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October 17, 2019 at 12:50 am #106825znModerator
`There are only so many Jalen Ramseys’ — The Rams took a risk and nabbed a franchise cornerback
Vincent Bonsignore
The connect-the-dots game commenced almost from the moment word circulated that Jalen Ramsey wanted out of Jacksonville and was pressuring the Jaguars to trade him.
Three thousand miles away in Los Angeles, the Rams — with an ultra-aggressive general manager, a deep-pocketed owner, lofty aspirations and a lust for star power — vaulted to the top of the list of landing spots for Ramsey. The lockdown cornerback would be a perfect fit in Wade Phillips’ 3-4 defense and had the necessary swagger, personality and talent to fit beautifully in celebrity-driven Southern California.
As LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard and Paul George proved over the last two summers — as have so many others before them — there’s something alluring about the L.A. scene and vibe that makes it almost irresistible to superstar professional athletes.
Sometimes mountains need to be moved to facilitate their wishes, but it gets done. That’s what happened on Tuesday, when the Rams acquired Ramsey from Jacksonville for their 2020 and 2021 first-round picks and a 2021 fourth-round pick. A short time earlier, the Rams completed a deal to send starting cornerback Marcus Peters to Baltimore.
A union between Ramsey and the Rams wasn’t necessarily a fait accompli. So many moving parts, so many salary-cap dynamics and hurdles, and the agreed-upon compensation made it a long shot from the start. But sometimes things can be imagined into reality. A tsunami-like wave hit the Rams, who lost their third straight game on Sunday, then lost starting cornerback Aqib Talib after his ribs injury was deemed serious enough to send him to the injured-reserve list.
The losing streak and injuries to key starters — Talib is gone for at least the next eight weeks, linebacker Clay Matthews is out at least three more games with a broken jaw, guard Joe Noteboom is done for the season with a knee injury and safety John Johnson and running backs Todd Gurley and Malcolm Brown are all hobbled with various ailments — cracked open a window through which the Rams could see beyond this season.
They weren’t looking past this year, mind you, but kept an eye on the horizon. Their grand new stadium in Inglewood is set to open next year, and with Jared Goff, Aaron Donald and other core pieces locked up for the foreseeable future, there is a need to continually build around them. Meanwhile, Talib and Peters are set to become free agents after this season, so it seemed inevitable that the Rams would have to address the cornerback position during the offseason.
Needless to say, the thought of adding a dominant talent like Ramsey was incredibly tantalizing.
As team sources indicated to me Tuesday, gathering great players is now part of the Rams’ DNA. And as they sat and contemplated their future — near and far — one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL was sitting within their reach.
The prevailing thought was: What if we can help ourselves right now but do it in a way that also enhances our future?
With a hand over the now-or-never button, and a chance to reset their season and rekindle their dreams — but also brighten their long-range future — the Rams barely gulped before pushing it. As part of the dizzying array of activity that ensued, the best cover cornerback in the NFL was on his way to Los Angeles. The Rams made it possible by sending Peters to the Ravens for second-year linebacker Kenny Young and a fifth-round pick, and they also acquired promising young offensive lineman Austin Corbett from the Cleveland Browns for a conditional draft pick.
It came at a considerable cost. Unless the Rams jump back into the first round in 2020 or 2021, they will go five consecutive seasons without a first-round pick, the last being No. 1 overall pick Jared Goff in 2016.
Two first-round selections and a fourth-round pick are an incredible haul to part with for any player, let alone a non-quarterback who has one season left on his rookie deal. Ramsey is under contract through 2020, and there are no guarantees he and the Rams will come to an agreement on an extension. The risk in this trade is undeniable and cannot be ignored. Re-signing Ramsey likely will require the Rams paying him a record-breaking contract for a cornerback.
If they do, they will have Goff, Donald, Gurley and Ramsey under contract at (or near) the top of their respective position markets. And with no first-round picks in the next two years to enhance the roster, pressure will be on general manager Les Snead, coach Sean McVay and their staffs to draft and develop productive and cost-conscious players beyond the first round.
Their ability to build around the core with limited money and draft assets will determine whether this was a prudent move or a reckless swing for the fences.
But the Rams are wired in a way that makes them sometimes value the potential of reward above the presence of risk. And in this situation, that mindset was a match.
A player of Ramsey’s caliber rarely hits the open market, and it would require the best of fortune for an equivalent prospect to be available late in the first round, where the Rams hope their picks will end up.
When Ramsey showed up as a trade possibility, it simply was too rare an opportunity to pass up.
“There are only so many Jalen Ramseys” is how someone a part of the decision-making process summed it up.
Ramsey becomes the lock-down corner Phillips has needed since coming to L.A. in 2017. He will play alongside Troy Hill, for now, and then Talib, when he returns from the injured list. Talib’s injury also means youngsters Darious Williams and David Long Jr. will get playing time, so the Rams can assess their viability as long-term assets. Long seems like a particularly good fit because the man-cover skill set he showed at Michigan fits well with Phillips’ scheme.
Corbett, who was drafted 33rd overall in 2018, will get a chance to compete for Noteboom’s vacated left guard spot this year, or he will at least provide depth.
“We’re a better team today than we were yesterday” is how a Rams source put it.
It was said with feet planted firmly in the now. But with an eye on the future
October 17, 2019 at 12:56 am #106827znModeratorThe Rams’ trade for Jalen Ramsey was the opposite of a short-sighted move
Vincent Bonsignore
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — Not long after completing the first of three trades that reset the Rams’ present and future — which culminated with the arrival of Jalen Ramsey, arguably the best cornerback in football — general manager Les Snead took a moment Tuesday to gather himself before reaching for his cell phone.
The call he was about to make was obligatory, one he’s had to make more times than he cares to remember. But no matter how procedural it is, or how many times he’s closed his eyes and delivered life-altering words to a player he’s come to admire and respect, the task never gets easier.
And this call was particularly difficult, to tell Marcus Peters he was being sent to the Baltimore Ravens in a mid-season trade that materialized almost out of thin air. Peters become an organization favorite after arriving from the Kansas City Chiefs in February 2018.
“There’s a moment where you go, ‘OK, I wish I would’ve never taken this job,’ because that’s not a call you want to make,” Snead said.
It was, however, a call he had to make. And not just to personally deliver the news to Peters.
This was about putting the Rams in a better position for the long haul. That element got lost in the shuffle when people wondered if the Rams, by trading Peters and giving up two first-round picks for Ramsey — were making a short-sighted grab for an immediate reward at the expense of the future.
It was anything but that, actually. In fact, when the Rams executed the Peters trade they had no guarantee the Ramsey trade would come to fruition. They were fully prepared to move forward with young cornerbacks Troy Hill, Darious Williams and David Long Jr. filling in for Peters and injured veteran Aqib Talib.
Trading Peters certainly put the Rams in position to be real players for Ramsey. But it also created salary-cap space to address other positions. The Rams acquired linebacker Kenny Young in the Peters deal, and traded with Cleveland on Tuesday to get offensive linemen Austin Corbett, who will compete for the left guard opening created by Joe Noteboom’s season-ending knee injury. Both were tied into the Peters move.
The moves also created $3.5 million in cap room, to be used either this year or rolled over to the offseason, when the Rams expect to be players in the free-agent market. They also added a 2020 fifth-round draft pick.
The cap room, Young and that fifth-round pick were valued higher by the Rams than the 2021 compensation pick they would have received if Peters left via free agency after this season, which seemed likely.
As someone with the Rams pointed out Wednesday, if the Rams were thinking only about the short term, they would have kept Peters and simply traded for Ramsey. But they chose the future assets instead. And now they get a chance to get a long look at Williams and Long, one or both of whom likely will figure prominently in the team’s future. There’s value there, a point solidified by the numerous times opposing general managers asked Snead if he’d be willing to part with either young cornerback in a trade.
By trading Peters instead, the Rams thought about the long term rather than the short term. And as hard it was emotionally for Snead to make that call, it was the right decision for the health of the organization.
“Instead of unloading maybe one of our unproven, younger corners, with interest in Marcus it might be time and best for us to move him so that he can start his next chapter and we can start ours,” is how Snead explained it.
As for Ramsey, Snead and the Rams thought far beyond just this year by sending their 2020 and 2021 first-round picks and a 2021 fourth-round pick to the Jaguars for him.
The Rams haven’t lost sight of this year’s goals, and still believe they can find the necessary remedies and make a run at the playoffs after losing three straight games to fall into third place in the NFC West. But their vision and thinking has expanded beyond the borders of this season. Taken it totality, the additions of Ramsey — the Rams have a high comfort level about signing him to a long-term contract before his current deal expires after the 2020 season — Young, Corbett, an additional draft pick and salary-cap space broaden that border.
And while two first-round picks seem like a steep price, play it out and the cost is far less than it appears. Ramsey essentially becomes the Rams’ 2020 first-round pick, so in reality they gave up one first-round pick and a fourth-rounder to secure him. That is not a prohibitive cost.
Think of it this way: A player of Ramsey’s caliber is rarely available where the Rams hope to be drafting — late in the first round — and trading up into the top five to draft a player of his stature would cost even more than what they paid Tuesday. Another difference is, the Rams already know what they are getting in Ramsey: The best cover corner in the NFL and a perfect fit for Wade Phillips’ 3-4 defense. No one they could have drafted in 2020 or 2021 provides that level of certainty.
“Not saying that there are not a lot of good corners out there, but since he’s been in the league, he’s shown the ability to be able to get on an island,” Snead said. “If you look at some of the receivers he’s played against, whether it was in Pittsburgh a couple of years in the playoff run, whether it was against (Texans receiver) DeAndre Hopkins, things like that, you’ve got a good subset of case studies to go watch and it was actually fun studying him. You come away very impressed with how he approaches the game in pass and in the run, tackling and covering and you’re very impressed with mom, dad and God and what they gave this kid.”
As the Rams head into the next phase of the season and beyond, they already know they will build their defense around Ramsey and lineman Aaron Donald, the best players at their respective positions in the NFL.
There is a risk, as there is no guarantee Ramsey and the Rams will come to agreement on a long-term extension. Ramsey can be under team control through the 2022 season when you factor in the franchise-tag option, which the team could utilize in 2021 and 2022. But it’s doubtful it ever gets to that point, as Ramsey now becomes a priority to re-sign to a long-term contract.
Any concern was mitigated when Snead checked in with Ramsey’s agent to articulate his vision for where he hopes the 24-year-old All-Pro fits in long-range, and to gauge interest in making this a long-term relationship. Snead made it clear that after that conversation, he was comfortable pulling the trigger on the trade.
Anything is possible, but it sure seems like this is headed toward a long, happy union.
And with the Oct. 29 NFL trade deadline still a ways off, you get the sense Snead and the Rams might not be done re-tooling.
For the future and for the present.
“It is some interesting ideas being floated,” he said, smiling. “You always have to assess those.”
October 17, 2019 at 9:23 am #106833InvaderRamModeratori get this feeling that gurley will not be a ram for much longer.
not advocating that they keep him or release him. but i just don’t know how they keep that many players at a premium rate.
what say the salary cap experts?
October 17, 2019 at 9:37 am #106834nittany ramModeratori get this feeling that gurley will not be a ram for much longer.
not advocating that they keep him or release him. but i just don’t know how they keep that many players at a premium rate.
what say the salary cap experts?
I’m no salary cap expert, but the cap goes up every year and there are ways to restructure big contracts to clear cap space, provided the player agrees to it.
But yeah, it doesn’t make sense to hang onto Gurley at his price when he doesn’t get the touches you would expect from a premier back.
October 17, 2019 at 9:43 am #106835Billy_TParticipanti get this feeling that gurley will not be a ram for much longer.
not advocating that they keep him or release him. but i just don’t know how they keep that many players at a premium rate.
what say the salary cap experts?
Gurley turned 25 this past August. There may be a team loaded enough and willing to red-shirt him for a year. NE, for instance. They’ve done it before. They’d have to do something about his salary, of course, which may not be possible. I don’t know the ins and outs of the Cap either. But if it’s possible, a team like New England might trade for him.
I love his game when healthy. He was a joy to watch, with his size/speed combo, and I was thrilled when the Rams drafted him. It was a chance I thought was worth it, and ended up being arguably a top three running back a good three seasons — and very likely the best pass-blocking tailback in the league. One could make the case that he was the best runner, period, in football for at least a season, maybe two, and he definitely made all things possible for McVay’s offense.
But it does look like those days are gone. Would another team look at him like an Adrian Peterson, who can give you his best off the bench?
If I’m the Rams, I at least explore this. I think Henderson has “it,” and can do many of the things Gurley can do, and seems basically healthy now. The main difference between them at the moment appears to be the pass-blocking, and knowledge of the offense. I’m betting the latter two things kept him on the bench until they had no other choice. If Henderson improves in those areas, he can come close to Gurley’s contribution. Won’t be able to pound the line like Gurley. But they have Brown for that.
(I made some comments about Ramsey in my own thread earlier.)
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