eliz warren drops out

I’m little surprised to hear this critique of both Bernie Bros and Bernie himself, but I agree with all of it. I will add that I wish there was greater pushback against the Bernie Bros narrative. I mean…it’s fiction. There is no empirical evidence that Sanders supporters are any worse than anybody else. I have taken some pretty ugly heat from Warren supporters when I have said simple things like “Warren’s support dipped after she back-pedaled on Medicare for All.” I got everything from straight up “FUCK YOU!” to “Oh, please mansplain” and whatever. Stuff, you know. And so it’s not like Sanders supporters have a monopoly on rudeness. And Sanders doesn’t make that point. He doesn’t dispute the charge, or the way the media frames it. Give a listen to this:

Elizabeth Warren backing Joe Biden after battering him in the defining political fight of her early career would be one of the great political heel turns we’ve seen. It would be like me driving a Goldman Sachs car at the Indy 500. https://t.co/GRjQGmk9Qo

— Matt Taibbi (@mtaibbi) March 7, 2020

I don’t see either one of them beating Trump, but Sanders has a better chance.

Biden is not a guy who can take abuse. Remember how he folded up against Kamala? And Trump specializes in that kind of abuse. Mocking people is his forte. Wagging the dog is what Trump does best. Biden will be sorry he’s still alive after facing Trump. I’m ALREADY sorry for him.

What is Biden running FOR? Associate ANYTHING with Biden. Go ahead. I dare you.

His platform is “I’m not Trump” and “I’m friends with Obama.” Name one other thing.

Now, I am sure his team will compose some lovely Glittering Generalities to photoshop onto his image, but those will wilt, and look ridiculous under the studio lights. This guy is Hillary Clinton without the accomplishments, talent, wit, or composure. What on earth makes anybody think he can perform better than Hillary did?

This is the end. Biden will not only reassure 4 more years of Trump, he will probably cost us any chance of taking the Senate, so we are fucked. Ginsburg is going to be replaced by Stephen Miller or Heinrich Himmler. It’s over. Nothing left to do but go watch the planet die from a bamboo bungalow in Thailand.

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wv wrote:

We know whats hurting Bernie. Bernie didnt work for an African-American President.

I didn’t vote for Biden because he worked for Obama. If I was black I would find your comment highly offensive. Not just because it is clearly racist but it also smacks of the very elitism that so many of us find discomforting with the far left. You discount black men and women who might just believe Trump can only be beaten by Biden; that Biden might be able to usher in a democratic controlled Senate; that Biden might be better for the country on issues that we all face. It doesn’t matter whether or not blacks are correct in their views. What matters is that whether you know it or not African Americans actually have VIEWS and OPINIONS. Whites do not have a monopoly on the ability to think. If you want to know what bothers most people about so called “progressives” just re-read the above quote. Its repugnant.

I think you felt slighted as a Biden voter and lashed out at WV, W, but, I also don’t think you have real cause. Plus it’s a board thing, and given that I ask you to slow down on personalized accusations like the ones you’re making.

I freely say some African-Americans political figures like Clyburn (who is a big pharma campaign money recipient) advocate policies that hurt most working african-americans. There are of course many african-americans saying that. Abundantly. So I have no more hesitation saying that myself than I have saying that whites who support Trump vote for policies that hurt most working whites.

In fact I think you are throwing around the word “racist” in an irresponsible way.

. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/bernie-sanders-black-voters/607789/

Jackson, Mississippi is where, in June 1963, the famous civil-right activist Medgar Evers—who led economic boycotts and voter-registration drives in the state—was murdered in his driveway by a white supremacist after an NAACP meeting. The city’s mayor is now Chokwe Antar Lumumba….

When I asked Lumumba about how the primary process could have gone differently for Sanders, he stopped for a moment. Then he considered how Sanders performed in caucuses rather than primaries; perhaps if there were ranked-choice voting, as in the Jackson people’s caucus, Sanders would have won a larger share of black voters. But he kept coming back to a central theme: If only more people knew how radically different their lives could be—perhaps then they would join the revolution.

Is Lumumba saying that (among many many african-american leaders saying that) bad? He is being racist? Does he deserve to be called a progressive ironically, with that word put in slighting, judgmental quotation marks? Obviously not. Are you going to tell him how you would feel about his comment if YOU were African-American? Obviously not.

Let’s keep the board productive and refrain from throwing judgmental anger at one another in personalized ways. Debate candidates, parties, ideas, policies, beliefs, and movements. Don’t make that antagonistically personal.

wv wrote:

But for a guy that thinks he’s a ‘realist’ and pragmatic and all, you dont appear to have actually listened to actual black people much.

I just said this to W…can we reign it in a bit? In terms of the tone we as posters take with one another.