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    zn
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    zn
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    #130206
    Billy_T
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    I’ve long wondered why humans accept their conditions regarding labor, and resist even discussions about better alternatives.

    For instance, if I raise the idea of matching wages and prices for goods and services, in a planned way, democratically, people online and in person react with incredulity, if not outright anger. Nostrums and platitudes abound, about “hard work” and “earning what you get,” even though the vast majority of humans get NO WHERE after working their asses off. There is simply no proof that “hard work” does what those old chestnuts say it does, except for the few. And by a few, I mean MOST humans are voted off the island, and just one or a coupla more end up with that good job, good pay, etc. etc.

    Capitalism simply has never produced enough “good jobs” to supply more than roughly 10% of “hard workers” with decent rewards — at best. It’s set up to make sure the vast majority of jobs out there will always pay shht wages. Work your butt off all you want, that’s not going to change, and people are deluded if they think it will.

    And, there’s this: Centrists, moderates and conservatives act as if we live in this endless stream of steady old world values, and if we just go back to them, all will be well again. Um, no. Capitalism changes things dynamically, destructively, chaotically over time, so those old world values will always be moving further and further away from us in the rear view mirror.

    Back in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s, the average CEO paid himself roughly 20 times the rank and file. Today she pays herself 400 times, and in Fortune 100 companies, more than a 1000 times more. Bankers once made middle class wages, and now make millions. Hedge fund managers making billions today didn’t even exist. Doctors made a fraction of what they make today, etc. etc.

    The nostrums stay the same, but inequality and the madness of our wage/price system accelerates hourly.

    We need to finally end the madness and lock down a sane ratio between wages and prices, democratically, rationally, that makes it certain that all humans who work X hours can afford necessities and enough “nice things” to make life good. No one left behind. Today, MOST people are, and much of that starts with the total absence of any rational link between them.

    Why shouldn’t they be linked? I’ve never heard a logical reason for their arbitrary, irrational, ad hoc disconnect.

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    #130208
    Billy_T
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    Oh, and beyond all of that? Our tech innovations were supposed to bring us all massive amounts new free time. Even Keynes thought we were on the verge of 15 to 20 hour weeks, with a thriving economy happening at the same time.

    Instead, all of those time-saving innovations have just been folded back into profits for capitalists, and workers actually work more hours than ever before.

    Martin Hagglund’s brilliant book, This Life, talks about this in detail.

    We’re never less free than when we’re working for others to make them rich, and so few of us get to do a job we love.

    We need to stop thinking that “hard work” in and of itself is virtuous, or something we need to pursue for its own sake, both because of what I mentioned above, and because it’s really just a lie that it matters. What we do matters. How, where, why, when, etc. The effects of our work. Who it helps, hurts, affects. Not just that our efforts are intense or longlasting.

    Folks bust their butts to do horrible things too. All. The. Time.

    Link up wages and prices, democratically; utilize time-saving innovations to radically reduce our weekly hours; focus on what we do, and create jobs that people love for their own sake. We all should have a chance at that. But that will never, ever happen under a capitalist system. We must democratize the economy instead.

    #130240
    zn
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    Link up wages and prices, democratically; utilize time-saving innovations to radically reduce our weekly hours; focus on what we do, and create jobs that people love for their own sake. We all should have a chance at that. But that will never, ever happen under a capitalist system. We must democratize the economy instead.

    But then who would own the football teams?

    See Mr. Pie in the Sky, utopia ain’t as easy as you think.

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    #130242
    Billy_T
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    Link up wages and prices, democratically; utilize time-saving innovations to radically reduce our weekly hours; focus on what we do, and create jobs that people love for their own sake. We all should have a chance at that. But that will never, ever happen under a capitalist system. We must democratize the economy instead.

    But then who would own the football teams?

    See Mr. Pie in the Sky, utopia ain’t as easy as you think.

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    I thought that was very clear from the context of my post. It’s also in Hagglund’s This Life, if you read a little between the lines:

    Me. I’d own the football teams! And a glorious day it would be for all and sundry, as long as you’re a Rams fan.

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