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November 16, 2014 at 5:28 pm #11981
znModeratorNote: from now on, I am only going to post game review articles that I think say something we haven’t heard yet in the other articles. No more indiscrimate piling up of anyone who writes about the Rams in these post-game threads.
ON THE OTHER HAND, that leaves it up to my judgement…so, if you want to post an article in this thread I didn’t or haven’t yet, feel free.
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Rapid Reaction: St. Louis Rams
By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/13711/rapid-reaction-st-louis-rams-22
ST. LOUIS — A few thoughts on the St. Louis Rams’ 22-7 victory over the Denver Broncos at the Edward Jones Dome.
What it means: The Rams can play with and beat anybody in the NFL. Seriously. With Sunday’s win, they now own victories against three of the four 2013 conference finalists: the Broncos, the Seattle Seahawks and the San Francisco 49ers. After nearly half a season of waiting and wondering when coordinator Gregg Williams’ defense would ascend to an elite level that would allow the Rams to compete with anyone, his group has taken off in the past three weeks. Beating Peyton Manning and the league’s top offense is the ultimate sign that this defense is capable of keeping the Rams in and potentially winning any game left on the schedule. It didn’t hurt that quarterback Shaun Hill played mistake-free football, the special teams were strong, and the Rams offered Denver no help in its comeback attempt. At 4-6, the Rams have an uphill climb to get into the postseason, but at worst, they are the team none of the league’s contenders want to play down the stretch.
Stock watch: Up — Running back Tre Mason: It’s been tough sledding in the past couple of weeks for the Rams rookie, but he found a little momentum against the league’s stoutest run defense entering Sunday. Mason rushed for 113 yards on 29 carries, the most yards by a runner against the Broncos this season. While Mason hit some big runs, including a 27-yarder in the third quarter, he also did plenty of dirty work between the tackles. He’s the future for the Rams at running back, and the future is now.
Conversion turnaround: After his team went 1-of-10 on third down last week against Arizona, Rams coach Jeff Fisher pointed to the lack of conversions as a primary reason for his offense being stuck in the mud. The Rams apparently found some solutions as Hill found himself using his feet, creating space and finding receivers to keep the chains moving. They finished 6-of-17 on third down, which not only was crucial in keeping their offense on the field but also keeping Manning & Co. off it. note: a third down conversion percentage of 35.3% all season so far would rank 29th in the league. On the other hand, they held Denver to 33%, and that’s below its normal 44.9%, which was 5th in the league
Game ball: Rams defensive coordinator Gregg Williams — It took longer than most had hoped, perhaps too long for the Rams to make a genuine playoff run, but Williams’ group is playing with the confidence and swagger of a top-five unit in the league. The defense shut down the run (10 carries for 28 yards), pressured Manning (two sacks, four quarterback hits), piled up 12 pass breakups and, most important, allowed just seven points. Were it not for a first-half coverage breakdown, Williams’ crew would have pitched a shutout.
November 16, 2014 at 6:07 pm #11983znModeratorRams shock Manning, Broncos 22-7
BY JIM THOMAS
The Rams defense has arrived — better late than never. Quarterback Shaun Hill finally got a chance to show what he could do. Again, better late than never.
And with help from linebacker Alex Ogletree, running back Tre Mason, and wide receiver Kenny Britt, the Rams pulled off their second huge upset in the past three games, defeating Denver 22-7 Sunday at the Edward Jones Dome.
Hill completed 20 of 29 passes for 220 yards and a touchdown. Mason gained 113 yards on 29 yards against a Denver defense that entered the game leading the league in rushing defense, allowing only 67 yards a game. Britt had 100 yards receiving before halftime, scoring the Rams’ only TD of the day.
And let’s not forget Greg Zuerlein, who kicked five field goals — including two of 50 yards-plus.
The Broncos, in first place in the AFC West, fell to 7-3. The Rams, last in the NFC West, improved to 4-6.
Things couldn’t have started better for Hill, returning to the starting lineup for the first time since the season opener Sept. 7 against Minnesota.
On the third play from scrimmage, Hill hit Britt deep for a 33-yard gain to the Denver 40. Britt beat Aqib Talib on the play, and had enough separation that it might have been a touchdown had Hill not thrown the ball a little behind Britt. The Rams made it all the way to the Denver 14, when a Von Miller sack on third-and-4 forced a Zuerlein field goal.
The Rams made it 10-0 late in the first quarter when Hill once again connected with Britt on a deep post for a 63-yard touchdown. Britt got behind Bradley Roby on the play for his third TD of the season.
So it was 10-0 Rams with 1:18 to play in the first quarter. The several thousand Broncos fans in attendance, all wearing Denver orange, were in a little bit of a shock. The score grew to 13-0 on another Zuerlein field goal with 4:48 left in the half.
The Rams missed another chance to put seven on the board, advancing as far as the Denver 10-yard line. But on third-and-3, Hill’s pass was deflected . . . back into his arms. But Hill only made it back to the line of scrimmage after his “reception” so out trotted Zeuerlein to make it 13-0 Rams with his 29-yard field goal.
But what would a Rams game be without a busted coverage. With just 2:22 left in the half, Peyton Manning hit a wide-open Emmanuel Sanders for a 42-yard TD. Afterwards, Jenkins and a couple of his teammates in the secondary were gesturing back and forth in the familiar: “I thought you had him. No, I thought you had him” pose.
So it was 13-7 and you had to wonder if settling for field goals instead of scoring TDs would come back to haunt the Rams in the second half.
Save for that busted coverage, the Rams did as well as could be expected trying to defend Manning. They changed fronts, mixed coverages, and pressured him on several occasions. Something not seen that often by the Rams this season, a blitz by James Laurinaitis, forced a few rushed throws by Manning.
Rams linebackers and defensive backs jumped shorter routes quickly, breaking up several throws.
Most of the third quarter was a field position game with the Rams and Broncos exchanging punts. But the Rams got a break on one of those Denver punts when Broncos tackler Lamin Barrow used a horse-collar tackle to bring down Tavon Austin. As a result they took over on their 48.
Mason’s second-longest run of the season — 27 yards — put the Rams in field goal range. Once again, they advanced to the red zone, this time reaching the 4. But once again, St. Louis settled for a Zuerlein field goal. It did, however, make it a two-score game at 16-7 Rams.
On the next series for Manning and Co., Rams linebacker Alex Ogletree undercut a pass intended for tight end Jacob Tamme over the middle for his second interception in as many weeks. The Rams got only one first down out of that possession but it was enough for Zuerlein, who kicked his fourth field goal of the game and his second-longest of the season from 55 yards.
So the Rams were up 19-7, meaning Denver needed two TDs to catch the Rams early in the fourth quarter. Zuerlein wasn’t done kicking. After a leaping interception by Trumaine Johnson after Manning threw into double coverage, the Rams took over at the Denver 41 with just 5:23 left to play.
The Rams gained only six yards on the possession, but again it was enough for Zuerlein, who kicked a 53-yarder for a 22-7 lead with 4:44 to play. Now it would take two TDs and a two-point conversion by Manning just to tie.
But it didn’t happen. Manning’s fourth-and-1 pass with 2:27 to play from the St. Louis 41 was batted down by Ogletree. And the Rams had posted another upset.
November 16, 2014 at 8:36 pm #12002znModeratorWith defense rolling, Rams can beat anyone
By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/13744/with-defense-rolling-rams-can-beat-anyone
ST. LOUIS — Bundling up before heading into a snowy evening, St. Louis Rams linebacker James Laurinaitis paused when a reporter mentioned to him that his team could have pitched a shutout against the Denver Broncos on Sunday.
“Should have pitched a shutout,” Laurinaitis quickly corrected.
Indeed the Rams’ defense, perhaps playing as well as any group in the league over the past three weeks, could have held Peyton Manning and the high-octane Broncos scoreless in the Rams’ stunning 22-7 victory at the Edward Jones Dome. As it was, they held Denver to its lowest point total since Manning arrived in 2012. It was also the first time since Week 13 of 2001 that Manning had attempted 20 or more passes and his team scored seven or fewer points.
For coordinator Gregg Williams’ defense, there have been signs of reaching Max Q the past two weeks but shutting down Manning & Co. served as the ultimate notice to the rest of the league that the Rams are not a team, especially not a defense, you want to see on the schedule over the season’s final six games.
“The scheme is built so that, if everyone is on the same page, you can play really fast,” Laurinaitis said. “I think the last few weeks we have been able to just come in and play extremely fast and trust each other and know we don’t have to be perfect but let’s be aggressive. The light bulb is kind of switching on but we have got to keep that thing on, I don’t want it to run out.”
If the Rams can find a way to duplicate Sunday’s combination of scheme and execution, the light bulb should be able to burn brightly for the rest of the season.
Although the Broncos had 397 total yards, the Rams held them to 28 yards on 10 carries. Over the past two weeks, they’ve allowed just 56 rushing yards on 32 carries, which is the best two-game stretch against the run in franchise history. In making that group so one-dimensional, the Rams were able to throw a variety of tricks at Manning.
Instead of the usual two or three checks that Laurinaitis can make out of certain offensive looks, the Rams had six or seven. On defensive tackle Aaron Donald’s fourth-down sack in the fourth quarter, Laurinaitis got called out as the MIC linebacker by Broncos rookie center Will Montgomery. Laurinaitis had shown blitz but offered a subtle change at the line of scrimmage, switching the side where he lined up in an effort to create enough confusion to throw the Broncos off.
At the snap, Montgomery took the bait and end Robert Quinn peeled around the inside to Manning. Quinn was unable to bring Manning down, but Donald cleaned it up for a sack.
And the tweaks weren’t just based out of blitz looks, either. On cornerback Trumaine Johnson’s fourth-quarter interception, the Rams showed a normal Cover 3 look before the snap, something Manning had probably seen plenty of times in his tape study. But Williams had installed a different coverage from the same look earlier in the week and Manning threw down the right sideline where Johnson made an acrobatic interception.
“As long as all 11 are on the same page, we’ll be all right,” Laurinaitis said. “That’s a great job by the defensive coaching staff knowing it would come to that and the best part about Gregg Williams is he gives me the freedom to call stuff if I don’t want to check and the feeling of the play just isn’t right, we play the call. A couple of times it happened and a couple of times he checked. It was the combination of a great game plan and just executing.”
Of more importance than the yardage, the Rams held Denver to 4-of-12 on third down and 0-for-3 on fourth. They also had two interceptions, two sacks, four quarterback hits and 12 pass breakups. Of those dozen breakups, five came from Quinn and linebacker Alec Ogletree near the line of scrimmage.
Even when Manning completed a pass, a member of the Rams’ secondary was there to greet him with a crushing blow such as Rodney McLeod’s big hit (and subsequent penalty) on Denver receiver Emmanuel Sanders.
“It energizes us but, also, they know,” McDonald said. “The offense knows that you put that ball up, you’re going to feel it. I think that’s something we take pride in, being a physical defense and offenses knowing that it’s not sweet [out there].”
November 16, 2014 at 9:10 pm #12009znModeratorre-formatted to be copyable by MamaRAMa
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RAMS REPORT CARD – WEEK 11: RAMS ARE ALL ABOUT THE A’S
Jeff Gordon grades the Rams performance in their upset of the Denver Broncos.Quarterback: A
Shaun Hill replaced Austin Davis this week and set the offensive tone with two big plays over the top to WR Kenny Britt in the first quarter—one for 33 yards and the other for 63 yards and a TD. From there Hill made the plays he needed to make to maintain possession, including some tight throws to WR Stedman Bailey. Better yet, he avoided the big mistake while completing 20 of 29 passes for 220 yards. This performance should bolster the Rams’ confidence as they plow through a tough schedule.Running Backs: A
Hey, look! A Rams running back rushed for more than 100 yards! Speedy rookie Tre Mason banged out 113 yards on 29 carries, with the last several runs going right into the teeth of the top-ranked Denver run defense as the Rams tried to run out the clock. He broke big plays with his seed and ground out some tough yards as well. Cohort Benny Cunningham did a fine job in the passing game, catching four passes coming out of the backfield for 31 yards.Wide Receivers: A
Before coming up sore, Britt punished the Broncos with four catches for 128 yards. Denver could not cover him Sunday. Bailey stepped up as a possession receiver, catching all three passes that came his way in heavy traffic to keep the chains moving. Tavon Austin’s 9-yard reverse run was the closest he came to breaking a play Sunday, but it scarcely mattered in this game.Tight Ends: A
This unit suffered a rough start, when Hill banged a pass off Jared Cook while throwing a bit behind him. But Cook caught three other passes, including one that earned a key first down. He, Lance Kendricks (two catches for 5 yards) and Cory Harkey did their share of blocking, too, against the elite Denver defensive front. They weren’t big factors in this game, but they did their part.Offensive Line: A
The unit was not mistake-free. For instance, Greg Robinson watched DeMarcus Ware sprint into Hill’s back to force a fumble. Fortunately Hill fell on the ball and that breakdown did not prove costly. But mostly this group excelled, getting a good push against the NFL’s top rushing defense. The Rams earned some nice first-down run chunks, keeping Hill in mostly favorable scenarios.Defensive Line: A
DE Robert Quinn just kept coming, breaking down block after block to keep pressure on Broncos QB Peyton Manning. Quinn swatted down consecutive passes in the fourth quarter, giving him three break-ups in the game. Rookie DT Aaron Donald buried Manning with a fourth-down sack that kept the Rams in control. And Denver ran the ball just 10 times for 28 yards against this front.Linebackers: A+
Remember when OLB Alex Ogletree was making more big mistakes than big plays? That was a few weeks ago. He has played very well lately, as the Broncos saw first-hand. He picked off one pass, broke up another pass downfield, swatted down a pass at the line of scrimmage and got 10 solo tackles. MLB Jams Laurinaitis broke up a key third-down pass, crushed Manning with a blitz sack and earned seven solo tackles.Secondary: A
Rams coach Jeff Fisher noted there were a few massive breakdowns in coverage, one that led to Manning’s 42-yard TD pass to an uncovered Emmanuel Sanders in the second quarter. But the defensive backs made a number of monstrous hits, including S Rodney McLeod’s later eradication of Sanders. CB E.J. Gaines broke up two passes, S T.J. McDonald broke up three passes and CB Trumaine Johnson had two defenses and a huge interception. Allowing Manning just one TD is a cause for celebration.Special Teams: A
PK Greg Zuerlein turned back the clock to his early “Legatron” days, nailing field goals from 37, 29, 22, 55 and 53 yards to keep the Rams in control. P Johnny Hekker put four of his six punts down inside the Denver 20. Rookie Maurice Alexander made his pitch for regular work with two stellar tackles in coverage; one on a kickoff and one on a punt.Coaching: A
The Rams didn’t just upset one of the Super Bowl favorites, they punished them physically from start to finish. They earned a couple of nice victories this season, but this 22-7 triumph established the identity Fisher and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams are trying to create at Rams Park. They made a few mistakes along the way, but stayed aggressive and reasonably disciplined.November 16, 2014 at 11:09 pm #12020
DakParticipantInstead of the usual two or three checks that Laurinaitis can make out of certain offensive looks, the Rams had six or seven. On defensive tackle Aaron Donald’s fourth-down sack in the fourth quarter, Laurinaitis got called out as the MIC linebacker by Broncos rookie center Will Montgomery. Laurinaitis had shown blitz but offered a subtle change at the line of scrimmage, switching the side where he lined up in an effort to create enough confusion to throw the Broncos off.
At the snap, Montgomery took the bait and end Robert Quinn peeled around the inside to Manning. Quinn was unable to bring Manning down, but Donald cleaned it up for a sack.
And the tweaks weren’t just based out of blitz looks, either. On cornerback Trumaine Johnson’s fourth-quarter interception, the Rams showed a normal Cover 3 look before the snap, something Manning had probably seen plenty of times in his tape study. But Williams had installed a different coverage from the same look earlier in the week and Manning threw down the right sideline where Johnson made an acrobatic interception.
“As long as all 11 are on the same page, we’ll be all right,” Laurinaitis said. “That’s a great job by the defensive coaching staff knowing it would come to that and the best part about Gregg Williams is he gives me the freedom to call stuff if I don’t want to check and the feeling of the play just isn’t right, we play the call. A couple of times it happened and a couple of times he checked. It was the combination of a great game plan and just executing.”
That’s all very interesting stuff. This D is finally getting to a place where it can cause havoc through subtle changes, and JL’s play calls are making a difference. This should be fun the rest of the season.
November 17, 2014 at 1:27 am #12025znModeratorRams’ defense hands out punishment
Joe Strauss
They acquired a high-profile coordinator and a young defensive backfield with attitude. They rediscovered Sack City earlier this month. Their linebackers finally have found a comfort zone in a scheme that has no time for a second thought.
Sunday afternoon the Rams worked them all into a bad-ass performance against the baddest offense in the league and came away with a 22-7 statement.
The Rams brought the pain, swung the hammer, delivered a spanking and performed virtually every other description of violence the Denver Broncos and gilded quarterback Peyton Manning could imagine.
It’s only a rumor the Rams keep reporters a safe distance from practice to protect virgin ears. Coordinator Gregg Williams offers little forgiveness during the week while demanding fast, faster and fastest from his guys. If the air turns a little blue, tough. It helps the weekend product. Bruised by Sunday’s St. Louis experience, the Broncos can testify to its effectiveness.
“That offense knows if you throw that ball up you’re going to feel it,” said Rams safety T.J. McDonald.
Last month’s Welcome Wagon has turned mean. The Rams prevented an allegedly unstoppable offense from taking a snap inside their 28-yard line while holding it to a lonesome touchdown. They didn’t just contain the Broncos, they punished them.
“You bring a new coach in and things tend to go slow at first,” said second-year linebacker Alec Ogletree, who spiced Sunday’s win with a monster performance. “As you stay with it, things speed up. We’ve got a lot of great athletes on this team. When you have that, you can play fast.”
In three November games the Rams’ defense has surrendered 37 points. The Broncos entered Sunday scoring 31.8 points per tilt. They left town with their lowest regular-season point total in 42 games since Jan. 1, 2012. Tim Tebow quarterbacked that day against Kansas City.
Through September and October the Rams looked at least a half-step slow on defense. They too often failed to keep up with receivers, too often were out of position and too often got plowed by the run.
“What’s important to us is the way we’re playing now, and we’re playing better,” said coach Jeff Fisher, who thought Sunday as complete a game as he’s witnessed as Rams coach. “I think the younger guys are more familiar with what we’re doing. I think … Gregg understands who he’s working with.”
“The scheme is built so that if everyone is on the same page you can play really fast,” explained middle linebacker James Laurinaitis, who sacked Manning on the final play of the third quarter. “Gregg always says, ‘A slow correct decision is still a wrong decision.’ He doesn’t want you to be thinking, ‘Well, technically I’m supposed to be here.’ If you do that slowly he’s still going to grade you down because he wants you playing fast.
“I think the last few weeks we’ve been able to come in, play extremely fast, trust each other and know that we don’t have to be perfect. Let’s just be aggressive and physical. The light bulb is kind of switched on, but we have to keep that thing on. I don’t want it to (burn) out.”
Opponents gashed the Rams for 4.67 yards per rush and 144.3 rushing yards per game during a 2-4 start. Now more stout than stiff, the Rams have since confined three teams that won double-digit games last season to an average 2.57 yards a carry and less than 86 rushing yards a game.
Before the Rams stunned the 49ers on the road they owned the league’s lowest combination of sacks and interceptions (nine). With Sunday’s two sacks and two picks of Manning, a team that dressed up as an easy defensive mark for Halloween has 13 sacks and three interceptions in its last three games. In other words, the Rams are finally playing to their brash coordinator’s reputation.
“Not taking anything away from their offense, you can credit their defense,” assessed Broncos coach John Fox, his reigning AFC champions now 2-3 on the road this season.
“We’re a physical team,” insisted defensive end Eugene Sims. “Most people don’t think that. But when they see our identity on film they know different.”
The Broncos like to run no-huddle, fast-break offense. Manning is the maestro of the audible, gesturing while stepping up and back from his line. The Rams typically employ two or three defensive checks per game. Sunday they brought seven or eight by Laurinaitis’ count. The Broncos took only 66 offensive snaps — the same number the Cardinals ran the previous week, only four more than the 49ers ran two weeks before.
Manning is the greatest regular-season quarterback in league history, but on Sunday in probably his last performance at the Edward Jones Dome, he looked ordinary and frustrated.
A play-changing surgeon who specializes in the unexpected, Manning found himself narrowed to throwing the ball on his team’s final 29 plays. “I don’t feel like I carried my weight today,” he said.
Once Greg Zuerlein, who had 16 points, kicked the Rams to a two-possession lead, the Broncos defined one-dimensional. The Broncos called their final running play with 7:49 left in the third quarter and the Rams ahead 13-7.
Two weeks ago the 49ers admitted after a 13-10 loss that the Rams’ defensive line manhandled them in an eight-sack effort against the mobile Colin Kaepernick. Arizona’s Carson Palmer didn’t last three quarters before suffering a left ACL tear. Sunday at the orange-tinted Edward Jones Dome ended Manning’s NFL record of 15 consecutive games with multiple touchdown passes.
Ogletree has gone from lost in space to a force in the past month. He intercepted a pass for the second straight week, conspired on 13 tackles and knocked down a fourth-down pass to effectively squash any lingering hope for a Broncos comeback.
A team embarrassingly prone to poor discipline and catastrophic mistakes in most of its six losses implemented a perfect game plan Sunday. Cornerback Trumaine Johnson intercepted Manning and defensed three other passes. Rookie cornerback E.J. Gaines proved more than a nuisance with eight tackles and two passes defensed. Free safety Rodney McLeod leveled Broncos wideout Emanuel Sanders with a second-quarter shoulder hit that left Manning’s deep threat with a concussion and McLeod potentially fined. Of the Broncos’ 34 receptions, three went for more than 20 yards, just one for more than 30.
Effective defense is fast, punishing and painful. Ballet is for the other side of the ball. Tough guys don’t dance. The Rams didn’t two-step Sunday.
November 17, 2014 at 8:08 am #12029DakParticipantStrauss’s piece was a good read.
November 17, 2014 at 8:59 am #12034znModeratorMason runs it up against league’s top run defense
By Jim Thomas
Tre Mason never backs down from a challenge, and the rookie running back was more than up to the challenge against the Denver Broncos.
His first 100-yard rushing game in the NFL, 113 yards on 29 carries, just happened to come against the league’s top-ranked rushing defense.
“That’s how you have to beat this team,” coach Jeff Fisher said after his Rams stunned Denver 22-7 before a season-high crowd of 59,401 at the Edward Jones Dome.
So how did Mason do it?
“Prayers go up, blessings come down,” Mason said.
And yards pile up.
Denver (7-3) had been yielding only 67 yards a game on the ground entering Sunday’s game. But Mason said Denver’s credentials only served to motivate him.
“Oh, of course,” he said. “Every time. That’s been me since high school. When they’re ranked No. 1, that’s when I’ve gotta play good. I love to play big in the big games.”
The Denver defense had allowed only 11 runs of 10 yards or more all season, but Mason had four such runs Sunday: two for 10 yards, one for 15 yards, and a 27-yard gain that was the Rams’ second-longest run of the season.
The first 10-yard gain came on the game’s opening possession, which ended in a Greg Zuerlein field goal. The 27-yard carry in the third quarter got the Rams in position for Zuerlein’s third field goal of the day as they took a 16-7 lead.
Mason made sure to praise his offensive line in the locker room.
“I could say this every week, and this should go for every running back,” Mason said. “Without those guys up front, any stat that we have is impossible. I love those guys.”
The feeling is mutual.
“He has a bright future here,” right guard Davin Joseph said. “He should be here for a very, very long time. Along with Greg Robinson, Rodger Saffold, the entire line. Those guys are out there really blocking hard and making things happen.”
Over the course of the game, the Denver defense stopped Mason plenty of times for minimal gains or no gain. But the Rams stayed committed to the run, with a season high 33 carries good for a league-high 131 yards.
“You chip away 1, 2, 3 yards, and then you get one of those 6-, 7-yard runs,” center Scott Wells said.
Or one of those 10-, 15- or 27-yard runs.
“And it opened up plays in the passing game as well,” Wells said. “So it was a good game plan.”
GREG THE LEG
Since kicking four field goals in a 19-17 victory over Tampa Bay in Game 2, Zuerlein has had a quiet season. But the Rams’ place-kicker made his presence felt against Denver, kicking a career-best five field goals. Those 15 points spelled the difference in a 15-point Rams victory.
Zuerlein got his leg warmed up with three shorter kicks in the opening three quarters, making field goals of 37, 29 and 22 yards. Then came two long-range boots in the fourth quarter, from 55 and 53 yards to give the Rams some breathing room.
“It’s just nice getting into a rhythm early on, and then feeling confident throughout the game,” Zuerlein said.
RAM-BLINGS
With Denver in so many three-receiver sets and safety Mark Barron being used in some packages, strong side linebacker Jo-Lonn Dunbar did not see action Sunday. Dunbar has been bothered by a toe injury.• After seeing some action on special teams last week in Arizona, running back Zac Stacy did not play. He has not had a carry since Oct. 26 in Kansas City.
November 17, 2014 at 3:54 pm #12064znModeratorTen Takeaways from Sunday’s 22-7 Win Over Broncos
Randy Karraker
http://www.101sports.com/2014/11/17/ten-takeaways-sundays-22-7-win-denver/
Denver was favored by 10 points coming into the Edward Jones Dome to face the Rams on Sunday, and pretty much every fan I talked to figured the Broncos would cover that spread by a wide margin. But you never know in the NFL, where the 4-6 Rams have beaten three of last year’s final four, including both Super Bowl participants, in the last five weeks. Here are my 10 main takeaways from the win over the Broncos.
1. The Broncos had the top rush defense coming into the game, allowing just 67 yards per game.
The Rams became the third team to rush for over 100 yards against Denver. Kansas City had 133, and Seattle had 129. The Rams ran for 131, with Tre Mason running for 113, becoming the first back to run for more than 100 against the Broncos this year. In its other games, Denver allowed Indianapolis 54 yards, Arizona 37, the Jets 31, San Francisco 62, San Diego 61, New England 66 and Oakland 30. That was the most impressive aspect of the day for the Rams – they got their running game going against the top rushing defense in the league.
2. Shaun Hill did a great job of leading Kenny Britt on the 63-yard touchdown pass. The Rams needed a big play, and he delivered. Additionally, Hill didn’t turn the ball over. After the calamitous fourth quarter by Austin Davis against Arizona, the Rams needed the quarterback position to settle down, and Hill provided it.
A workmanlike 20-of-29 for 220 yards, a touchdown and no picks is what the Rams needed.
3. With the Broncos facing a fourth-and-5 with 1:22 left in the first quarter, Peyton Manning waved the punt team back to the sideline to go for it.
Manning tried to hit Emmanuel Sanders, but E.J. Gaines broke the pass up. In the fourth quarter, the Broncos gave up the ball on an Alec Ogletree interception, on downs, on a Trumaine Johnson interception and again on downs. That’s five big plays by the Rams’ defense against Manning, including four in the fourth quarter, which is phenomenal. After spending half the season with their linebackers getting only a fumble recovery, in the last two weeks they’ve had 34 tackles, a sack, two interceptions and a forced fumble.
4. This was the fifth time in 10 games the Rams have scored zero or one touchdown. It’s remarkable that they’ve achieved a 4-6 record with that stat. Against Minnesota the Rams didn’t score a TD, and then at Tampa Bay, Kansas City and San Francisco, and then against Denver, the Rams scored one touchdown – winning against Tampa, the 49ers and the Broncos. The Rams have 3 of their 4 wins scoring one touchdown, but that’s an anomaly.
They can’t win consistently in the NFL with that sort of offensive production.
5. While the Broncos’ run defense had been great coming in, the Rams have steadily improved during the season. This may have been the best performance of all. C.J. Anderson ran nine times for 29 yards, and was smothered by the Rams. It got to the point that Manning didn’t even bother with the running game, allowing the St. Louis pass rush to tee off and force the throws that resulted in interceptions.
6. Speaking of the Rams’ pass rush, it was amazing that Ryan Clady only got called for one holding penalty. He played the same way that Russell Okung of Seattle does, consistently grabbing Quinn around the collarbone and neck and dragging him down. How that isn’t a hold is beyond me, but the league does a great job of protecting Manning and Russell Wilson.
7. The Rams were only penalized three times.
There was the bad call of unnecessary roughness against Rodney McCleod. It was a perfectly timed football hit, but those have been legislated out of the NFL. The other penalties were a silly delay of game by Janoris Jenkins for moving the ball from its spot, and offside on a kickoff. The discipline before and after the snap by the offense and defense was superb.
8. There were three Rams who dressed but didn’t play. Backup quarterback Davis was one. Running back Zac Stacy and linebacker Jo-Lonn Dunbar, who weren’t on the injury report, were the others.
It says a lot about the staff’s feelings about Dunbar’s pass defense abilities that he didn’t play. But Stacy will still see action.
As great as Mason was, he can’t carry the ball 29 times every week.
9. After missing key field goals against Seattle and Kansas City, and falling to 29th in the league in field-goal accuracy, Greg Zuerlein has hit his last seven attempts, including 55- and 53-yarders against Denver, to get to 20th in accuracy. Zuerlein is not a concern now, as he was earlier in the season.
10. I mentioned during the pregame show with Anthony Stalter that if the Rams could steal a win against either Denver or San Diego, they’d have a shot at a .500 record. First off, they didn’t have to steal this win. They didn’t have to fake punt or onside kick. On that day, the Rams were better than Denver. At 4-6 right now, the Rams wouldn’t surprise anyone if they beat the Raiders, Redskins, Cardinals and Giants to get to 8-8. The trips to San Diego and Seattle are iffy at best.
Bonus: In the last two games that Manning has faced a defense coordinated by Gregg Williams (Sunday and Super Bowl XLIV), he’s gone 65-of-99 for 722 yards, but only two touchdowns and three interceptions. Manning has lost both games, with his teams totaling 24 points.
November 17, 2014 at 4:00 pm #12065znModeratorPeter King: MMQB
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/11/17/nfl-week-11-jonas-gray-patriots/
Defensive Players of the Week
Alec Ogletree, linebacker, St. Louis. Roll this around in your head: The St. Louis Rams, who had allowed more than 30 points in six of nine games prior to Sunday, held Peyton Manning and the explosive Broncos to seven at the Edward Jones Dome. In the 22-7 victory, Ogletree was the leader of the pack: 13 tackles, an interception and two passes defensed. Chosen with the Rams’ second first-round pick in 2013, Ogletree is rapidly becoming the kind of pass-rusher and pass-defender every quarterback has to fear. This was his second straight game with a pick.
November 17, 2014 at 4:40 pm #12068
WinnbradParticipant6. Speaking of the Rams’ pass rush, it was amazing that Ryan Clady only got called for one holding penalty. He played the same way that Russell Okung of Seattle does, consistently grabbing Quinn around the collarbone and neck and dragging him down. How that isn’t a hold is beyond me, but the league does a great job of protecting Manning and Russell Wilson.
That has bugged me all year, the holding of Quinn. I just went back and watched the game this morning. Clady could have gotten double digit holding calls. He literally dragged Quinn to the ground a couple of times. He also clotheslined him, and on one play wrapped his hand and forearm around the front of Quinn’s helmet. No call.
Go back and watch it. It’s right there on tape.
The league sees all of that on their weekly review of the officials. I can watch a replay of the game and see it over and over. My first conclusion is to assume that the league doesn’t care. They’re gonna protect QBs as much as they can, and holding calls be damned.
The first holding call against Clady came early in the game. I think on Denver’s first drive. That was the “warning shot” to Clady. After that, though, the officials allowed Clady to hold for the rest of the game.
November 17, 2014 at 7:52 pm #12082znModeratorRam Bytes: Rams defense pulls off rare feat
Bernie Miklasz
A few observations and opinions the day after the Rams’ stunning 22-7 victory over Peyton Manning and the highfalutin Denver Broncos…
* Here’s why I believe the Rams’ win was the best by the franchise since Jeff Fisher took over as coach in 2012: because we saw something that had never happened before … and that’s always special.
The Rams pulled off something yesterday that no team has done since Manning entered the league in 1998 … they held his offense to fewer than 10 points in a game played indoors, inside a dome.
Understand that holding Manning to 7 points or less under any circumstances is pretty rare; until Sunday it had happened only five times in his 249 regular-season starts.
But Manning’s offense has never scored fewer than 10 inside.
As the Indianapolis QB from 1998 through 2010 (he missed 2011 with a neck injury) Manning played his home games in a domed stadium. And including some road-dome games played in other venues, his offenses had averaged 27.3 points per game. And with Denver, Manning’s Broncos had scored 72 points in two enclosed games, averaging 36 points.
So to hold Manning to 7 points under a roof in a climate-controlled setting with no wind, rain, sleet, snow or cold … well, it’s never happened. Not until Rams defensive coordinator Gregg Williams released the hounds on Manning to sack him twice and pressure him 15 times overall.
* Williams’ plan was brilliant. He concocted all sorts of ways to repeatedly bring the pressure up the middle, and that’s the best way to get after the immobile Manning. With guys in his face, he can’t see downfield, can’t get away, and can’t release full-stride throws. It keeps him off balance in every conceivable way.
* It’s fun to watch the players get acclimated to Williams’ system and play the kind of defense we envisioned when Fisher hired Williams as DC.
* Manning and the Broncos had 11 meaningful possessions Sunday. I didn’t count the two possessions at the end of each half; time had just about expired and the Broncos weren’t trying to score. But on the 11 possessions when they had the ball and were looking to score, the Rams stopped them on 10 of the 11 … in Manning’s long and distinguished history you haven’t seen that very often.
* That was one of the surprises for me yesterday: that the Rams, led by QB Shaun Hill, scored on six of their 10 meaningful possessions. And that Manning went 1 for 11 in putting points on the board.
* Another surprise: that the Broncos got fewer QB pressures (only seven) on Hill than the Rams got on Manning. Denver’s offensive line has struggled in the running game, but the Broncos usually keep Manning clean. That wasn’t the case yesterday. The Rams have struggled in their pass protection this season but did an effective job against Denver’s tough front four. Right tackle Joe Barksdale, who had been slumping, had a good bounce-back game against the Broncs.
* Or course, a lot of the credit for that goes to Hill, who was calm in the pocket, and very aware of what was happening around him. He got the ball out quickly, and that’s a sure way to counter the pass-rush pressure. That’s the difference between the veteran Hill and the young Austin Davis. Young QBs tend to hold onto the ball. They’re inexperienced and don’t go through their progessions as quickly. Hill’s internal clock was sharp; he knew when to unload the ball to prevent a negative play. And this was one of the main reasons for Fisher’s decision to make the change and go with Hill.
* Kudos to Rams’ offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer who had a smart and effective game plan. First, the Rams didn’t shy away from the run. They made the Broncos account for the run, and that gave Hill a chance to take some shots downfield. The Rams weren’t intimidated by Denver’s top-ranked rushing defense. They calmly fed the ball to rookie RB Tre Mason, who carried 29 times for 113 yards.
* Obviously the Rams were in position to keep running it; that’s the beauty of taking the lead and keeping it. You can avoid panicking and becoming one-dimensional by throwing it all day in an attempt to play catch-up. But Schottenheimer had the right idea going in, and that’s one of the reasons why the Rams won this one. By running it and mixing in a lot of quick-release short passes, they hogged the ball and built up a big edge in possession time. Which was a significant factor in the Broncos turning into a one-dimensional offense that ran the ball only 10 times.
* Rams second-year safety T.J. McDonald continued to excel; he made plays all over the field Sunday. In his last three games McDonald has received “plus” grades from Pro Football Focus for his play, and we’re seeing why the Rams coveted McDonald and used a third-round pick to draft him in 2013. McDonald is playing the way his father used to, and Tim McDonald was one helluva safety.
* Linebacker Alec Ogletree has certainly gotten a lot better … and it happened quickly. He’s really been impressive over the last three games. Pro Football Focus gave Ogletree the highest grade on the Rams’ defense yesterday.
* And then there’s Rams rookie defensive tackle Aaron Donald. This quick and ferocious wildcat is an exceptional player. I bought tickets for yesterday’s game and had a great corner-view angle of the game, which provided a chance to watch the conflicts on the line of scrimmage. This was Donald’s 10th NFL game, and the Broncos hit him with everything, including double-team blocks and uncalled holding penalties. Donald still managed to invade Denver’s comfort zone. Through the first 11 NFL Weeks, Donald has graded out as the NFL’s second-best defensive tackle; according to Pro Football Focus only Detroit’s Ndamukong Suh is rated above Donald.
* You just have to love the way rookie CB E.J. Gaines competes. He’s relentless.
November 17, 2014 at 9:38 pm #12088
CalParticipantHill has a day to remember
By Jim Thomas
At about the same time that Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning addressed Denver reporters wearing a fancy suit after a stunning 22-7 loss, Rams counterpart Shaun Hill walked into his news conference wearing a plaid flannel shirt and blue jeans.
Now, that’s what you call low-key.
“This is about as fancy as I get,” Hill shrugged.
Then again, what do you expect from a humble Kansas native and avid fisherman who has his permanent residence in the Lake of the Ozarks?
OK, deduct a couple of points if you must for wardrobe. But other than that, Hill was pretty close to flawless as the Rams (4-6) toppled the defending Super Bowl runners-up Sunday at the Edward Jones Dome.
A thigh injury in the season opener against Minnesota all but derailed Hill’s season. But eight games later, he finally got another chance to play, and he made the most of the opportunity.
Granted, Manning threw for nearly 400 yards Sunday, but it took him 54 passes — two of which were intercepted — to get his 389 yards. Hill threw only 29 times but completed 20 for 220 yards, a touchdown, and a passer rating of 102.7 — to Manning’s 75.3 rating.
In his 13-year career, it was the first time Hill had gone head-to-head with Manning in a starting role. His father, who passed away in January 2011, wasn’t there to see it. But Hill’s 9-month-old son Theodore, who is named after Hill’s father, was in the Dome.
“Coincidentally, this is the first win I’ve had since the last game he was alive — my father,” Hill said. “A lot of emotions went into this one for sure.”
Young Theodore, or Theo as Hill calls him, obviously won’t recall what happened Sunday. But it is, after all, preserved on video.
“This is the first game he’s been to that I’ve started and finished,” Hill said. “That was kind of important, too, for me when I was coming into the season.”
He wanted Theo to have some pictures, some video, of himself playing NFL football after Theo was born. At 34, Hill doesn’t know how much time he has left in the league, and after the injury ended his day after two quarters against Minnesota, it looked like that might be all the 2014 football for Hill.
“It was important for me to come back and be able (to play) some during his life,” Hill said.
But coach Jeff Fisher decided to switch from struggling Austin Davis to Hill last week, so now Theo watched one of the most memorable Rams games since the team moved to St. Louis in 1995 and certainly one of their biggest upsets. OK, Theo won’t remember it unless he’s some kind of baby genius, but he can watch the film in a few years.
“Not only did Shaun find Kenny (Britt) and make big plays to Kenny, but he extended some drives,” Fisher said. “Time of possession is so important, and to find the back and find the check-down (is important). And then the guys — we didn’t have any drops per se.”
The Rams had a time-of-possession advantage of nearly 12 minutes: 35:50 to Denver’s 24:10. They ran 65 plays, their highest total in five games. And although they weren’t great on third-down conversions (six of 17), it was their best conversion rate since the 28-26 upset over Seattle on Oct. 19.
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“Shaun played a hell of a game,” defensive end William Hayes said. “He showed he had guts. He hit a couple of passes where he knew he was gonna take hits, and still delivered the ball.”
Hill’s best delivery came late in the first quarter, when he threw a deep strike to Britt for a 63-yard touchdown. It was the longest completion of the season for the Rams, and Britt’s longest reception since the 2011 season with Tennessee.
It was a post pattern to Britt, a pass that he had dropped during the practice week.
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“I told him, ‘It’s Friday and you drop a pass, that’s OK. But if you do it on Sunday I’m going to kick your tail,’” Hill said. “Obviously, I was just joking.”
Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer said during his weekly Thursday media session that he thought the Rams would have some chances for deep shots in the passing game. And so it was. Britt was the recipient of 33-yard and 21-yard completions, and the 63-yarder — all in the first half.
One reason the Broncos are first in the NFL in rushing defense is that their safeties frequently play close to the line of scrimmage. On the long TD play, the Rams used Tavon Austin as a decoy, and when a Denver safety came charging up to the line of scrimmage to defend Austin on the 63-yard TD play, Broncos cornerback Bradley Roby had no help after Britt got behind him.
Britt’s 128 yards came on just four receptions. It was the first 100-yard receiving game for a Ram this season.
“Hey, it looked like Shaun’s been hitting the weight room in his off time, to tell you the truth,” Britt said, laughing. “It really showed in practice. Every deep ball was on the money.”
Hill has been called a lot of things over his career: Gritty, industrious, smart. Cannon-armed has never been part of the description.
“Compared to most guys in the NFL, it’s nowhere close to strong,” Hill said. “So it’s just kind of funny to hear that.”
Britt’s TD gave the Rams a 10-0 lead with 1 minute, 10 seconds to go in the opening quarter. It was the only touchdown of the day for the Rams, who went zero for three in the red zone. But they got five field goals by Greg Zuerlein — a single-game career high — and that was enough to hold off Manning and the Broncos.
Rookie running back Tre Mason’s first 100-yard day (29 for 113) in the NFL helped the Rams stay balanced and control the clock.
And when things got a little chaotic, Hill’s steady hand helped calm down the huddle.
“He keeps his composure,” Britt said. “When we got caught up in the moment, he came into the huddle and said, ‘Hey guys, Relax. Calm down.’”
And that apparently is what happened. Undoubtedly, both Theodore Hills would approve.
ME: Man, I wish Fisher would have pulled the plug on the Davis experiment sooner. JT seemed to draw attention to Hill’s toughness and composure.
I thot that quote from Hayes was very intriguing–I wonder if there was a lot of moaning and groaning about Davis’s lack of toughness in that locker room.
November 18, 2014 at 11:07 am #12109znModeratorRams Report Card
NFL Media’s Brian Billick hands out his report card grades for the St. Louis Rams after their victory against the Denver Broncos.
http://www.stlouisrams.com/videos/videos/NFL-Rams-Report-Card/518b3b72-ece6-4cfb-a0dc-2ff34d4564a1
November 19, 2014 at 8:04 pm #12173znModeratorRams Shut Down Manning Machine – Stats and Records
From Stats Doctorhttp://www.101sports.com/2014/11/19/day-manning-rams-stats-records/
Peyton Manning played in his 250th regular-season game when the Broncos took on the Rams at the Edward Jones Dome. His remarkable career is now in its 17th season, and one can only wonder just how many more times he will face the Rams on their home turf. After all, the schedule for an NFC team rotates from one AFC division to another each year, meaning it could be four or even eight years before Denver returns to face the Rams. If, by chance, this happened to be his final game here, it could be remembered both for what he accomplished and what the Rams prevented him from accomplishing in the 22-7 victory. Here are some rather remarkable numbers to consider from last Sunday.
To say that an offense is prolific with Manning at the helm is quite the understatement. When the Rams held the surefire future first-round Hall of Famer to one touchdown pass and a total of seven points, this was indeed an historic accomplishment. Coming into the game, Manning had a touchdown pass in 48 consecutive games and had an NFL-record 15 straight multiple passing touchdown games. The former record remains intact; the latter record has been halted. Had the Denver signal-caller thrown a second touchdown pass, he would have become the all-time leader with 160 games with at least two touchdown passes. He can break the record against someone else.
Only five times before last Sunday had a team quarterbacked by Manning scored no more than seven points in a regular-season game. Two of those games occurred in the second and third games of his career in 1998 – 29-6 at New England and 44-6 at the Jets. The last time a Manning team was held to seven points was in the final game of the 2009 season – a 30-7 loss at Buffalo.
The Dolphins were the last team to allow fewer than seven points, and that was 14 years ago in a 41-6 game. Out of those 250 total games, 64 have been played against NFC teams, and the Rams held a Manning-led squad to its lowest point total of those 64 contests.
The Broncos might have been held to only seven points, but this is not to say that Manning did not pass the ball for considerable yardage. The 369 net passing yards for Denver was the fourth-highest total ever allowed by the Rams in a win. The most yards allowed in a victory were 420 by Jacksonville in a 1996 17-14 win. Last year, the Rams gave up 388 net passing yards to the Colts and 371 yards to the Saints in 38-8 and 27-16 victories, respectively. In all four of those contests, the opposing quarterbacks—Mark Brunell, Andrew Luck, Drew Brees and Manning – all threw at least 52 passes.
One might have a hard time recalling this, but the Broncos actually did try to run the ball on occasion against the Rams’ defense. Denver only ran the ball 10 times out of its 66 plays from scrimmage, and nine of those 10 runs came on first down. That means that 35 of the Broncos’ 36 plays on downs two through four were pass plays. Their last running play came virtually at the halfway point of the third quarter as they attempted to go to the air on their last 26 plays and, overall, 31 of their 35 second-half plays.
For the second week in a row, the Rams’ defense was downright stingy when it came to allowing rushing yards. Denver ended up with but 28 yards on those 10 rushes. The Rams have now allowed 51 yards rushing on 26 carries in the last two weeks, or just under two yards per carry. If my research is accurate, this marks the lowest two-game total for rushing by Rams opponents in franchise history. The next closest I could come up with was 75 yards in back-to-back games in 2007 against the Saints (43 yards) and the 49ers (32 yards). Since the Rams started playing 77 years ago, teams have been held to no more than 51 rushing yards in one game only 76 times.
The Rams did not allow Denver to have any red-zone drives, as its deepest play from scrimmage was from the St. Louis 28 on a fourth-down play in the fourth quarter. The result of that play was a 12-yard sack of Manning by Aaron Donald. The Rams have played only two other games in the past 20 years in which they prevented a red-zone drive – a 19-6 win at Arizona four years ago and a 26-21 victory at New Orleans in 2000. For the day, the Broncos ran only 16 of their 66 plays past midfield compared to the Rams’ total of 28 plays in Denver territory.
You will sometimes hear the term “hidden yards” mentioned, and that was something that was actually quite visible against the Broncos. The difference in the average drive start was huge as Denver started on average at its own 18-yard line, with no drive starting past its own 25-yard line. Only two of those 13 drives started past the 20-yard line. The Rams, in contrast, began their drives on average at their own 33-yard line. The difference in the second half was even more pronounced, with the Rams enjoying a 25-yard advantage (Rams at the 42, Denver at the 17). Another way of looking at these numbers is to point out that Manning had to throw for 161 yards – about 40 percent of his total passing yardage – just to make up the difference in starting field position and get to where the Rams were starting their drives.
Here is where the special teams come in to make a real difference. Denver had 13 possessions in the game, with seven starting after kickoffs and six beginning after punts. Johnny Hekker’s six boots resulted in four fair catches inside the 20, one fair catch right at the 20 following a 54-yard kick, and one return for no yardage.
Only once did Hekker have to punt with the line of scrimmage inside the St. Louis 37. When Greg Zuerlein kicked off, five of his seven kicks were touchbacks with the other two returned by Andre Caldwell for no more than 14 yards on a return.
Zuerlein single-handedly outscored the Broncos by connecting on all five field-goal attempts, including two 50-plus-yard efforts as well as one extra point. Generally speaking, you’re not likely to see a team make all those field goals with only one touchdown and expect to beat a Peyton Manning-led team that had already scored 37 touchdowns (24 in the red zone) coming into the Rams game. In the last two games between the two teams in St. Louis, 11 of their 12 scores have been field goals. Eight years ago in the season opener, Jeff Wilkins scored all of the Rams’ points on a team-record six field goals for an 18-10 win. Zuerlein’s 16 points on the day vaulted him from 20th to 15th place in Rams all-time scoring as his 272 career points surpassed Wendell Tyler (258), Dan Towler (264), Jim Benton and Jack Snow (270) all in one game.
The Rams’ offense was effective and allowed no turnovers, making the game the first St. Louis win with a positive turnover margin. Interestingly, all three Denver losses have occurred when it has lost the turnover battle. Furthermore, the Rams led in time of possession in all four quarters. Shaun Hill found Kenny Britt for a season-long 63-yard touchdown pass as part of a team season-best 128 receiving yards. Tre Mason became the first running back to rush for the century mark all season against the Broncos. For five seasons from 2008 until 2012, Steven Jackson had been the only 100-yard rusher for the Rams. Mason joins Benny Cunningham and Zac Stacy as 100-yard rushers since the start of last season.
It is great fun to recap an exciting victory like the Rams enjoyed against the Broncos. However, it’s back on the road and, once again, it’s a trip out west to take on the Chargers in San Diego. A win every other week has become the pattern, but maybe the time has come to string together consecutive wins for the first time this season. This will be a challenge, as the Rams have won only once in San Diego, and that was on their first trip in 1975.
At the then-named San Diego Stadium, Tom Dempsey kicked a 22-yard field goal in the team’s first-ever overtime game to give the Rams a 13-10 victory.
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