michael Bennett among others. They will have to let some players like Russell Okung or Bruce Irvin leave, but Wagner is a player they will make sure to keep around. That could happen with the franchise tag next year, but a long-term deal in the meantime is a lot more likely.

    The latest Around The NFL Podcast discusses Tom Brady’s lawsuit and debates which veteran players are most likely to be cut.

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    Peter King@SI_PeterKing

    Russell Wilson and the Seahawks have agreed to a 4-year, $87.6-million extension, per source.

    #27797
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    What does Wilson’s deal mean for the Rams?

    In terms of Foles, it used to be that starting qbs up for their 2nd contract were getting around 18 M on avg., with the low end being 16 M and the high end being 20 M.

    Maybe Wilson is raising the avg. He’s just under 22 M a year.

    Maybe now the avg. is 19 M with the low end/high end being 17-21+.

    If Foles signs for less that that range, IMO, it would be because he has accepted the early extension discount.

    If not, any deal would likely be in the 16-18 M range.

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    #27799
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    I read that Wilson’s contract is a 4 year extension. That means that some portion will be paid this year. That will affect the average per year. imo

    But, most of the second contracts are extensions, so you can still make rough comparative estimates.

    I think the guaranteed money is the key, or when can the team cut a player if they want.

    15 percent of the salary cap seems to be the top pay for QBs. 2015 = 143M x .15 = ~21.5.

    I am sure Demoff had an extension for Bradford figured into his cap forcast, which probably is more than they will have to play Foles.

    Anyway, I am more worried about if Foles is the guy we want to be our QB for the future. In the end you will have to pay a certain salary for your QB. I just hope our guy/Foles can earn his contract. I would wait to see how Foles does, I would like the Rams to sign him to a smaller guarantee which would more important than the average yearly salary. imo

    btw, Wilson’s guarantee is 60M. But that might be partly fluff.

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    The Seahawks and quarterback Russell Wilson agreed to a four-year contract extension Friday morning.

    Per Sports Illustrated’s Peter King, the deal is for $87.6 million. Wilson will get a $31 million signing bonus and nearly $60 million in guaranteed money.

    The sides had until noon Friday to beat the deadline to reach a new deal.

    Wilson’s $21.9 million average salary is second only to Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers ($22 million) among NFL quarterbacks.

    In his first three seasons, Wilson has led the Seahawks to the playoffs three times and two Super Bowls, winning after the 2013 season and losing last year.

    http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2015/07/reports-seahawks-russell-wilson-agree-to-four-year-87-million-contract/#31523101=0

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    Pete Carroll still hopeful for deal with Bobby Wagner

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/31/pete-carroll-still-hopeful-for-deal-with-bobby-wagner/

    GLENDALE, AZ – Russell Wilson received a shining new contract from the Seattle Seahawks on Friday. Meanwhile, fellow 2012 draft pick Bobby Wagner continues to wait for one of his own.

    While Wilson’s contract eats up a sizable portion of Seattle’s remaining salary cap for this season, head coach Pete Carroll was adamant that it doesn’t preclude the Seahawks from signing Wagner to an extension as well.

    “We’re still working, got big stuff to do today. We’re still working. We’re not finished, in case you were wondering,” Carroll said.

    “We’re on it. Whoever thought that we were done with that thing that was not right. We’re on it and we’re going to keep competing to get that done. We have planned for this for a long time and nothing has changed in all that. Our guys are working at it by the hour here.”

    Wagner expressed support for Wilson in his new contract, saying he was “proud and happy” for Wilson. However, Wagner appeared sufficiently upset that he was still without a new deal himself.

    “It could be done, it could not be done. When I have something to sign than it will be done,” Wagner said.

    Wilson and agent Mark Rodgers set a Friday deadline for negotiations for his new deal. Does Wagner have a deadline of his own in mind?

    “Now. That’s my deadline,” he said.

    Per the NFLPA, the Seahawks had $9.2 million in cap space before Wilson’s contract was done. Wilson’s new deal lowers Seattle’s cap room to just under $4 million. That alone could be enough to get a deal done with Wagner.

    However, the salary cap is only calculated off the Top 51 contracts in the offseason. In-season, it counts all 53 active roster players, practice squad, injured reserve, PUP/NFI, etc. So effectively, the Seahawks don’t have that much usable cap space.

    If Seattle were to get Wagner done, it could necessitate the need to part with other veteran players to get under the salary cap before Week 1.

    #27932
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    Inside the numbers: Russell Wilson’s deal broken down year by year
    August 1, 2015 10:13 am ET

    Maybe Russell Wilson didn’t receive a market-setting deal when agreed to sign a four-year, $87.6 million extension with the Seahawks on Friday, but a closer look at the contract shows the Seahawks quarterback made out just fine.

    Here are Wilson’s base salaries and cap numbers:

    Wilson gets $31 million to sign, with $20 million coming on Aug. 10. The remainder is due in April.

    The cap numbers are very manageable and can be lowered more by turning $10 million or more of base to bonus in a year like 2016 or 2017 — and spreading it over the remainder. With the cap soaring and with quarterback salaries on the rise, these sides could easily be back at the bargaining table by 2017.

    Wilson’s $31 million in true guaranteed money at signing is well below many top quarterback deals. His $56.6 million over the first three years of the deal is well below the $67 million Cam Newton received or the $65 million Ben Roethlisberger got. However, Wilson was negotiating off a measly third-round rookie deal and set to make just $1.5 million this year — so getting the $31 million was huge for him.

    Wilson’s injury guarantee totals $61 million — with $31 million coming from the signing bonus in addition his full 2016 and 2017 salaries guaranteed for injury ($25 million total) as well as $4.9 million of his 2018 salary guaranteed for injury now. The future years can become guaranteed for skill and cap at later dates as well, but are not as of now (at the time of signing).

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25256608/inside-the-numbers-russell-wilsons-deal-broken-down-year-by-year

    For me this deal translates to: 4yrs at 20.5 million/yr. They can cut him in 2018 after 3 years. The payout for those 3 years = 56.6 million or 19.2 million/yr.

    Wilson was drafted 75 in 2012. Foles was drafted 88 in 2012. Let’s try using Wilson’s contract to project Foles’ contract.

    Let’s keep the bonus money the same – 31M and drop the average salary 18M/yr. or minus 4M/yr in 2016-2019.

    The 3 yr payout is 48.6 or 16.2m/yr. Looking at this, we could probably drop the signing bonus by 5 or 6 million and get Foles for ~15M for the first 3 years. Then we can cut him if we want. imo

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    #27933
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    If Foles doesn’t sign and if he gets 22M/yr = 44M in 2016 and 2017, that compares to the 40.2M he would get for 2015, 16, 17. Or The Rams could just wait and tag him for ~20 million for one year, then go with Mannion. Or even just go with Mannion next year?! 😉

    There is no right or wrong way to do this. Any of the possible paths are all gambles. They are all gambles that the Rams can afford. It is just which gamble has the best chance of working out the best or which gamble are you most comfortable taking. imo

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    Seahawks can’t pay many (any) more guys

    Mike Florio

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/03/seahawks-cant-pay-many-any-more-guys/

    Peter King of TheMMQB.com has a sobering stat for the week, relating to the Seahawks. He shows that the franchise has nearly $100 million per year tied up in only 10 guys. That leaves roughly $50 million (in 2015) for paying the other 43 guys on the 53-man roster, along with all the other extra players who need to be signed as members of the active roster land on injured reserve.

    Five of those players now have eight-figure annual averages, up from three only three days ago. Quarterback Russell Wilson’s average burden increased by an order of magnitude (nerd), from $1.542 million to $17.82 million. Cornerback Richard Sherman remains at $14 million per year, running back Marshawn Lynch moves to $10.8 million for 2015, linebacker Bobby Wagner has increased to $10.75 million (another order-of-magnitude move), and safety Earl Thomas remains at $10 million even.

    Behind them are tight end Jimmy Graham ($9 million), defensive end Cliff Avril ($7.13 million), defensive end Michael Bennett ($7.13 million), safety Kam Chancellor ($7 million), and linebacker K.J. Wright ($6.75 million).

    Bennett skipped much of the offseason program in an effort to get more money, and Chancellor was a surprise holdout for the start of training camp. Three days in, the holdout continues.

    And that’s where team goals and individual needs conflict. Players always should go for every last dollar during careers of limited duration, even if the pursuit of every last dollar could land the player (or some of his teammates, like Tony McDaniel) elsewhere.

    “You’ve only got so much [cap room],” Sherman said Sunday, via Bob Condotta of the Seattle Times. “If it was like baseball we’d have quite a team.”

    They still have quite a team. The challenge will be holding that team all together as guys clamor to get compensation that better reflects their perceived value, commitment, and sacrifice.

    “He has taken a stand and I support him,” Sherman said regarding Chancellor. “He’s like a brother to me and when you take a stand like this, you don’t get a lot of support from the fans about honoring contracts. But we understand the things he goes through week in and week out and the trauma he puts his body through and the sacrifices he makes.”

    Sherman pointed out that players constantly face very real risk of injury, and that Chancellor played in the Super Bowl with an MCL that was “80 percent torn.”

    “It’s a 100 percent injury rate, as they have said so eloquently time after time,” Sherman said. “But that’s what you play for, guys play to win because we obviously play to win. The compensation is just something that comes with it and guys appreciate compensation, guys appreciate being taken care of.

    “But there is always more. Kam is making $4.5 million this year. I mean, you can go down the list of guys making more than Kam Chancellor this year that are not better than Kam Chancellor in any way, stretch or form. But that’s unfortunate. So hopefully they can come together on some number.”

    If they do, it’ll reduce the number available for the other 43 guys who make the 53-man roster. Which will force the Seahawks to rely on plenty of younger guys with low fixed incomes via the rookie wage scale, who eventually will be in position to earn more money from the Seahawks or someone else after putting in three or four years of high-level performance.

    Of course, if/when that happens there’s a chance that the Seahawks will choose the younger stars over some of the 10 players currently accounting for nearly $100 million in cap space.

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    How Bobby Wagner went from berated to NFL’s highest-paid MLB; how the Seahawks keep re-signing stars

    By Gregg Bell

    Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article29828851.html#storylink=cpy

    From berated and doubted, poked and prodded before the draft to the highest-paid middle linebacker in NFL history.

    It’s been an extraordinary, now-unprecedented three years for Bobby Wagner.

    When Wagner was coming out of Utah State as a senior before the 2012 draft, he made the customary rounds of visits to NFL teams. His worst stop, by far: Seattle.

    First came a sit-down with then-Seahawks linebackers coach Ken Norton. The three-time Super Bowl-champion linebacker and intimidating coach basically embarrassed the young Wagner, who didn’t figure out until later Norton was testing his mental toughness.

    “He probably lowered my guard down,” Wagner said of Norton, now Oakland’s defensive coordinator, following Sunday’s training-camp practice at the Virginia Mason Athletic Center. “We watched probably 40 plays. The first five were the best plays I’ve ever seen at Utah State.

    “The next 35 were the worst plays I had at Utah State.

    “He just killed me. Every single play,” Wagner said.

    “He’s a great dude. I appreciate him. I’ve got to thank him. He definitely made me the player that I am.”

    The player Wagner now is is the highest-paid middle linebacker in NFL history. He signed his $43 million, four-year contract extension with the Seahawks late Saturday night.

    He’s the anchor of the league’s best defense two years running. He is the second of the Seahawks’ top two priorities to sign before this regular season, part of Seattle’s wowing, $130.7 million weekend in which it signed quarterback Russell Wilson and Wagner to their deals 39 hours apart.

    “I’m blessed,” Wagner said.

    To think, he was almost bounced by the Seahawks. General manager John Schneider was concerned with Wagner’s kidney functioning before that 2012 draft.

    “After that (not-so-fun meeting with Norton) I walked into John’s office and they’re telling me that I need to stay here and do more tests on my kidneys,” Wagner said. “And I’m thinking between Coach Norton and them finding out about my kidneys, I thought that they weren’t going to pick me.”

    The Seahawks did, in the second round. Three and a half years, two Super Bowls and an NFL title later, Wagner is an indispensable part of Seattle’s young, championship core.

    “To be in this position right now it’s truly a blessing,” he said.

    It’s also a continuation of what those around the NFL say you just can’t do in this era of salary caps and parity. Teams aren’t supposed to be able to keep young, accomplished players who want more money after winning titles. Many league observers wrote as recently as Friday that the only way the defending two-time NFC champions would be able to keep Wagner now that Wilson had signed his $87.6 million extension (making him the NFL’s second-highest paid quarterback) was to give Wagner the team’s franchise tag and one-year deal in 2016.

    Those folks weren’t inside Seahawks headquarters. There, the front office was finishing Wilson’s deal with negotiations with Wagner’s agent already weeks old. The Seahawks knew what they could give Wilson and what that would leave Wagner. It was a two-step proposition for the last month.

    Schneider, coach/executive vice president Pete Carroll and the unsung hero of this heyday for the Seahawks’ franchise, chief contract negotiator and salary-cap guru Matt Thomas, have locked up Kam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, K.J. Wright, Marshawn Lynch, Cliff Avril, Michael Bennett, Doug Baldwin and now Wilson and Wagner to extensions over the last two years. That’s $369.7 million in re-signings, in a league whose salary cap is $143.28 million per team this year. Whose financial structure is specifically designed to keep teams from doing what Seattle is pulling off.

    All that cash doesn’t count the $40 million contract of Jimmy Graham, the league’s most accomplished tight end the last three years. Schneider and Carroll traded for that in March, to drastically upgrade an offense that threw the ball fewer times than any other team last season.

    How do they do it all?

    Partly through taking flyers on cheap, undrafted free agents such as wide receivers Baldwin and Jermaine Kearse and now new left guard Alvin Bailey as starters around the big-bucks core.

    And partly by shedding the contracts of veterans who may or may not have been in Seattle’s core, and if they were they weren’t young enough. That includes Red Bryant, Chris Clemons, Max Unger (traded to New Orleans for Graham) and Percy Harvin, whose $7.2 million in prorated signing-bonus savings from 2015-17 helped fit Wilson’s and Wagner’s extensions under the cap.

    It now also includes Tony McDaniel. The latest move to make these re-signings work came Sunday morning when the team released its starting defensive tackle to save close to $3 million against this year’s cap. The 30-year-old McDaniel started 29 of 32 regular-season games in his two seasons with Seattle.

    Carroll smiled Sunday when it was mentioned the Seahawks are doing what everyone says can’t be done.

    “Conventional wisdom and me don’t get along very well,” Carroll said.

    “Honestly, way back when, when we first got here (in 2010), we wanted to (see) if we could build a team around personalities that we really thought were the ones. And it’s happened, and we’ve been able to do that. It does call for us to be committed to young guys, which we’ve done all along … young guys are going to have to fill in the spots to complement the guys that we’ve been able to compensate.

    “I kind of like it. This is the way we wanted to go with the team. We wanted to go with a bunch of guys that connected and tied together, and see how far that can take us. In a time when people don’t talk that way, I like that. Matty’s been great, he’s a real pro, a real pro. He and John have worked together beautifully. They’ve got their way they work off of one another, but Matt has demonstrated tremendous consistency, commitment to the plan. He’s been an integral part of what’s going on.”

    So what’s next?

    With Wilson and Wagner done, all the team’s efforts turn to getting Chancellor to end his holdout and report to training camp. The team finished its third practice Sunday.

    “The focus had to be on (Wilson and Wagner); we were in the midst of these talks for some time, so we were still working with that,” Carroll said. “But our focus is never off of Kam. He is such an integral part of this team, and we love the guy so much.

    “Now we really can get after it. I’m hoping we can get back to it as soon as possible. We miss the heck out of him.”

    Wagner said the same thing. But something says, going by Schneider’s and Carroll’s track record, they’ll be able to move some money around some way to get Chancellor in camp sooner than later.

    By the way, what it is about Wagner’s kidneys that had the Schneider and the Seahawks so concerned in 2012?

    Wagner revealed Sunday “my kidneys don’t function as well as they should.”

    Imagine how even better the richest middle linebacker in the league would play if they did.

    #28166
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    The Seahawks Superstar Roster Strategy

    http://overthecap.com/the-seahawks-superstar-roster-strategy/

    It was a big week for the Seahawks who signed quarterback Russell Wilson to a big contract extension and then locked up linebacker Bobby Wagner to a top market contract. The moves, while expected, have clearly defined the Seahawks strategy of building a star laden roster at certain positions, while sacrificing the second tier players and instead relying on rookies and lower payscale “value” players to make up the roster. While they are not the only team to take this approach (the Packers were a team I specifically discussed in my marginal value analysis at the top of the roster) the Seahawks are now going to blow them, and anyone else, in the NFL away in this regard. So let’s take a quick look at the Seahawks heavy investment in their top talent.

    Remember when we talk about the marginal value (or marginal cost) in a player we are looking at their cost above the average for their position, broken down by tier (i.e. 2nd highest paid corner is CB2, 2nd highest paid S is S2, or in almost all cases SS, etc…). These costs represent the additional value that they believe they are receiving from a player by signing him to an above average contract. Here are the top marginal value players on the Seahawks roster:

    Player Position APY Marginal Value APY Rank
    Russell Wilson QB $21,900,000 $9,100,000 2
    Marshawn Lynch RB $12,000,000 $7,575,595 2
    Richard Sherman CB $14,000,000 $5,659,447 3
    Bobby Wagner ILB $10,750,000 $5,463,934 1
    Kam Chancellor SS $7,000,502 $5,183,546 1
    Jimmy Graham TE $10,000,000 $5,093,762 1
    Cliff Avril DE2 $7,125,000 $4,525,661 2
    Earl Thomas FS $10,000,000 $4,392,445 1
    Cary Williams CB2 $6,000,000 $3,072,617 5
    KJ Wright 43OLB $6,750,000 $2,582,386 1
    Russell Okung LT $8,083,333 $2,096,979 10
    Total 11 $113,608,835 $54,746,372 2.6

    These are massive numbers. No team in the NFL comes close to competing on this scale. $113.6 million per year tied up in who the Seahawks perceive as the 11 most valuable additions to their team. While salary cap costs can certainly be manipulated, the cost on an annual basis represents about 80% of the current salary cap limit of $143.28 million.

    The average rank of these players at their sub-position is 2.6, and if we pull Okung, who is on a rookie contract, out of the mix its 1.9. The cost over average invested in these players is nearly $55 million. These are superstars and this is a superstar roster, the likes of which has likely not been seen since the earliest days of the salary cap when the Dallas Cowboys, San Francisco 49ers, and to a lesser extent, Denver Broncos, were finding ways to keep star filled teams together. I’d imagine the modern team that would most resemble this grouping is the Indianapolis Colts in the heyday of Manning, Harrison, and James, but they never had this kind of across the board investment.

    To put these numbers in perspective the top 11 marginal valued players on the Packers, who are the other big spender, cost $96 million in APY at $42.5 million in marginal value. The Cowboys are at $95/31 and the Dolphins at $88/$40. In their division the ranks are the Cardinals at $88/$26, Rams at $65/$30, and stripped down 49ers at $72/$24. Quite frankly nobody is close to the Seahawks investment in star players.

    Seattle should make for a very interesting case study moving forward in the approach to roster building in the NFL. Many people feel they are destined for salary cap trouble. I’m not one of those people. As long as they continue to prioritize and make the tough call on the second and third tier talents they should be fine. They gain benefits right now by essentially spending nothing at receiver and along the offensive line. Defensive tackle will likely be headed there too. That’s the tradeoff. Rookies, UDFAs, bargain basement veteran contracts.

    Seattle has also benefitted greatly, which people are not taking into account with many of these contracts, from focusing on early extensions for a talent pool that has almost all far exceeded their draft grade. By sticking with four year extensions the team is limiting the bonus money they need to pay their talent while still gaining the five year proration benefit by hitting in the players walk year. With players like Wilson and Sherman working from such low base salaries compared to a Cam Newton or Patrick Peterson, the true APY for cap accounting purposes is far lower than the stated annual value. Even a contract like Jimmy Grahams has some benefit in that the Saints at some of the cost in his one year in New Orleans. The four year program allows the team to turn their roster over every three years with limited dead money as they pick and choose who to keep. That may not be the case with longer term deals.

    For Seattle to have success with this program it is going to rely on a few things. First and foremost is no restructures, and specifically funny business with void years. They have to honor their initial valuation of these players and not compromise themselves by bringing cap figures down this season for future cap flexibility. If it means cutting the likes of Tony McDaniel or Brandon Mebane you cut them. Once they begin the restructure process that benefit of the low cap APY vanishes for all but one season of the contract.

    Secondly they have to resist the urge to go into free agency and cut any monster contracts. Four year extensions with one cheap rookie year are the structures that the team needs to allow this kind of investment in so few players to work from a salary cap standpoint. Once you move into traditional five year, monster contracts you blow up the system. Trades are ok as long as they are of the Graham variety where a salary has already been paid that is larger than the contract APY and is a somewhat proven player. You don’t want to go the Percy Harvin expensive gamble route where you are cutting the big bonus check. Mid tier value players like a Michael Bennett or Cliff Avril are also fine to consider.

    Continue to draft well but stay out of the top 10 of the draft. Injuries happen. Teams don’t fire sometimes. Everyone ends up in the top 10 at some point and for as crazy as it sounds Seattle could end up this year if the wrong guys got hurt. But those top picks carry a bigger price. The option year salary for such players can be massive compared to the salaries earned by those drafted 11-32. Those option years just increase the value of the deal and can cause a team to over-guarantee a contract and overextend themselves in both years and signing bonus money. While there is no denying the talent that is at the top (and it is cheap for a few years), long term this type of strategy is going to pay off with the quantity over quality approach. If you land in the top 10 by all means turn that into 3 picks through the draft.

    So we’ll see how things work out for Seattle. It’s a unique vision, maybe one brought on by circumstance and good fortune as much as planning, but I’ll be curious to see if they can sustain this quality of roster for the next three years while still driving performance on the field.

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    That was an interesting article. Basically that means we should let Fairley walk after this year. imo

    We keep the RFAs that we want and Zuerlein.

    Sign Foles? and Quick.

    Sign Jenkins and McCleod.

    Then look at keeping our DEs. We probably can keep then all, if we want.

    The 2016 draft is just average at best. But, the best positions are DE, DT, CB, and OT. We can replace any 3 of those positions with our first 3 draft choices(DE, DT, CB). imo

    It all looks good to me.

    I did a salary cap thing somewhere on this board. Which I am too lazy to look up. Basically, I figured we could keep 7 or 8 of our top 10 FAs for next year. I am letting Johnson, one of our DEs, and Fairley walk. Then using the draft to replace those 3 players, if I have too.

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    Ross Tucker podcast


    Andrew Brandt breaks down the Brady transcript and Russell Wilson’s new contract.

    @ 16:20 in, they talk about Wilson’s contract and the salary cap in general. Then they talk about Philly and extending Bradford.

    Agamemnon

    #28173
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    NFL Future Financial Power Rankings

    http://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/nfl-future-financial-power-rankings-536/

    This stuff is a bit Arcane, but what it is, is their ranking of who is in the best position in the salary cap for 2016. We are in good shape compared to the rest of the NFL. imo We still won’t be able to keep everybody. But we can keep more than almost any other team. imo

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    How you control the salary cap.

    You draft well. This gives you cheap talent.

    You extend the rookie contracts of your best players. This gives you the best value.

    You keep the difference makers. You keep the difference makers that return the best value.

    You pay as you go. You don’t use tomorrow’s resources today.

    Agamemnon

    #28537
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    RFAs: 45 million

    Washington, B probably don’t make the team in 2015
    Davis, Austin probably don’t make the team in 2015
    Keenum, Case
    Harkey, Corey
    Reynolds, Chase

    Marshall McFadden probably don’t make the team in 2015
    Korey Toomer probably don’t make the team in 2015
    Cody Davis

    Zuerlein, Greg = 2 million or new kicker
    Total: 4 of 8 x 1.5 million = 6 million
    MISC Cap Expenses for 2016 = 7 million
    Cap Space for 2016 = ~50 million 47 million

    ———————————————————— 35/32 million left -? 12 million Foles = 23/20 million
    FAs Offense:

    Quick, Brian = 5 million
    Pead, Isaiah probably won’t get persued in 2016
    Givens, Chris probably won’t get persued in 2016
    Foles, Nick = ? 12 million

    FAs Defense: = ?18/15 million

    Jenkins, Janoris = 7 million
    McLeod, Rodney = 4 million
    DUNBAR, JO-LONN probably won’t get persued in 2016 or minimum

    equals, 7/4 million left for these 5
    Mark Barron probably replaced by Alexander in 2016
    Johnson, Trumaine Draft

    HAYES, WILLIAM = 4 million
    Sims, Eugene = 3 million????Draft
    Fairley, Nick = 9 million Draft

    The article talks a lot about keeping FAs. So, here are my latest projections for that. After every conceivable thing is taken care of. If my projections are close, I end up with 7-4 million for 5 FAs. This is without and cutting or restructuring.

    Agamemnon

    #28619
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    If my projections are close, I end up with 7-4 million for 5 FAs. This is without and cutting or restructuring.

    By that do you mean that you end up with 7-4 M left in 2016 after signing Rams guys?

    #28623
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    If my projections are close, I end up with 7-4 million for 5 FAs. This is without and cutting or restructuring.

    By that do you mean that you end up with 7-4 M left in 2016 after signing Rams guys?

    That is obsolete now, since we have the structure of Foles contract.

    That was the point of the whole post. So, yes. 😉

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    Agamemnon

    #28624
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    equals, 11/8 million left for these 5
    Mark Barron probably replaced by Alexander in 2016
    Johnson, Trumaine- Draft

    HAYES, WILLIAM = 4 million
    Sims, Eugene = 3 million????Draft
    Fairley, Nick = 9 million Draft

    This lets me add 4 million on 2016. But it means we have only about 4/5 million left at this time this year. Which means we might have to trim the roster a bit to extend more FA contracts.

    Pead already took a cut.
    Givens has a potential 1 million savings
    Davis has a potential 1 million savings
    Redoing Quinn could give us about 4 million
    We will just have to see how Demoff handles it.

    Agamemnon

    #28637
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    So putting extra dollars into ’15 leaves the Rams with $4.6 million of salary cap space according to figures filed with the NFL Players Association.

    By Jim Thomas – http://theramshuddle.com/topic/breaking-down-rams-quarterback-nick-foles-contract-extension/#post-28636

    Agamemnon

    #28674
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    This early projection of the 2016 draft might influence which future FAs we try to extend and keep.
    4 – DEs
    4 – OTs
    3 – CBs
    3 – QBs
    3 – DTs
    all in the top 25 players.


    We will probably have 3 picks in the top 50. imo
    It appears that we can get value at CB, DE, DT with all of our first 3 picks. At each pick there will be a choice of any of th0se 3 positions, at least using this projection.

    Of course their might be a better player at some other position that trumps a DE, CB, or DT, that is fine too. In the end, me and Snead are picking players, not positions. 😉

    Agamemnon

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