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March 21, 2015 at 1:13 pm #21501znModerator
Soon we will be finding out what they will be doing about all this.
March 21, 2015 at 1:13 pm #21202znModeratorfwiw, Travis Bond got some notice in last year’s camp reports.
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CoachO
Travis Bond 6’6 330 North Carolina
A big & powerful guy, he has been locked in at RG with the 2nd unit since the second day of training camp. Moves well for his size, and is a dominant run blocker. One of those guys when he gets his hands on you, it’s over. Has been a pleasant surprise for me. Could be a guy who manages to make the team, especially if they keep 10.
March 21, 2015 at 3:11 pm #21218znModeratorfwiw, Travis Bond got some notice in last year’s camp reports.
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CoachO
Travis Bond 6’6 330 North Carolina
A big & powerful guy, he has been locked in at RG with the 2nd unit since the second day of training camp. Moves well for his size, and is a dominant run blocker. One of those guys when he gets his hands on you, it’s over. Has been a pleasant surprise for me. Could be a guy who manages to make the team, especially if they keep 10.
Ah but. Some quick follow-up.
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CoachO
Bond caught my eye early on in camp, but as the preseason went on, the physical tools were negated by the mental part of his game.
He was the only guy on the roster who looked as physically imposing as Robinson, but the word I got was he just simply missed too many assignments to be counted on. As much as Joseph struggled, having Bond there, and never promoting him, tells me that there are some major concerns with his “aptitude”.
March 23, 2015 at 10:57 am #21288znModeratorTitans OL drafted under Fisher
Hits bolded. Hits = guys who started at least a season. I red-bolded especially good players
2009 4 135 Troy Kropog T
2009 7 239 Ryan Durand G
2007 4 115 Leroy Harris C
2007 7 223 Michael Otto T
2006 4 114 Joe Toledo T
2005 2 41 Michael Roos T
2005 4 113 David Stewart T
2005 5 150 Daniel Loper T
2004 5 138 Jacob Bell G
2004 7 239 Eugene Amano C
2003 7 225 Todd Williams G
2002 6 187 Justin Hartwig C
2001 6 199 Adam Haayer T
2000 7 237 Wes Shivers T
1999 3 81 Zach Piller G
1998 5 139 Benji Olson G
1998 7 229 Kevin Long C
1997 3 81 Scott Sanderson T
1996 2 48 Jason Layman G
1996 4 109 Jon Runyan T
1995 6 174 Hicham El-Mashtoub CHit rate = 11 of 21, or 52%
In comparison
Rams, 98 to 2008. (They did alright in 97 with Pace and Tucker.) Where there ARE hits, they;re knuckleheads. In fact, in 2005, they managed to take 3 knucklehead linemen in one draft.
I bolded the hit.
I don’t count knuckleheads as hits, though, technically, that’s not necessarily defensible.
1998 6 159 Glenn Rountree G
1999 5 145 Cameron Spikes G
2000 7 220 Andrew Kline G
2000 4 104 Kaulana Noa T
2000 3 94 John St. Clair T
2002 4 130 Travis Scott G
2003 6 184 Scott Tercero G
2004 7 238 Larry Turner C
2005 1 19 Alex Barron T
2005 3 81 Richie Incognito G
2005 4 134 Claude Terrell
2006 7 242 Mark Setterstrom G
2007 6 191 Ken Shackleford T
2007 5 139 Dustin Fry C
2008 5 157 Roy Schuening G
2008 3 65 John Greco GHit rate (minus knuckleheads) = 1 of 16, or 6%
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March 23, 2015 at 12:19 pm #21300znModeratorTitans OL drafted under Fisher… hit rate = 11 of 21, or 52%
We basically have no idea yet what the hit rate in St, Louis is on drafting OL because the evidence is not in.
The main advantage with the Oilers/Titans though IMO was that Fisher inherited a line that included Bruce Matthews and Brad Hopkins, which gave them a good line they could develop players behind.
10 years from now, how will his hit rate on drafting linemen for the Rams look?
Either way, it would have helped a bunch if he inherited more than just Saffold. He tried to compensate for that by taking the free agent route (Barksdale, Long, Wells) but as we know…injury demon.
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March 25, 2015 at 1:54 pm #21428znModeratorfrom off the net…I obviously post this cause I agree with it, er I mean it is the complete unadorned pure truth, er I mean it’s an opinion I share
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I agree that the Offensive Line is crucial to any success. The plan they put in place hasn’t produced the results they hoped for. Bottom line, the plan hasn’t worked out because of injuries, but the “plan” was sound.A unit of: Long – Robinson – Wells (prior to contracting a tick disease) – Saffold – Barksdale for 16 games would have been a VERY GOOD unit.
The only 1st round value on the OLine is LT. J. Long (former 1st overall election). Chris Williams (former 1st round pick) Greg Robinson (#2 overall) R. Saffold (#33 overall) J. Barksdale (3rd round). They have addressed this unit, and have brought in so many guys in the 3 years they have been here, I have lost count.
No team has been hit with injuries to one unit like the Rams have been at OL throughout that past few years. It doesn’t matter what they do in terms of building this unit, when one team is forced to play so many different players throughout a season, it will never be effective.
Adding pieces such as Wells, who prior to becoming a Ram, had been the model of consistency both in terms of the level of his play, and more importantly, his durability. So I for one, was excited about them getting him. Then they bring in J. Long, and he proved to be a definite upgrade at the position when on the field.
Wells had never had a history of injuries, and his knee wasn’t considered serious when they signed him (it was a scope). And the knee wasn’t the reason he missed 9 games that first season. He suffered a FREAK broken foot. Prior to that, he was the epitome of durability in Green Bay. Then he played well, when he returned.
In 2014 there was absolutely no way of knowing that Wells would contract a serious life threatening illness weeks before training camp. Then he was forced into action last year while undersized (lost 30 lbs with his illness), should have been a clue as to how banged up the position was. Jones goes down with back surgery.
While even knowing about Wells illness, they had Jones, Barnes and Rhaney all in line to step in until Wells recovered. But who could know that Jones would suffer a back injury that would require surgery, Rhaney would end up on IR the LAST WEEK of the preseason, and that Barnes would incur both a shoulder injury in camp, and then a rib injury 4 games into the season. Just to be able to get thru the Preseason they give Person a crash course at Center.
Drafting Barrett Jones is now looked upon as a huge mistake. But other than the foot injury, he had never shown to be a player with a history of injuries. How could anyone predict a back injury from lifting weights?
This is just one position as an example for LAST YEAR. I don’t care what team you are looking at, there just isn’t any way to prepare for that kind of “bad luck”.
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March 25, 2015 at 2:49 pm #21438ZooeyModeratorThis is clearly an issue of sage.
In 99, we correctly diagnosed that the Rams were cursed, although there remained dispute as to where the curse came from. We also correctly identified the cure. There was a lot of burning with sage. The Rams won, and everyone became complacent.
The curse has returned. It is most obviously manifested in the OL. And the cure is probably sage.
It’s worth a try.
Someone go find Old Hacker.
March 25, 2015 at 2:59 pm #21441DakParticipantSomeone go find Old Hacker.
If I had a dime every time someone said that …
March 25, 2015 at 3:05 pm #21443rflParticipantI’ll just say that I don’t buy the “injuries ate our OL” argument. Not completely.
Sure. Injuries have hurt–they always do. And we’ve been hard hit.
But we have …
1) made some questionable bets on players’ health and …
2) Failed to support our starters with solid developmental players.
I know others here disagree with #1 and probably with #2.
For now I’ll just cite one example. I would challenge the convenient notion that Jones’ failure is ONLY a matter of injury luck. I believe he came to us injured. There were questions about his strength. Far more importantly, I have never seen a positive assessment of his preparedness or performance when he was out there playing. I am not aware of the team ever really trying to get him on the field.
Talk to an NFL coach. Offer him the “injury excuse.” See how he reacts. Sure, no one can overcome catastrophic injuries. But every single NFL coach you talk to will say it’s his task to deal with injuries, to resist the temptation to hide behind the excuse.
In a decade of futility, I don’t see that it is possible to blame everything on injuries. Some freaking day, this organization has to take responsibility for fielding incompetent OLs year after year.
But, hey, that’s just me.
By virtue of the absurd ...
March 25, 2015 at 3:59 pm #21456znModerator1) made some questionable bets on players’ health and …
2) Failed to support our starters with solid developmental players.
I;m gonna disagree.
I blame you for that. You should write more posts I agree with. I thought it was clear that was the whole purpose of posting things on the net in the first place.
Anyway.
1. I think the only questionable bet was Long, and even then, the bet was that he could still play after 2 arm surgeries. No one predicted knee surgeries. As for people who say “well once a guy start’s getting injured it goes on,” actually, I think there’s more assumptions there than fact. I would like to see numbers on it. In terms of his play–Long was not a swift-footed dancer LOT type, but he was good in a play-action offense, especially as a run blocker. And having said all that, to be fair, I was against it when they first signed him.
2. They provided developmental players, they just didn’t draft them all. That’s what Barksdale was. A couple of other guys like Smith and Turner left, because apparently, once someone has been coached by Boudreau, the league buys them up on the free agent market and runs up their price (and more often than not they don’t play as well as they did in St, Louis). And it continues. This year it’s Person.
Against all odds, they got guys like Hunter and Richardson to play better than they had ever played before. Admittedly the magic ran out with Joseph, who didn’t live up to that.
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I will stand by this–cause numbers back it. When this OL (or, these OLs) have been relatively healthy, they play well. Heck PFF ranked the Rams OL 13th after the 2013 season.
As for JOnes. Remember to me “injured” does not mean “will be injured again in a different way.” Jones fell to the 4th round in the first place because he had the foot. The Rams do that–they take players they call “redshirts.” They did it last year with Christian Bryant. IMO it’s a wise use of lower picks–take a guy who will have a “redshirt” year but is valued higher than where you pick him. There was no way to predict that JOnes would then have a back injury and that that would set him back…it’s a freak thing. If Jones pans out (and I am not saying he will, not every draft pick does) then they will have gotten a player whose draft value without the foot was way higher than the 4th round.
And not only is Jones’s back injury not predictable, what’s even worse—going beyond “not predictable” territory into “now that’s just freaking weird” territory—who could have predicted Wells would get a rare infection, and then on top of it they would get injuries to BOTH Rhaney AND Barnes beyond just the injury to Jones.
And then in the same season Long would have a 2nd NON-CONTACT injury to the same knee. While Robinson somewhere along the line got an injury requiring off-season surgery (toe).
Maybe one or two of those events are due to poor planning, but, jeesh…all of them? At once? Long Wells Saffold Robinson Barnes Rhaney Jones?
7 players. No one in the league has the depth to replace an entire injured OL + 2. And it can’t be planned for.
That’s Twilight Zone stuff.
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March 25, 2015 at 5:45 pm #21467znModeratorJeff Fisher confident in getting O-line fixed
By Nick Wagoner
PHOENIX — Perhaps the St. Louis Rams haven’t showed the urgency that many would like when it comes to their holes on the offensive line, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t aware of what needs to be done over the next few weeks.
“Yeah, there’s still some spots available, if you will,” coach Jeff Fisher said Wednesday morning.
That’s putting it mildly. As it stands, the Rams have just three offensive linemen — left tackle Greg Robinson, guard Rodger Saffold and swingman Garrett Reynolds — with any meaningful NFL game experience. And even out of those three, Robinson is entering his second year with plenty of work to do, Saffold has a lengthy injury history and is coming off surgery and Reynolds was brought in to provide depth.
So the Rams have room for starters at one guard spot, right tackle and center. There are some obvious and known solutions for the Rams that still remain on the free-agent market and Fisher hinted that business could pick back up after this week’s owners meetings.
Heading up that list is right tackle Joe Barksdale. Fisher said discussions with Barksdale are on-going and he remains hopeful that something can get worked out. Barksdale was recently married and has been on his honeymoon so there might not have been a lot of urgency to get a deal done but Fisher pointed to prices early on that clearly exceeded what the Rams or any other team was willing to meet.
“I was a little surprised at their asking price initially,” Fisher said. “I think things have settled down a little bit. We’d like to have Joe back. Joe played well at times, he had some outstanding games. He had some difficult matchups as well. But Joe knows us … and I think it makes sense to get Joe back.”
That coincides with what we heard in February when various league types estimated prices for Barksdale anywhere from as low as $4 million per year all the way up to $7 million per year. If that price was indeed on the high end, it’s not much of a surprise that Barksdale is still available.
The same could probably be said for other free-agent options the Rams are still considering. Guard Justin Blalock and center Stefan Wisniewski remain available and the Rams have expressed at least some interest in both players. It’s unlikely the Rams have the cap space or the inclination to sign all three but they could find a way to make two work if they wanted.
“There’s still several free agents out there that we’re in discussions with but we’re looking toward the draft,” Fisher said. “It’s not one of those things we’re going to panic about particularly because of who we’ve got lined up.”
Fisher called this year’s draft “outstanding” as far as the offensive line is concerned which might also offer another clue as to why they have not been in a rush to sign players that might exceed where they have them valued.
There are also some younger in-house options who could be in the mix though the Rams’ confidence in those players might only be as real as how easily they can find an upgrade elsewhere.
At center, in particular, Fisher again offered an endorsement of sorts for Barrett Jones and Demetrius Rhaney. Jones has played a total of 22 snaps on offense in his first two seasons in the league and Rhaney sat out his rookie year after a knee injury in training camp.
“Barrett showed that he can play and we have confidence in Demetrius Rhaney,” Fisher said. “We have Greg and Rodg. We’ve added Garrett so we’ve got depth and we’re kind of excited about what direction we’re headed.”
Still, it would come as a surprise and be a major step in the wrong direction if the Rams don’t add a legitimate starter or two on the offensive line before the draft.
“Well, it’s either money or ideal fit,” Fisher said. “There are some players out there that still have value at a number of positions. Once we get back from the meetings then things pick up.”[
March 26, 2015 at 1:21 am #21521AgamemnonParticipanthttp://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/despite-holes-on-o-line-fisher-says-it-s-not/article_f190098b-2ef4-5289-ba7b-276bd72d91d8.html
Despite holes on O-line, Fisher says it’s not time to panic
15 minutes ago • By Jim ThomasPHOENIX • The help wanted sign remains out on the offensive line, Rams coach Jeff Fisher makes no bones about that.
“Yeah, there’s still some spots available, if you will,” he said, smiling.
Namely, starting center, guard, and right tackle. A mere 60 percent of the starting line.
“It’s not one of those things that we’re gonna panic about,” Fisher said Wednesday at the NFC coaches breakfast.
OK. Panic may be a little strong in late March. So how about mild concern?
“This draft in particular is outstanding as far as the offensive line is concerned,” Fisher said. “There’s still several free agents out there that we’re in discussions with. … Once we get back from the meetings, things tend to pick up again. So we may have another visit or two.”
The owners’ meetings concluded Wednesday, so let’s re-set the table on the offensive line. At last check, free-agent center Stefen Wisniewski was still in the “possible” category in terms of a visit to St. Louis. The former Oakland Raider made visits to Tampa Bay and Seattle early in free agency but remains unsigned.
The Kansas City Chiefs have been linked to him as well, and according to the Chicago Tribune, the Bears also. The Tribune reported that Wisniewski is seeking $4 million a year.
At guard, former Atlanta Falcon Justin Blalock was considering a visit to St. Louis as well, but as is the case with Wisniewski, that visit has yet to materialize. Blalock paid an early free-agent visit to Detroit but remains unsigned.
And then there’s Joe Barksdale. As Fisher confirmed, Barksdale aimed high in terms of a potential contract at the start of free agency. He then got married and remains on his honeymoon. Tennessee is the only other team known to have expressed interest, but Barksdale has yet to make any visits.
“I was a little surprised at their asking price initially,” Fisher stated bluntly.
(There has been some speculation that it was around $7 million a year.)
“I think things have settled down a little bit, so we’d love to have Joe,” Fisher continued. “Joe played well at times. He had some outstanding games. Had some difficult matchups as well. But Joe knows us, and Joe knows Coach (Paul) Boudreau. And it makes sense to get Joe back. We’d like to have him back; there’s been discussions.”
Boudreau is the team’s offensive line coach.
In terms of free-agent contract negotiations, once the owners’ meetings come and go, almost all of the leverage is with the team. Money starts drying up across the league, and teams turn almost all of their attention to the draft.
Even with their pressing needs on the offensive line, that’s true to a degree with the Rams. The team has committed $18.5 million in 2015 salary cap room in re-signing wide receiver Kenny Britt and tight end Lance Kendricks, and signing outside free agents defensive tackle Nick Fairley, outside linebacker Akeem Ayers and guard-tackle Garrett Reynolds.
That leaves the Rams with a shade over $11 million in salary cap room, which doesn’t include expenditures for the draft and practice squad. So financially, the Rams may simply not have enough room to sign Barksdale, Blalock and Wisniewski.
Keep in mind, too, that the team has paid defensive Robert Quinn his $10.2 million roster bonus. That means they can no longer convert it to signing bonus, which would have been an accounting method to free up additional cap space in 2015. That window has closed.
With just five weeks before the draft, it’s almost a certainty that the asking prices of Barksdale, Blalock and Wisniewski have gone down. That’s usually the main reason starting-caliber players are still unsigned this time of year.
“Well, it’s either money or ideal fit,” Fisher said. “Because there’s some players out there that still have value at a number of positions.”
But if the Rams either can’t afford or miss out on one or two of those offensive line free agents, there will be more pressure on them to come up with blockers in the draft who can contribute immediately.
Depth was added last week when they signed former Detroit and Atlanta offensive lineman Reynolds to a two-year, $2.2 million contract.
“Garrett played some right tackle in a few games at Detroit (in 2014),” Fisher said. “I thought he played pretty well. He’s a big, strong physical guard or right tackle. He’s one of those guys that just brings you good depth.”
Boudreau was Reynolds’ position coach for part of his time with Atlanta. And offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti was on North Carolina’s staff when Reynolds was there playing his college ball.
With 27 NFL regular-season starts, Reynolds also brings much-needed experience to the line. Left guard Rodger Saffold (60 starts) and left tackle Greg Robinson (12) are the only other offensive linemen currently under contract who have started a regular-season game in the NFL.
If Wisniewski ends up elsewhere, and the Rams fail to land a veteran center in free agency, 2013 draft pick Barrett Jones could suddenly find himself in a starting role after injuries derailed his first two NFL seasons.
“Barrett showed in a brief appearance that he can play,” Fisher said, referring to last year’s game at Kansas City, where he replaced an injured Scott Wells. “We have confidence in Demetrius Rhaney that he can come in and compete at the spot as well.”
Rhaney, drafted late in the seventh round in 2014, missed the entire season following a training camp knee injury.
The only other members of the offensive line are guard Travis Bond, guard Brandon Washington and tackle Steven Baker.
COACH HIRED
The Rams have hired Jeff Imamura as a defensive assistant. He was most recently at Minot State on the college level but previously worked on the Minnesota Vikings staff. Imamura is an extra body on the staff; he’s not replacing anyone.
March 29, 2015 at 3:07 am #21711znModeratorfrom off the net
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I think if Barnes does end up coming back he will jump to the front of the line and if Jones can make it thru healthy I can see him being a swing guy. The back injury cost Jones any chance to compete for any substantial role last year. But that being said, he was behind Barnes in the backup Center role at the time of his injury. Jones will have to show he can make it thru an entire camp healthy, and show improvement both being stronger, and in his ability to play the position at a consistent level.
Look for Barnes to be re-signed within the next week. The Rams have made another offer to him, and to my knowledge, it’s down to the Rams and one other team vying for his services. Just a matter if this other team wants to beat the Rams offer. If and when Barnes is brought back, IMO, he will come in as the early front runner to win the Center job, assuming they don’t sign Wisniewski.
They tried to give Bond every chance to make this roster last year and IMO he just isn’t very bright. Physically he had everything you look for. But missed far too many assignments to be trusted. If they can get that fixed he would be a big plus but may be limited to RG. As to Washington…. I think they see him in a versatile role similar to what Person was last year. I’m not all that high on him. Never have been he just doesn’t have the footwork and for his size just doesn’t play physical.
March 31, 2015 at 9:43 am #21847znModeratorfrom off the net
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I think if Barnes does end up coming back he will jump to the front of the line and if Jones can make it thru healthy I can see him being a swing guy. The back injury cost Jones any chance to compete for any substantial role last year. But that being said, he was behind Barnes in the backup Center role at the time of his injury. Jones will have to show he can make it thru an entire camp healthy, and show improvement both being stronger, and in his ability to play the position at a consistent level.
Look for Barnes to be re-signed within the next week. The Rams have made another offer to him, and to my knowledge, it’s down to the Rams and one other team vying for his services. Just a matter if this other team wants to beat the Rams offer. If and when Barnes is brought back, IMO, he will come in as the early front runner to win the Center job, assuming they don’t sign Wisniewski.
They tried to give Bond every chance to make this roster last year and IMO he just isn’t very bright. Physically he had everything you look for. But missed far too many assignments to be trusted. If they can get that fixed he would be a big plus but may be limited to RG. As to Washington…. I think they see him in a versatile role similar to what Person was last year. I’m not all that high on him. Never have been he just doesn’t have the footwork and for his size just doesn’t play physical.
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A couple of observations based on last year.
Travis Bond is pretty much a RIGHT Guard only. Other than taking a few snaps and Right Tackle in OTAs and a turn or two there during Training Camp, he took every other snap at RG. So, IMO, if he is indeed going to be in the mix, I would suggest looking at Saffold at LG (also more of a veteran presence next to Robinson).
Now, as far as Bond is concerned, I mentioned back then that he is one of the guys who really jumped out at me physically. He is BIG and strong. He is the type of guy who once he gets his hands on you, it’s over. The problem as they got further into the preseason, the more his mental mistakes and missed assignments became the defining issue.
That they brought him back last year and added him to the Practice Squad, hopefully is a sign that they think they can overcome some of those issues. They could do worse for an depth guy, but IMO, I believe he is limited in terms of being able to play only one position. At best, maybe two, if he can be an option at RT as well.
On another note, the one thing that stood out to me in last year’s camp, was for all the talk about how Barrett Jones had “re sculpted” his body, no one paid any attention to how much bigger Barnes was from his 2013 stint.
Barnes came into camp last year looking like an NFL Lineman. Everyone seems really quick to dismiss his signing, as they only see him as “the guy who couldn’t beat out Wells”. But suffice to say, if he had been healthy himself, he would have been playing. He is entering his 4th season as a Ram, and IMO, is now the front runner in the starting Center sweepstakes, barring a FA signing (Wisniewski?)
While in 2103, he got the opportunity to start the last 4 games of the season, he was not nearly physical enough. When he came to camp in 2014, he looked ready physically. He pinched a nerve in his neck around the second week of camp, and he toughed it out still taking all the reps. Then he hurt his shoulder, which did in fact cause him to miss almost a full week of practice. That’s when they were forced to work Mike Person it at Center just to be able to practice. Eventually Wells got back to the point he could participate, albeit at less than an optimal weight. But he was still the best option at that point.
Once the season got started, Barnes was active and participating on both Special Teams (FG/XP Unit, and Kickoff Return), as well as being the primary addition on the “Jumbo” (short yardage/goalline ) package. He got hurt in the first SF game, with pretty bad bruised ribs, and it lingered for the rest of the season.
The thing is, for me anyway, is most fans look at a player like Barnes, and only see the player he has been to this point in his career. While I understand that’s the only point of reference they have, Tim Barnes is the perfect example of a player who could DEVELOP into a very good NFL lineman, and he is right on schedule in both timing and experience to have that happen.
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March 31, 2015 at 9:59 am #21848wvParticipantCoachO “…On another note, the one thing that stood out to me in last year’s camp, was for all the talk about how Barrett Jones had “re sculpted” his body, no one paid any attention to how much bigger Barnes was from his 2013 stint.
Barnes came into camp last year looking like an NFL Lineman. Everyone seems really quick to dismiss his signing, as they only see him as “the guy who couldn’t beat out Wells”. But suffice to say, if he had been healthy himself, he would have been playing. He is entering his 4th season as a Ram, and IMO, is now the front runner in the starting Center sweepstakes, barring a FA signing (Wisniewski?)..”
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for me.I’m so sick of injured Olinemen, that
i really want two or even three
healthy, young, bucks. With no injury history.w
vMarch 31, 2015 at 12:23 pm #21850znModeratori really want two or even three
healthy, young, bucks. With no injury history.Cool. We can then start a pool on what order they get injured in, and how often.
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March 31, 2015 at 12:41 pm #21852HerzogParticipanti really want two or even three
healthy, young, bucks. With no injury history.Cool. We can then start a pool on what order they get injured in, and how often.
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Stop sending negative thoughts into the universe! The line WILL be healthy….everyone needs to repeat that mantra.
It is annoying how all of our O-lineman get injured despite how many miles they have on ’em.
March 31, 2015 at 12:45 pm #21853znModeratorIt is annoying how all of our O-lineman get injured despite how many miles they have on ‘em.
Or…don’t have on them.
Last year Barnes had 3 injuries. He was in his 4th year.
Jones got the back injury in his 2nd year.
Rhaney got IRed as a rookie. The other rookie, Robinson, had toe surgery after the season.
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March 31, 2015 at 12:58 pm #21855HerzogParticipantIt is annoying how all of our O-lineman get injured despite how many miles they have on ‘em.
Or…don’t have on them.
Last year Barnes had 3 injuries. He was in his 4th year.
Jones got the back injury in his 2nd year.
Rhaney got IRed as a rookie. The other rookie, Robinson, had toe surgery after the season.
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Yeah, that’s the point I was trying to make.
March 31, 2015 at 1:02 pm #21856znModeratorYeah, that’s the point I was trying to make.
Oh.
Well why did you make me misread you, then.
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March 31, 2015 at 1:08 pm #21857wvParticipant.
Jones got the back injury in his 2nd year.
Rhaney got IRed as a rookie. The other rookie, Robinson, had toe surgery after the season.Well, Rhaney was, what? a 7th round, developmental pick
or somethin like that.He dont even count.
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vMarch 31, 2015 at 1:16 pm #21860znModeratorWell, Rhaney was, what? a 7th round, developmental pick
or somethin like that.He dont even count.
Unless he was more than that, and, counted.
March 31, 2015 at 1:29 pm #21862znModeratorwv wrote:
Well, Rhaney was, what? a 7th round, developmental pick
or somethin like that.He dont even count.
Unless he was more than that, and, counted.
In other words, there was some buzz about Rhaney. The camp reporters and the reporters noticed it, and the coaches mentioned it.
Compare that to Van Dyck, who was also a 7th round pick. Around him, there was…nothing. No buzz.
Buzz is not a guarantee. But, it stands out.
March 31, 2015 at 1:44 pm #21863wvParticipantwv wrote:
Well, Rhaney was, what? a 7th round, developmental pick
or somethin like that.He dont even count.
Unless he was more than that, and, counted.
In other words, there was some buzz about Rhaney. The camp reporters and the reporters noticed it, and the coaches mentioned it.
Compare that to Van Dyck, who was also a 7th round pick. Around him, there was…nothing. No buzz.
Buzz is not a guarantee. But, it stands out.
Ok, now i remember. I was thinking about Van Dyck.
Rhaney did seem to have some promise.
He also had that transcript-story.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/missing-high-school-transcript-nearly-derailed-shot-at-college-and-nfl-for-offensive-lineman-demetrius-rhaney-183421633-nfl.html
“….He lost his mother. He lost his grandmother and his great-grandmother on the same day. Then Demetrius Rhaney nearly lost his college dream because he lost his high school.What he still had, though, were the contents of a little sandwich bag. And from that little bag came one of the most inspiring journeys to the doorstep of the NFL….”
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March 31, 2015 at 2:01 pm #21866znModeratorRhaney did seem to have some promise.
He also had that transcript-story.
“….He lost his mother. He lost his grandmother and his great-grandmother on the same day. Then Demetrius Rhaney nearly lost his college dream because he lost his high school.
What he still had, though, were the contents of a little sandwich bag. And from that little bag came one of the most inspiring journeys to the doorstep of the NFL….”
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vhe earned his degree in a year and a half. That was after earning his associates degree at Ellsworth. He is the first man in his family to graduate from college.
March 31, 2015 at 2:26 pm #21867HerzogParticipantYeah, that’s the point I was trying to make.
Oh.
Well why did you make me misread you, then.
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Lol….
I gotta think the turf is just death to big people. All that mass colliding, the cement just bounces all that kinetic energy back to the joints and body.
Disappointed to hear there will be no grass in L.A.
March 31, 2015 at 4:40 pm #21872HerzogParticipantwv wrote:
Well, Rhaney was, what? a 7th round, developmental pick
or somethin like that.He dont even count.
Unless he was more than that, and, counted.
In other words, there was some buzz about Rhaney. The camp reporters and the reporters noticed it, and the coaches mentioned it.
Compare that to Van Dyck, who was also a 7th round pick. Around him, there was…nothing. No buzz.
Buzz is not a guarantee. But, it stands out.
Ok, now i remember. I was thinking about Van Dyck.
Rhaney did seem to have some promise.
He also had that transcript-story.
“….He lost his mother. He lost his grandmother and his great-grandmother on the same day. Then Demetrius Rhaney nearly lost his college dream because he lost his high school.
What he still had, though, were the contents of a little sandwich bag. And from that little bag came one of the most inspiring journeys to the doorstep of the NFL….”
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vWhat a great story. Certainly someone you root for. Maybe Fisher wasn’t just giving lip service, and he’s legit and ready to go.
March 31, 2015 at 4:44 pm #21873wvParticipantWhat a great story. Certainly someone you root for. Maybe Fisher wasn’t just giving lip service, and he’s legit and ready to go.
Yeah, he bears watching.
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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/demetrius-rhaney?id=2549991
Hands – 9 1/2 inches
6’2″
301 lbs
Strengths
Very good quickness, agility and balance. Gets into blocks quickly and keeps battling through the whistle (see fourth play of second quarter vs. Bethune when loses helmet). Runs his feet on contact. Good lower-body power. Can wall off and seal short areas. Efficient working up a level. Solid anchor in pass protection.
Weaknesses
Average arm length and overall athletic ability. Could do a better job gauging his power on the move and connecting with moving targets.
Draft Projection
Rounds 5-6
Bottom Line
A compactly built, light-footed pivot who elevated his draft standing after clocking sub-5.0 40 times at his pro-day workout. Has the size, power and agility to eventually compete for a starting job.April 8, 2015 at 6:23 am #22321wvParticipantJust to re-emphasize a point zn is always making:
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http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/counting-on-rookies-is-part-of-the-game-for-packers-b99427035z1-288895071.htmlLinsley, the 161st overall selection (fifth round), was drafted later than any of the other 22 offensive and defensive players on the all-rookie team except cornerback E.J. Gaines of St. Louis, a sixth-round (188th) pick.
He gave the Packers an offensive line consisting of three fourth-round picks, one fifth and one first. The backups include another fourth and two free agents.
“That’s an amazing investment,” tackle David Bakhtiari said. “You look at any of us. If you can buy at the lowest possible with the maximum output, that’s the way to go.
“Is it good for us? No. But they know what they’re doing. I believe they do an absolutely phenomenal job drafting.”
April 8, 2015 at 8:48 am #22326znModeratorON STEVEN BAKER
The Giants like the 6-foot-8, 310-pound Baker enough to have signed him to a reserve/futures contract following those practice squad stints a season ago. Baker originally entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent with the Indianapolis Colts in 2012. He was released by the Colts on Aug. 31 and joined the Arizona Cardinals practice squad roster on Sept. 3.
So, what is it that the Giants see in Baker? Size and athleticism, that’s what.
Coming out of East Carolina, SI.com called Baker “a terrific athlete with the size and movement skills to play at the next level.” Strength was apparently a question for Baker, and he is considered a player who is limited to the right side.
Has Baker developed enough in two seasons of kicking around NFL training camps and practice squads to challenge for a roster spot? Considering that the Giants spent much of the offseason revamping their offensive line and adding veteran players for depth, Baker’s chances of becoming the backup to Justin Pugh seem slim. Yet, the Giants have seen enough to keep bringing him back for another look. So, keep an eye on his progress during training camp.
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