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March 25, 2015 at 10:18 pm #21519znModerator
Change to extra points likely in NFL
PHOENIX (AP) – Spice it up.
The NFL’s dullest play, the extra point, appears to be headed for some changes, perhaps significant ones, for the 2015 season.
While team owners didn’t vote on any extra-point proposals Wednesday, there was so much discussion and interest in potential changes that the issue will be a main focal point for the next set of league meetings in May.
“There’s a clear movement to wanting to change and change it this year,” said Rich McKay, co-chairman of the competition committee and president of the Falcons.
McKay’s committee will “develop alternatives and be ready for a potential vote” in two months in San Francisco.
Among the possibilities are moving the line of scrimmage back for PAT kicks; placing the ball on the 1½-yard line for a 2-point conversion; eliminating the PAT kicks entirely, requiring teams to run a play from scrimmage; and allowing the defense to score, as in college football, if the ball is turned over on a 2-point try.
McKay described the discussions as “lively, with lots of ideas … it’s time to make this a football play.”
“A couple coaches said they favor just lining up on the 2 and going for the 2-point play,” he said. “Or move the ball to the 1 1-2 for two points, or kick from the 15 for one, your choice.”
The league experimented with extra-point kicks from a longer distance last preseason.
Currently, the line of scrimmage for both an extra point and 2-point conversion try is the 2-yard line.
Voted down as the meetings concluded was Chicago’s proposal that each team get a possession in overtime regardless of what happens on the first series.
Now, if the side receiving the OT kickoff scores a touchdown, the game ends. If it kicks a field goal, the opponent gets a possession.
Unsportsmanlike penalties handed out at the end of a half now will carry over, either to the second half or to overtime.
Lining up players with eligible numbers at ineligible positions, as New England did against Baltimore in the playoffs, now has more specific guidelines. Those players must line up inside the tackle box.
The owners also approved teams with retractable domes being allowed to open them at halftime, weather permitting, and allowing linebackers to wear numbers from 40-49; previously they could wear only numbers in the 50s and 90s.
Commissioner Roger Goodell spoke briefly about two high-profile personal conduct cases in which both players, Greg Hardy and Adrian Peterson, remain on the exempt list.
Goodell said the league continues to review Hardy’s case to determine if discipline is warranted. Hardy signed earlier this month with Dallas.
Goodell said the date for Adrian Peterson’s suspension to end remains April 15. The Vikings running back had the ban overturned by appeal, a decision the NFL now is appealing itself.
Also Wednesday:
-The NFL is not focused necessarily on having a team or teams back in Los Angeles in 2016, but it is a hot topic. Goodell noted the league “wants to succeed long term” in LA, so “right now the focus is on the process and also understanding what it takes to be successful in the LA market.”
A report on all three teams interested in moving there – the Rams, Chargers and Raiders – is expected in late April, and Goodell said the owners then would discuss it in San Francisco.
-Expansion of the playoffs by two teams was discussed, but won’t be happening for a while. Goodell mentioned scheduling issues as well as competitive questions for such delays.
-Ted Wells’ investigation into the deflated footballs in the AFC championship game is ongoing, with no timetable on its conclusion.
-Texting during a game by Browns general manager Ray Farmer is still being investigated to see if any league rules were broken.
Earlier in the week, of the 13 video replay alterations proposed, including extending the number of coaches’ challenges and letting them challenge all officiating calls, the only one passed will allow game officials to use replay for clock issues at the end of a half, game or overtime if more than 1 second remains.
Five player safety rule changes were made, the most notable allowing a medical adviser to stop a game if he believes a player is disoriented, having the player removed from the field and examined on the sideline or in the locker room.
March 26, 2015 at 6:33 am #21525wvParticipantThere’s a lot in that article.
Lots of stuff going on.“-Ted Wells’ investigation into the deflated footballs in the AFC championship game is ongoing, with no timetable on its conclusion.”
Now why in the world would it be taking this long to investigate this?
How long does it take to interview the people involved
and look at the videos?w
vMarch 26, 2015 at 6:49 am #21529canadaramParticipantIn the end I’m not going to get too worked up about what the NFL decides to do with the PAT, but having the players line up to smash into each other for a short yardage play seems counterintuitive when one considers the recent changes made in the name of player safety.
EDIT: I mean generally speaking currently PATs don’t involve a lot more than the opposing linemen standing up and breathing on each other.
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March 26, 2015 at 5:14 pm #21552snowmanParticipantThere’s a lot in that article.
Lots of stuff going on.“-Ted Wells’ investigation into the deflated footballs in the AFC championship game is ongoing, with no timetable on its conclusion.”
Now why in the world would it be taking this long to investigate this?
How long does it take to interview the people involved
and look at the videos?w
vI think that means the league really doesn’t care and they aren’t going to do anything meaningful anyway. It’s like answering your kids with, “We’ll see.”
March 26, 2015 at 5:20 pm #21553wvParticipantThere’s a lot in that article.
Lots of stuff going on.“-Ted Wells’ investigation into the deflated footballs in the AFC championship game is ongoing, with no timetable on its conclusion.”
Now why in the world would it be taking this long to investigate this?
How long does it take to interview the people involved
and look at the videos?w
vI think that means the league really doesn’t care and they aren’t going to do anything meaningful anyway. It’s like answering your kids with, “We’ll see.”
Looks that way.
Thats certainly the perception
they are creating.w
vMarch 30, 2015 at 2:38 am #21746znModeratorExtra Points: How the PAT Could Change by This Fall
By Peter King
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/30/extra-points-pat-rule-change-nfl-draft/5/
The 32 teams are near unanimous in believing the point after touchdown needs to change. Precisely how is another story. The details of a compromise that goes to vote in May. Plus why the Saints own the draft and eight coaches on the spot
…the biggest change to NFL scoring in the 95-year history of the league is coming. If you don’t like it, get out of the way.
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Post-touchdown could feature three new ways of scoring.Last year, in a general session at an NFL meeting, the league’s 32 teams agreed—almost unanimously—that the point after touchdown was passé. Had to go. Too automatic. And so eight days ago, when the competition committee gathered in Phoenix to go over potential rule changes for the 2015 season, the committee was stuck on the PAT fix. There was nothing the group thought it could sell and get 24 votes from the teams. (A rule change needs a three-quarter vote to pass.) Find a compromise, the committee was told; the league can’t go another year with 99.6 percent extra-point efficiency—the league average for the past three years.
FULL STORY
So on Tuesday, each team had a chance to express opinions on what the new rule should be. Thirty of 32 teams said they wanted the PAT to change, as teams, one by one, had a chance to advance their own solutions. But the opinions on what the new rule should be “were all over the map,” one competition committee member told me in Phoenix. “That’s the problem now. No one can agree, and now we have to come up with a compromise that’ll get 24 votes in May.”
This is the most likely compromise to be advanced, and the most likely way the league will amend how teams can score after a touchdown:
Teams will have a choice whether to go for one or two points after a touchdown, from different distances.
If the offensive team chooses to kick for one point, the scrimmage line will move from the 2-yard-line to the 15-yard line, making it a 32- or 33-yard attempt.
If the offensive team chooses to go for two points, the scrimmage line will be either the 1.5- or 2-yard line. There was much debate about making it the 1, the 1.5 or the 2. The feeling about putting it on the 1 was that it could turn into too much of a scrum/push-the-pile play, or a fluky puncture-the-goal-line-with-the-ball-and-bring-it-back play by the quarterback. Pushing the play back would increase the chances of a real football play with some drama.
The defensive team would be able to score two points by either blocking the PAT and returning it downfield to the end zone, or by intercepting the two-point attempt and running it back, or recovering a fumble on the two-point play and returning it all the way.
Again, that’s not certain. Anytime you ask 24 teams to agree on anything, there’s a chance it won’t happen. But if 30 of 32 teams agree the PAT is broken, there’s a good chance they’d agree to change some form of the rule. And what I’ve laid out is the most likely scenario to be passed in May, during the next league meeting.
There always will be those who don’t want the scoring system to change, because of tradition, or the attitude that football’s not broken, so why fix it? But the PAT is broken. The current system of scoring was invented by the lords of college football in 1912—six points for a touchdown, one for an extra point, two for a safety, three for a field goal—with the two-point conversion added by the NFL in 1994. Now the PAT cries out to be fixed. It’s simply not a competitive play anymore. Fifteen teams have not missed a PAT this decade. Tennessee hasn’t missed one since 2005, Kansas City and San Francisco since 2006. The Patriots and Broncos, combined, are 436 of 436 since 2011. Doing nothing would be the mistake.
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