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December 3, 2023 at 8:11 pm #147196znModeratorStu Jackson@StuJRamsRams follow up 37 points against the Cardinals last week with 36 points against the Browns this week. 37 is season-high; 36 obviously second-highest..Rich Eisen@richeisenDont look now but the @RamsNFL are now the 7-seed in the NFC through 13 weeks, supplanting the @Seahawks The @packers become the 7-seed if they win tonight..SeattleRams@seattlerams_nflThe Rams put 400 yard of offense on the 1 defense in yards allowed, and 34 offensive points against the 6th best defense in points per game. That’ll do.Rams Tapes@RamsTapesI love kyren man, st louis finest.. grew up a rams/steven Jackson fan… guy plays like he’s an actual rams fan (which he is) you can just tell every rep is 150%.J.B. Long@JB_LongA bit more context: The Rams have held 4 straight opponents to fewer than 21 points for the first time since 2019, when they did it 5x in a row from Weeks 6-11 (SF, ATL, CIN, PIT, and CHI)..The Rams first defensive points of the season come on a safety in the closing seconds of a W13 win over the Browns. Aaron Donald and Kobie Turner leave the field arm-in-arm. LA has won 3 in a row to get back to .500. FINAL: 36-19.Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueKobie Turner sets up fourth-and-34 with a sack on Joe Flacco, and who else but he and Aaron Donald split for the sack and the safety. One point apiece?.Rams Tapes@RamsTapes#rams are now in a playoff spot, in a great position now.. still a lot of work to do but progress is progress and today 100% looked like progress/improvement. Matt Stafford | 279 | 3 TD’s Kyren Williams | 112 all purpose yards Puka Nacua | 139 all purpose yards.RAMS REPORT@RamsNFLReportSean McVay and the Rams closed this game out beautifully. Rams were up 1 with just under 9:00 to go. Rams ended the game winning by 17. Whose house?!.JAKE ELLENBOGEN@JKBOGEN#Rams last three games they have outscored teams 90-49 Averaging 30 ppg since the bye and only allowing 16.3. Don’t let them get HOT.Rams Brothers@RamsBrothersIt’s so nice to have a legitimate RB1. 21 carries, 88 yards and 1 TD on the ground and 3 receptions for 24 yards.When they needed it most, McVay’s play-calling down the stretch has been perfect. Puka and Kupp in perfect symphony..Cornell@gqscholarDespite the limited cap due to past bad contracts, retooling moves like trading the likes of JR and cutting Wags and Floyd. McSnead is pulling this off with a great draft and some good low-budget signings. Mcvay never lost the team despite the adversity. They play hard for Mcvay..JAKE ELLENBOGEN@JKBOGENPuka Nacua becomes the first #Rams rookie ever to break 1,000 yards in a season. Unreal from the 5th rounderDecember 3, 2023 at 8:13 pm #147198znModeratorAlbert Breer@AlbertBreerAnd the Rams are about to pull even with the Seahawks at 6-6 in the NFC West. Those two and the Vikings are tied for the final two Wild Card spots in the conference.December 3, 2023 at 8:55 pm #147200znModeratorBlaine Grisak @bgrisakTSTA win was expected, but impressive for the Rams to take control after the Browns brought it back to 20-19 early in the fourth quarter. Shows the overall growth of this team and mental toughness. Complementary football once again on display..Field Yates@FieldYatesRams WR Puka Nacua is just the 3rd rookie in NFL history that was not taken in the Top 100 picks to record at least 1,000 receiving yards. He’s on pace for over 1,400 yards this season..Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueThe Rams are now 6-6, with (currently) a 55% shot at the postseason according to our NYT playoff predictor. Like I said at the beginning of the year after watching this group learn during every brutal day of training camp, if they’re going to stink, they sure don’t know it..To see a team that looked the way it did heading into OTAs – on paper and in real life! – playing “meaningful December football”, feeling like this even at 6-6, is something. I don’t think anybody outside of the building projected that..Blaine Grisak@bgrisakTSTNacua’s 70-yard touchdown reception beats Kyren Williams’ 56-yard run last week as the longest play of the season for the Rams. Great awareness from Stafford to check to that play.J.B. Long@JB_LongBrowns defense coming into today: 142 pass YPG allowed – Fewest in NFL (and historically low average) 10 TD passes allowed – Fewest in NFL (tied)@RamsNFL QB Matthew Stafford today: 279 pass yards, 3 TD, 0 sacks, 0 turnovers.Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue“My guys were ballin’ today.” Matthew Stafford on the OL. They threw a lot – Browns looks pre-snap encouraged it, especially with that pass rush and the way the Rams had been running the ball last week. But in Q4 Stafford notes OL also able to help put the game away running.December 3, 2023 at 8:55 pm #147201znModerator
the win today was arguably the most impressive of the last two seasons w/ stafford under center given the quality of cleveland's defense, altho the 2023 opener @ seattle was impressive too.
2022-2023: rams opponents and results (with staff at qb): pic.twitter.com/Q0w3GisrQb
— roberto clemente (@rclemente2121) December 4, 2023
December 3, 2023 at 9:02 pm #147202znModeratorJ.B. Long@JB_LongCooper Kupp’s 4Q receiving touchdown today ties Henry Ellard (48) for fourth in@RamsNFL history.Isaac Bruce – 84
Torry Holt – 74
Elroy Hirsch – 53
Kupp and Ellard – 48December 3, 2023 at 9:09 pm #147203znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueThe DBs were asking John Johnson what their record is now. “6-6? No. 0-0, starting now.”December 3, 2023 at 10:49 pm #147209znModeratorSS@RoyalAndMadSol
I’ll give credit where it’s due:Rams o-line had their best looking game against a legit defense today.
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Rams Brothers@RamsBrothers0 sacks allowed in back-to-back weeks.Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueMy goodness. Puka Nacua scores.That was as pretty a design, throw under pressure and catch as you’ll see..𝕋𝕠𝕞@TL_LARamsI would love to have kept Matt Gay. But he’s got a $6m cap hit the next 3 years. The Rams total starting secondary has a combined cap hit of about $6m this season..Rams Brothers@RamsBrothers
Kyren Williams since returning from injury:37 carries, 231 rushing yards, 1 TD
9 receptions, 85 yards, 2 TD’s
Nacua has 77 receptions for 1,029 yards and 4 TD’s this season as a rookie. In a few games, he’ll be in the same company as a few modern day greats: Ja’Marr Chase, Justin Jefferson, Randy Moss, Anquan Boldin, OBJ, Michael Thomas & Garrett Wilson (all exceeded 1,110 yards)
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JAKE ELLENBOGEN@JKBOGENGotta say Cardinals playing this tough in Pittsburgh (they win 24-10) kinda reinforces my idea that last week’s blowout win was more about how well the #Rams played rather than how bad the Cardinals areDecember 3, 2023 at 10:55 pm #147210znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Sean McVay and Puka Nacua both said he hurt his shoulder and his ribs (press box announced as ribs). McVay: “I thought he was dead, then he came back to life” (joking postgame but very worried in the moment) Nacua said he “wasn’t breathing” and his shoulder “didn’t feel like itwas in the right place. But I was good though.”
December 4, 2023 at 12:01 am #147215znModeratorCameron DaSilva@camdasilvaAnother pass interference penalty drawn by Tutu Atwell. I think that’s 3 in the last 3 games 41-yard gain on the penalty.chris long@JOEL9ONEA couple weekends ago Flacco was chilling by the fire watching ball now he’s getting sacked into the goal post on 4th and 34 by Aaron DonaldDecember 4, 2023 at 12:16 am #147218znModeratorElvis
Funny how games rarely are what you think they might be.
Cleveland was not a dominant defense that the Rams had to scratch and claw, play it safe, play in fear, figure out a way to move the ball against.
Cleveland didn’t play very much shell with two deep safeties that has become so common in the league and especially against the Rams. The Rams took that opportunity to attack and had a lot of success with a lot of big plays, a lot more than we’ve seen recently anyway. I tried to pay attention and just about every time Cleveland had only 1 safety deep, the Rams threw the ball, mostly with success.
Not being the game i expected was true on the other side of the ball as well. Cleveland’s offense was not garbage. They moved the ball well pretty consistently. It continues to amaze me how the defense often doesn’t look very good but when you look up at the scoreboard, they’re not giving up a lot of points.
Not sure that will hold up against good offenses but not sure it won’t either.
And if Kupp can become his usual self again, holy cow.
That Puka Nacua guy is pretty good, surprisingly fast on top of everything else he does right…
Cleveland/Garrett not being 100% definitely helped.
Also i think Stafford and Shwartz knowing each other so well helped the Rams more than Cleveland. Stafford really seemed to be in command out there, very confident and proactive in how he wanted to attack. Also seems like his thumb is getting better, maybe only one throw that seemed like it might have gotten away from him…
December 4, 2023 at 12:36 am #147220InvaderRamModeratorPuka Nacua reached the third-fastest maximum speed of all ball-carriers in the NFL (prior to the Packers-Chiefs game) in week 13 (per @NextGenStats). This is the 19th-fastest maximum speed of ANY player throughout the ENTIRE SEASON. 🏃💨 pic.twitter.com/LrH1U7ke7p
— jake (@jakesstatefarm5) December 4, 2023
December 4, 2023 at 12:39 am #147221znModeratorThey cover the Rams at about 17:32 in.
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December 4, 2023 at 12:57 am #147224znModeratorRodrigue: At 6-6 with a playoff shot, Rams’ greater victory is finding their grit
Jourdan Rodrigue
INGLEWOOD, Calif. — A year ago at this time, the Los Angeles Rams were imploding. Their quarterback, Matthew Stafford, was broken. So was their top receiver, Cooper Kupp. Their star defensive tackle Aaron Donald, had just gutted through an ankle injury in a game at Kansas City and then was shut down for the season. The middle class of their roster had disappeared. Their offensive line had crumbled, also in large part to injury but they didn’t have enough talent up there overall, either.
Their coach, Sean McVay, was at rock bottom.
I am thinking about that time a lot this week. How lost McVay seemed after the Week 12, 2022, game in which he gave up play calling and stood, reeling, in the cement bowels of the Chiefs’ stadium unsure where to go next. How steep and dreadful the crash from the mountaintop of the previous season was. How quiet the locker room was. How hurt everybody was, and the mental toll it took on them. How the end of everything, including the McVay era, was coming. It had to be.
And then, it didn’t.
Sunday, the Rams beat the Cleveland Browns 36-19. They have won three games in a row, are 6-6 and have a real shot at the playoffs.
A game like this, against a physical and well-coached defense that has been at the top of league statistics for much of the season, was the product of a million steps before it ever kicked off.
Steps that began when the head coach decided not to quit in his worst moments.
McVay got back to his own fundamentals, during a long offseason where he did the hard work on his own process, his values as a coach, the things he had lost within himself during a five-year, all-out sprint to a championship. He overhauled his coaching staff, and the new assistants got fair warning about what they were getting into. This would be a team that had basically sacrificed the defensive roster, including a couple of beloved and productive veterans, for the sake of three massive “weight-bearing-wall” contracts for Stafford, Donald and Kupp and a blatant need to get younger and faster on that side of the ball. This would be a team going back to the basics, like, seriously — days and days of practicing a drill before actually doing the drill in practice — and it wouldn’t be easy.
Now, a team that was criticized even in its Super Bowl-winning season for being “all glitter” has substance to it. Some teeth. That’s what it takes to win in late November and December. That’s what became of the gut-busting, puke-inducing “grueler” drives, 18 and 20 plays at a time in the 90-degree hills of Thousand Oaks, in late summer, which McVay installed because he needed to get his team in shape and disciplined, and accustomed to grinding out a game. Back in those gnarly, sweat-drenched days, McVay had to stop practice over and over again. Re-teach, line up again. Cuss somebody, if needed. Line up again. McVay spent those sessions with the offense, but also partially in collaboration with hybrid coordinator/head coach Raheem Morris and the dramatically inexperienced defense on some days — a hard-to-pry-away delegation of McVay’s previous obsessiveness with his offense. It meant depending on coaches such as offensive coordinator Mike LaFleur, assistants Jake Peetz, Zac Robinson, K.J. Black, Ryan Wendell, Ron Gould and Nick Caley and his veteran quarterback to make those moments seamless and instructive to the younger players.
“Work works,” McVay would repeat to himself, after angsty news conferences following mistake-riddled training camp practices. It’s a phrase borrowed from Donald, who never met a rack of weights he couldn’t punish and did his own part to show the youngest players what it takes to excel at this level.
Work works.
Work works.
By September, the young players started turning a corner in practice. Through October, it started showing up in games. The Rams were hardly perfect — there were bad play calls on both sides, huge misses on special teams, injuries to Stafford and Kupp and multiple running backs, and a truly dreary afternoon in Green Bay. But most weeks, they were a tough out and a team some opponents would even remark was “playing harder” than their own group. Some rookies — starting left guard Steve Avila, receiver Puka Nacua, outside linebacker Byron Young, defensive lineman Kobie Turner — began to break out. At the start of December, their production is strong enough that it is not just measured against other rookies, but against their older peers, too. There has not been a day of silence in the locker room, or periods of resignation. You can see it, you can feel it: These players are all in for each other. They are all in for the work.
“I think the players and the coaches have done a great job of just being able to stay one day at a time, to not forget the joy in the journey,” McVay said this week, when I asked him about then, and now. “I think there’s a lot to be said too — you can’t establish grit unless you go through real challenging experiences. I can’t speak for other people, but I do know that I was spoiled with a lot of the good things (I experienced early in my career). It forces you to continue to grow and mature as a leader, as the man that (I) want to be for the people that (I) love and care about. How (do) you respond to certain things instead of (being) spoiled or taking for granted a lot of the good things that have come our way? And then (I would) just think, oh, well, if it’s not (success/good things), then you know, it’s not worth it. And that is just so wrong.“I did not like a lot of the things that occurred last year, but man it was so necessary.”
Out of those long practices and tougher in-season moments, calluses began to form. A new toughness showed up in many ways especially Sunday afternoon.
Take Nacua’s effort to get back on the field after a scary ribs and shoulder injury in the second quarter as an example. He crossed the 1,000-yard threshold in the first half, but went down hard on the Cleveland sideline in the second quarter. He was still for several moments, as medical staff and McVay rushed to his side, before gingerly getting up and walking to the locker room. But Nacua returned to the game immediately in the third quarter.
“What an unbelievable catch he makes on the sideline, I thought he was dead,” said McVay, joking postgame but noting his extreme worry in the moment (the situation will bear monitoring in the coming days). “Then he comes back to life. He is a tough … competitor. The way he battles through things. The physicality at which he plays this game. He brings an energy to our team that I think you guys can all feel when you watch.”
Yes, the Rams’ defense played against Cleveland’s fourth starting quarterback of the season Sunday (it also happened to be Joe Flacco, who made his share of plays). Yes, the Rams’ defense has some noticeable holes in it that need patching this offseason, particularly where their pressure is concerned. They’ve also held their last three opponents to 16, 14 and 19 points and given their offense plenty of at-bats along the way. Veteran safety John Johnson III, a former Ram who had a brief stint in Cleveland, intercepted Flacco with 6:51 to play. McVay said the play changed the momentum of the game. The Rams scored a touchdown on their corresponding possession.
“I just knew we needed time,” said starting linebacker Ernest Jones, of the defense’s development over the last several weeks. “Everybody was learning, experiencing this game. A lot of us (needed) that experience. We found it. We got it. We’re goin’, now.”
The Rams are a gap and power-running system now, with some mid- and wide-zone still mixed in. They still have their knockout punches: Misdirection (in the pass and the run game) and classic McVay-era passing concepts all unfolding out of identical pre-snap looks. But they’ve got jabs, now, too, especially when lead rusher Kyren Williams, a self-professed duo-run aficionado, is healthy. They can gas you out with duo, with tight-end motion blocks they aptly call “blast” and “DOOM” before they take their big swings in the passing game. McVay admits he is “still a basket case” (his words), but the coach whose state of being always somehow resembles the offense he runs is a more resilient basket case now.
Sunday against a top Browns pass rush (which featured a limited Myles Garrett), Stafford was not sacked. The Browns loaded up the box, often featuring a single-high safety pre-snap — daring Stafford to throw with a still-recovering sprained UCL in his thumb, betting that their pass rush would get home often enough to tamp down some of the Rams’ dimension. Stafford missed a couple throws, sure, but hit the big ones: a 70-yard plane-bending throw to Nacua that he checked into at the line of scrimmage, a 30-yard conversion to veteran receiver Demarcus Robinson late in the game that set up a touchdown, and after a few weeks of disconnect, finally a touchdown to Kupp.
But when the Rams needed to run, they ran. Williams opened the third quarter with an 18-yard carry. Nacua, in his first play after whatever treatment he got in the locker room on his shoulder and ribs at halftime, threw the block that popped Williams loose.
Williams churned for a first down, and then a touchdown just under the two-minute warning after Cleveland had burned its timeouts. McVay had his foot on the gas, playing for the touchdown while already up a score, instead of three points.
A thought popped into my brain as I watched Williams run at the goal line.
Rams general manager Les Snead, who deserves a portion of the overall credit for the current roster as well as for a draft class that features seven rookies now playing meaningful snaps, said something to me in the spring as the partial rebuild or reset or whatever they want to call it began. I won’t soon forget it.
At that time, it was a classic Snead-ism, a line in a sprawling metaphor about McVay’s journey back to coaching after he wondered whether he should walk away for a bit.
It was also about so much more than that.
“Every now and then,” Snead said, “you just got to run (the ball) and go through the roadblock.”
In the fourth quarter Sunday, to ice out a game in December that meant something — because they wanted to, and because they could, because running right at the work was the only way out of feeling so dang-awful and being so dang-awful — the Rams ran the ball right at the Browns.December 4, 2023 at 12:40 pm #147237wvParticipantWell, that article was as good as sports-journalism gets. I hate to keep repeating myself, but JR is F’ing awesome. Which means, of course, she will get a better offer soon, and will be covering the Cowboys or Yankees at some point. So, savor her now.
Btw:
“….Cuss somebody, if needed. Line up again. McVay spent those sessions with the offense, but also partially in collaboration with hybrid coordinator/head coach Raheem Morris and the dramatically inexperienced defense on some days — a hard-to-pry-away delegation of McVay’s previous obsessiveness with his offense…”
When did Raheem Morris become a ‘hybrid coordinator/head coach’ ? Did i miss the memo or somethin?
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December 4, 2023 at 1:10 pm #147240znModeratorWhen did Raheem Morris become a ‘hybrid coordinator/head coach’ ? Did i miss the memo or somethin?
Morris is officially designated as the Rams assistant head coach. It just means he inherits the head coach position if McVay misses time for any reason. It’s like he’s the VP and McVay is the president. As a rule guys become assistant head coaches if they’ve been head coaches before, which Morris has. This doesn’t subtract anything from Morris being the Rams defensive coordinator.
December 4, 2023 at 1:15 pm #147241wvParticipantWhen did Raheem Morris become a ‘hybrid coordinator/head coach’ ? Did i miss the memo or somethin?
Morris is officially designated as the Rams assistant head coach. It just means he inherits the head coach position if McVay misses time for any reason. It’s like he’s the VP and McVay is the president. As a rule guys become assistant head coaches if they’ve been head coaches before, which Morris has. This doesn’t subtract anything from Morris being the Rams defensive coordinator.
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OK, well, i thought it was like being the designated figurehead. Like Nittany is on this board. Ya know. Like assistant-hybrid-vice-admin.
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December 4, 2023 at 1:21 pm #147242znModeratorWhen did Raheem Morris become a ‘hybrid coordinator/head coach’ ? Did i miss the memo or somethin?
Morris is officially designated as the Rams assistant head coach. It just means he inherits the head coach position if McVay misses time for any reason. It’s like he’s the VP and McVay is the president. As a rule guys become assistant head coaches if they’ve been head coaches before, which Morris has. This doesn’t subtract anything from Morris being the Rams defensive coordinator.
— OK, well, i thought it was like being the designated figurehead. Like Nittany is on this board. Ya know. Like assistant-hybrid-vice-admin. w v
No Nittany’s powers and responsibilities are different. Morris, for example, does not have power over life and death.
December 4, 2023 at 9:00 pm #147268InvaderRamModeratori just wanna talk about bobby brown iii a little bit. i think he’s been solid this year. according to pff, he’s been one of the highest graded performers for the rams on defense. he’s only 23. and he’s got the kind of size and potential rarely seen at any position. and oh yeah. he’s only 23 years old. loved it when he made that tackle for loss and henderson was all over him. looked so happy for him. hopefully, he can continue to build on his game. and oh yeah. he’s only 23 years old.
December 5, 2023 at 4:08 pm #147288nittany ramModeratorWhen did Raheem Morris become a ‘hybrid coordinator/head coach’ ? Did i miss the memo or somethin?
Morris is officially designated as the Rams assistant head coach. It just means he inherits the head coach position if McVay misses time for any reason. It’s like he’s the VP and McVay is the president. As a rule guys become assistant head coaches if they’ve been head coaches before, which Morris has. This doesn’t subtract anything from Morris being the Rams defensive coordinator.
— OK, well, i thought it was like being the designated figurehead. Like Nittany is on this board. Ya know. Like assistant-hybrid-vice-admin. w v
No Nittany’s powers and responsibilities are different. Morris, for example, does not have power over life and death.
Yes, or to put it differently, Morris is the Robin to McVay’s Batman, as I am the Sauron to zn’s Morgoth (Melkor).
And wv is the Stimpy to Zooey’s Ren…
December 5, 2023 at 5:32 pm #147290ZooeyModeratorAnd wv is the Stimpy to Zooey’s Ren…
I bet that’s really funny.
But I never saw a single second of that show, and the only thing I know about it is that the animation makes my eyes bleed. Kinda like the reflection in my mirror.
December 6, 2023 at 7:52 pm #147299wvParticipantAnd wv is the Stimpy to Zooey’s Ren…
I bet that’s really funny. But I never saw a single second of that show, and the only thing I know about it is that the animation makes my eyes bleed. Kinda like the reflection in my mirror.
Never seen it, either. …but its no, Johnny Quest, apparently.
December 6, 2023 at 10:01 pm #147321nittany ramModerator.
Never seen it, either. …but it’s no, Johnny Quest, apparently.
You’re Bandit to my Race.
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