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    zn
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    #120707
    zn
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    Takeaways From ‘Rage,’ Bob Woodward’s New Book About Trump
    Mr. Woodward reveals that President Trump sought to play down the severity of the coronavirus and repeatedly denigrated the U.S. military.

    link https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/09/us/politics/woodward-trump-rage-takeaways.html

    “This is deadly stuff,” President Trump said of the coronavirus in a Feb. 7 interview with the journalist Bob Woodward for his upcoming book, “Rage.” But it was a vastly different story than he was telling the public at the time. Mr. Trump would later admit to Mr. Woodward that publicly, he “wanted to always” play down the severity of the virus.

    Mr. Woodward conducted 18 interviews with the president for the book, which goes on sale next week. Mr. Trump also granted Mr. Woodward access to top officials inside the White House, revealing the inner workings of the president and his administration.

    Here are five takeaways.

    Mr. Trump minimized the risks of the coronavirus to the American public early in the year.
    Despite knowing that the virus was “deadly” and highly contagious, he often publicly said the opposite, insisting that the virus would go away quickly.

    “I wanted to always play it down,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Woodward on March 19. “I still like playing it down, because I don’t want to create a panic.”

    And while he was saying publicly that children were “almost immune” to the virus, he told Mr. Woodward in March: “Just today and yesterday, some startling facts came out. It’s not just old, older. Young people too — plenty of young people.”

    In April, as he began to urge the country to reopen, Mr. Trump told Mr. Woodward of the virus, “It’s so easily transmissible, you wouldn’t even believe it.”

    Two of the president’s top officials thought he was “dangerous” and considered speaking out publicly.
    Gen. Jim Mattis, Mr. Trump’s former defense secretary, is quoted describing Mr. Trump as “dangerous” and “unfit” for the presidency in a conversation with Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence at the time. Mr. Coats himself was haunted by the president’s Twitter feed and believed that Mr. Trump’s gentle approach to Russia reflected something more sinister, perhaps that Moscow had “something” on the president.

    “Maybe at some point we’re going to have to stand up and speak out,” Mr. Mattis told Mr. Coats in May 2019, according to the book. “There may be a time when we have to take collective action.”

    Ultimately neither official spoke out.

    Mr. Trump repeatedly denigrated the U.S. military and his top generals.
    Mr. Woodward quoted Mr. Trump denigrating senior American military officials to his trade adviser, Peter Navarro, during a 2017 meeting.

    “They care more about their alliances than they do about trade deals,” the president said.

    And in a discussion with Mr. Woodward, Mr. Trump called the U.S. military “suckers” for paying extensive costs to protect South Korea. Mr. Woodward wrote that he was stunned when the president said of South Korea, “We’re defending you, we’re allowing you to exist.”

    Mr. Woodward also reports that Mr. Trump chewed out Mr. Coats after a briefing with reporters about the threat that Russia presented to the nation’s elections systems. Mr. Coats had gone further than he and the president had discussed beforehand.

    When asked about the pain “Black people feel in this country,” Mr. Trump was unable to express empathy.
    Mr. Woodward pointed out that both he and Mr. Trump were “white, privileged” and asked if Mr. Trump was working to “understand the anger and the pain, particularly, Black people feel in this country.”

    Mr. Trump replied, “No,” and added: “You really drank the Kool-Aid, didn’t you? Just listen to you. Wow. No, I don’t feel that at all.”

    Mr. Woodward writes that he tried to coax the president into speaking about his understanding of race. But Mr. Trump would only say over and over that the economy had been positive for Black people before the coronavirus led to an economic crisis.

    Mr. Woodward gained insight into Mr. Trump’s relationships with the leaders of North Korea and Russia.
    Mr. Trump provided Mr. Woodward with the details of letters between himself and the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un, in which the two men fawn over each other. Mr. Kim wrote in one letter that their relationship was like a “fantasy film.”

    In describing his chemistry with Mr. Kim, Mr. Trump said: “You meet a woman. In one second, you know whether or not it’s going to happen.”

    Mr. Trump also complained about the various investigations into ties between his campaign and Russia, saying that they were affecting his abilities as president and his relationship with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.

    “Putin said to me in a meeting, he said, it’s a shame, because I know it’s very hard for you to make a deal with us. I said, you’re right,” Mr. Trump said.

    #120724
    wv
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    “…Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence at the time. Mr. Coats himself was haunted by the president’s Twitter feed and believed that Mr. Trump’s gentle approach to Russia reflected something more sinister….”
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    This to me — and i know others here disagree — but this to me, is part of the mega-problem. This CIA-murderer is upset at Trump, NOT because trump has interfered in left-leaning nations, or that Trump has bombed Syria or that Trump has embraced dictators in Saudi Arabia, or that Trump is destroying the biosphere with his insane enviro-policies — no. The spook is upset because Trump is not hostile enough towards Russia. Like Hillary would have been.

    This is exactly why people like me, and bill moyers and glenn greenwald and chris hedges and cornell west are not averse to the ‘deep state’ term.

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    #120729
    zn
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    #120731
    Billy_T
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    “…Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence at the time. Mr. Coats himself was haunted by the president’s Twitter feed and believed that Mr. Trump’s gentle approach to Russia reflected something more sinister….”
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    This to me — and i know others here disagree — but this to me, is part of the mega-problem. This CIA-murderer is upset at Trump, NOT because trump has interfered in left-leaning nations, or that Trump has bombed Syria or that Trump has embraced dictators in Saudi Arabia, or that Trump is destroying the biosphere with his insane enviro-policies — no. The spook is upset because Trump is not hostile enough towards Russia. Like Hillary would have been.

    This is exactly why people like me, and bill moyers and glenn greenwald and chris hedges and cornell west are not averse to the ‘deep state’ term.

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    Not trying to defend Coats here. He’s a very conservative Republican, and we share zero ground on the issues. But he doesn’t come from the Intelligence “community.” He wasn’t CIA. He was a senator from Indiana, then an Ambassador to Germany under Bush, then a senator again, then Trump appointed him to be his DNI. As far as I know, he had no previous experience in the “spook” world.

    Which means, if I understand this correctly, his job was to collect the intel data from all the various departments and then advise the president. Might be more to it than that. But I think that’s the gist of it. Again, he was Trump’s appointee.

    #120732
    Billy_T
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    Anyway, all of that pales in comparison, in my opinion, to Trump’s deadly, daily lies regarding the pandemic. He literally has the blood of nearly 200,000 Americans on his hands. We already knew Trump was putting his reelection and the Stock Market above human lives. But now we also know, from the recordings, that he knew it was deadly serious. He can’t pretend anymore that he was just fighting “elite libtards” on the science, owning them, etc. He knew. He knew had bad this shit was gonna be back in January, at least, and he said so to Woodward.

    This also tracks with other stuff we knew before these bombshells. That Trump and others in his administration blocked a plan to fight the pandemic, because they decided this was just a “Blue State” problem, and they could blame Blue State governors, etc. As long as it wouldn’t impact Trump’s base, directly, they could scapegoat their way to victory in November — or so they believed. And the revelation that Trump knew how deadly this is also casts more (obscenely ugly) light on his decision to hold a half dozen indoor rallies in the last few months.

    He doesn’t care how many Americans die, as long as he maintains power. And we know he doesn’t care about how many furriners die. Kids in cages. Migrants in cages, period, despite Covid-19. Fomenting a coup in Venezuela. Leaving the Kurds defenseless to be slaughtered by the Turks, cuz he and Erdogan had a phone conversation, etc. Bragging to Woodward about this amazing new Nuke “he” had developed, etc. etc . . . which tracks with his earlier public statements that he would use the Bomb, even on Europe, if necessary.

    Not to mention his anti-Climate policies.

    Worst. President. Evah.

    #120758
    TSRF
    Participant

    Agree wholeheartedly with your last statement, Billy. Let’s just hope it is “worst one term president evah”.

    #120759
    nittany ram
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    #120760
    zn
    Moderator

    Plus the entire “panic” thing is itself dubious. There is such a thing as disaster studies. Historians and social science people study events like the great SF earthquake in the past, or tsunami events in the present and so on. What people in disaster studies say is that there is more harm done by authorities doing things to “prevent or control panic” than there is harm done by actual or real panic. In fact disaster studies people say that the entire “people panic” routine is all fiction. Under the conditions of actual disaster, you are far more likely to get community solidarity than “panic.”

    “Panic” is a thing in movies.

    So what kind of “panic” did Trump-brain anticipate? Rioting in the streets? Cities burned down? Mobs congesting the freeways?

    Naw the “panic” would be people hunkering down and…gulp…spending less money on a daily basis because they go out less.

    Which of course would not be panic, it would be a rational response.

    But less lucrative.

    #120761
    joemad
    Participant

    This was IQ45’s chance to earn a re-election. You can’t blame him for the virus…. All he had to do was acknowledge the threat and tell the population what we needed to do to fight it, based on the advice of people like Fauci, science etc. and based on what other countries have done. (Germany, Italy, Korea, Singapore, HK, Malaysia etc…. But that’s not his M.O… his M.O. for every challenge in his life is to lie and delay and largely, thanks to his scumbag lawyers, it has worked. So he lied and delayed again and it has crippled an entire country. His opportunity to be a leader has instead revealed that he’s a coward and incompetent . He really needs to be fire…..

    In addition, he most likely had access to information from Wuhan sooner, but didn’t do his job to be aware….. I mean supply chain WW is heavily dependent on goods from China, most industries knew in January that the virus was starting to cripple China’s output and that the local government was squelching information and this jackass did nothing but tweet bullshit from his toilet.

    #120783
    wv
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    #120788
    Zooey
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    Plus the entire “panic” thing is itself dubious. There is such a thing as disaster studies. Historians and social science people study events like the great SF earthquake in the past, or tsunami events in the present and so on. What people in disaster studies say is that there is more harm done by authorities doing things to “prevent or control panic” than there is harm done by actual or real panic. In fact disaster studies people say that the entire “people panic” routine is all fiction. Under the conditions of actual disaster, you are far more likely to get community solidarity than “panic.”

    “Panic” is a thing in movies.

    So what kind of “panic” did Trump-brain anticipate? Rioting in the streets? Cities burned down? Mobs congesting the freeways?

    Naw the “panic” would be people hunkering down and…gulp…spending less money on a daily basis because they go out less.

    Which of course would not be panic, it would be a rational response.

    But less lucrative.

    Right. The only “panic” he could have been worried about was panic on Wall Street. Not panic on Main Street. He could not possibly care less about that.

    And…what’s ironic is that Bush DID have advance notice. Remember the memo about planes? That’s a bit different, of course, because you wouldn’t “say” anything about that kind of event, anyway, but…he ignored it.

    #120796
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Panic. Trump ran on panic in 2016, and he’s doing it again. He tried to paint the US under Obama as hell on earth (for white people), and took a page out of Hitler’s playbook by blaming it all on furriners, “the left,” migrants, “hordes in caravans” coming to steal your jobs, etc. etc. He stoked the flames burning inside the lizard brains of white Americans susceptible to the Big Lie, and we saw, tragically, that they number in the millions. Of course, without the direct aid of Comey, the GOP’s highly successful voter suppression efforts, and Putin, Clinton would have won, despite Trump’s Hitlerian tactics.

    A Clinton win would have meant that the US, basically, kept its status quo, which was rotten. But Trump has kept the foundation of that same status quo — the imperialism, the wars, the carceral state, the environmental destruction, the mass inequality, etc. etc. . . . and made them a thousand fold worse. He slashed taxes for the uber-rich, deregulated their businesses more than any president since Reagan, even more than some corporations actually wanted, privatized millions of protected acres, and radically increased defense spending. He put countless corporate lobbyists and billionaires in charge. Hell, the Secretary of Defense used to lobby on behalf of Raytheon!

    Panic. And we aint seen nothing yet. That’s Trump’s only move now. Scare white America shitless.

    Obviously, he hid knowledge of the pandemic from Americans to save his own skin. He’s directly responsible for nearly 200,000 deaths.

    #120799
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Here’s a new scoop — except for those here who already knew about it.

    ;>)

    This, of course, was bound to happen, and was “the plan” all along, when Trump forced a reroute of info from the CDC to his own Homeland Security Dept. Far less chance for those pesky scientists to mess up his endless lies/propaganda about Covid-19.

    Trump officials interfered with CDC reports on Covid-19 The politically appointed HHS spokesperson and his team demanded and received the right to review CDC’s scientific reports to health professionals.

    Excerpt:

    The health department’s politically appointed communications aides have demanded the right to review and seek changes to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s weekly scientific reports charting the progress of the coronavirus pandemic, in what officials characterized as an attempt to intimidate the reports’ authors and water down their communications to health professionals.

    In some cases, emails from communications aides to CDC Director Robert Redfield and other senior officials openly complained that the agency’s reports would undermine President Donald Trump’s optimistic messages about the outbreak, according to emails reviewed by POLITICO and three people familiar with the situation.

    CDC officials have fought back against the most sweeping changes, but have increasingly agreed to allow the political officials to review the reports and, in a few cases, compromised on the wording, according to three people familiar with the exchanges. The communications aides’ efforts to change the language in the CDC’s reports have been constant across the summer and continued as recently as Friday afternoon.

    The CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports are authored by career scientists and serve as the main vehicle for the agency to inform doctors, researchers and the general public about how Covid-19 is spreading and who is at risk. Such reports have historically been published with little fanfare and no political interference, said several longtime health department officials, and have been viewed as a cornerstone of the nation’s public health work for decades.

    But since Michael Caputo, a former Trump campaign official with no medical or scientific background, was installed in April as the Health and Human Services department’s new spokesperson, there have been substantial efforts to align the reports with Trump’s statements, including the president’s claims that fears about the outbreak are overstated, or stop the reports altogether.

    Caputo and his team have attempted to add caveats to the CDC’s findings, including an effort to retroactively change agency reports that they said wrongly inflated the risks of Covid-19 and should have made clear that Americans sickened by the virus may have been infected because of their own behavior, according to the individuals familiar with the situation and emails reviewed by POLITICO.

    Caputo’s team also has tried to halt the release of some CDC reports, including delaying a report that addressed how doctors were prescribing hydroxychloroquine, the malaria drug favored by Trump as a coronavirus treatment despite scant evidence. The report, which was held for about a month after Caputo’s team raised questions about its authors’ political leanings, was finally published last week. It said that “the potential benefits of these drugs do not outweigh their risks.”

    In one clash, an aide to Caputo berated CDC scientists for attempting to use the reports to “hurt the President” in an Aug. 8 email sent to CDC Director Robert Redfield and other officials that was widely circulated inside the department and obtained by POLITICO.

    #120800
    wv
    Participant

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    Right. The only “panic” he could have been worried about was panic on Wall Street. Not panic on Main Street. He could not possibly care less about that.

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    As i recall the Tokyo-Studies of the 1950’s clearly demonstrated that many humans do indeed panic when confronted by confusing situations. Women often fall down.

    #120801
    Billy_T
    Participant

    This must have been the sequel:

    Btw, what was Perry Mason doing in Tokyo?

    #120802
    wv
    Participant

    The big issue on Fox is not what Trump said, but who is responsible for letting trump do it.
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    #120803
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Yeah, Carlson knows what’s truly important about this. Who let Trump talk with Woodward 18 times by phone (for the book)!! It’s all their fault!!

    Trump is also trying to blame Woodward for not sharing what he knew, earlier, about Trump’s deadly mendacity.

    We’re light years beyond the twilight zone.

    And, cuz the right-wing/GOP mediaverse has far, far more message discipline than the centrist/Dem mediaverse, it may just work. Endless repetition, the projection of confidence and certainty, a unified voice — these things work. Doesn’t matter that it’s all lies.

    #120845
    wv
    Participant

    Trump on white-privilege

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