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July 3, 2019 at 11:24 pm #102652znModerator
Nothing original here. Just putting some thoughts down in black and white.
* One thing that’s a big deal is Wade’s outspoken commitment to running a wide array of subpackages and also disguising coverages this year–there will be more of that than usual and it will be one of the things defining this D. It’s pretty obvious that’s what adding Weddle and Matthews was all about–they’re not only both smart and experienced, they can each play in a variety of spots. To add to that they of course also brought in Rapp and Long, which is in addition to Talib, Peters, Robey-Coleman, Johnson, and Christian. Johnson already fits this “line em up all over” mentality. Farr saw OTAs and his take is that nickel and dime sub-packages and disguised coverages are key things to this year’s D. In fact, Suh stepping up wasn’t the only thing that improved the D last year in the post-season–it was also multiplying subpackages.
* I think they have a good one in Kiser. I think moving Littleton to Barron’s spot will bring out more of what CL can do–he has that kind of versatility. He can cover, he can blitz, he can line up in a variety of spots…he’s an up and coming Rams star defender, just like Johnson.
* The duh factor–this year’s run D will depend on Kiser and the nose tackle(s) (Joseph-Day or Gaines or both). I suspect it will be better than what they had.
* Naturally, like everyone else, I have no idea what they will be getting from the edge rush. But I think what they’re banking on is amping up the secondary with subpackages and creating opportunities that way, which just means putting the rushers in a more advantageous spot. It would be nice if Fowler came through on top of it, but then doing that puts him in the 17 M a year or more 2nd contract range. Pass rushers, as a rule, do not show much in their first year or 2. So maybe a guy like Obo or Ebukam still has room to come through. To me minimal good production from an edge rusher means 8 sacks at least. I also don;t know if Matthews has 8 sacks in him. Fowler might. Fox could contribute too— I see him more as a pass rushing DE in nickel and dime packages and not as a true base 3/4 DE.
* I said this before in a different thread, but, the Rams new DL coach is a hands-on teacher who drills them to improve on technique. Donald is excited about him. Farr was watching him and was full of praise. So it’s not crazy to expect DL improvement. That could mean, for example, Brockers returning to 2017 form, where he was pretty good at DE when they moved him there (I think Brockers played banged up in 2018).
* This D is loaded with stars (Donald above all but also, Littleton IMO, & Johnson) and top players (Talib, Peters if his head is right), Robey-Coleman is a top slot corner, and they have some intriguing additions (Matthews, Weddle). The additions add more to the smarts of the unit than to the physical side of it, but then I think that (smarts) is the key this year. Young role players are part of it too (Kiser, the NTs). There are also some question marks (Fowler, Ebukam, Brockers). But I think they have enough to take advantage of their stars and to play smart D. If Fowler turns out to be a double-digit sack guy, this defense could be a top unit.
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July 4, 2019 at 6:28 pm #102683znModeratorWildflecken
This will be the best defensive talent Wade has had to work with since taking over as the defensive coordinator with the Rams.
The defensive backfield talent is not only the best since Wade’s arrival, the talent is scheme fit talent for a Wade Phillips philosophy on the back end. His one gap system up front is at peak performance when his defensive backfield can hold coverage a tad longer than most coaches demand. Wade has an option at press this season he did not have in 2018 in David Long to spell Talib if the need arises. I expect the number of coverage sacks to increase in 2019. I expect a huge season from Marcus Peters. Now that Wade has discovered how best to utilize him, it is my belief Peters will exceed his best season ever produced in Kansas City and put up a monster year.
Many seem frustrated Wade does not blitz more often. It is my belief that in 2019 we will see the pressure Wade’s system can create by merely disguising the fourth pass rusher, allowing him to lock down coverage on the back end. When Wade does send an extra pass rusher, I expect more up the gut pressure with linebackers coming from the inside in 2019. I also expect when Wade does blitz it will be quite successful.
With the departure of Barron and the addition of Mathews, Wade’s use of sub packages in 2019 will be key at linebacker. Micah Kiser will get every opportunity to prove he is a dominant run stuffer and I for one believe he is. Kiser is a talent playing this game in the wrong era. Kiser is a prototypical MLB before the passing era took this game by storm.
July 5, 2019 at 2:01 am #102695InvaderRamModeratori think the linebacker group is the big unknown here.
i think kiser will be solid. littleton like you said should be even better playing barron’s role.
the outside linebackers. i don’t know. i think matthews should have something left in the tank. and he’ll be surrounded by better talent. the key is the other side. who steps up? fowler? ebukam? okoronkwo?
July 13, 2019 at 10:57 am #102897znModeratorfrom Ranking defensive triplets; a growing trend in NFL team-building
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In football, the “Big Three” concept can be applied to both sides of the ball. Offensive triplets, which garner the vast majority of ink and interest, consist of a quarterback, running back and pass catcher. Meanwhile, defensive triplets feature a combination of three standouts from multiple levels of the unit, whether it be a pass rusher, linebacker and defensive back, or a couple of pass rushers and a designated playmaker in the back seven. The top teams have a set of triplets on each side of the ball with the capacity to dominate the game.
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4) DT Aaron Donald, LB Dante Fowler Jr. and CB Marcus Peters or S Eric Weddle, Los Angeles Rams: The back-to-back Defensive Player of the Year is arguably the best football player in the league. Donald sets the standard for the Rams’ defense with his endless energy and freakish athleticism. He’s unstoppable at the point of attack and opponents must account for his whereabouts on every single play. Fowler finally showed flashes of being a top-five draftee when he teamed up with Donald after a midseason trade. Fowler took his game up a notch in the playoffs, as evidenced by his 1.5 sacks and persistent pressure off the edges. Peters didn’t bring his A-game in 2018, but still finished with three interceptions to push his career total to 22 picks in just four seasons. Considering the pressure the Rams should be able to generate with Donald and Fowler pushing the pocket, we could see No. 22 swiping passes left and right in 2019. And if Peters doesn’t tickle your fancy, how about the savvy six-time Pro Bowl safety L.A. just scooped up in free agency?
July 13, 2019 at 2:50 pm #102908znModeratorWildflecken
A Wade Phillips defense finishes towards the top of the league when he has the scheme fit defensive backs required to execute his design. When it is operating on all cylinders the defensive backs are creating coverage sacks for the defensive front and the defensive front is creating interceptions for the defensive backfield with pressure, hurries etc,
IMO Joyner was far from a scheme fit safety for Wade’s design and this fact was exposed often in 2018. Lets hope for good luck on the injury front for 2019 because the Rams are loaded with scheme fit talent for Wade at the safety position.
August 1, 2019 at 3:58 pm #103531znModeratormerlin
Fowler didn’t have a full camp under this staff last season, and still had some big moments for us. He’s talented and seems to be fully bought-in too, so there is plenty of reason to think he might be in for his best season and coming into his own finally as a player. If that happens you’re talking a plus edge rush.
Matthews is a guy people have dismissed but if you watch film from even last year he still moves very well and has a strong rush skill set going. Wade’s scheme is a really good fit for him and I expect him to get a lot of edge work, meaning I think he is going to have a big season as a pass rusher and remind everyone he is still a force in this league.
And if those things happen look what that does for our defense. Edge rush was a huge weakness last season. Change that to a plus and add improvement at NT and Safety and I don’t see any way around a massively improved unit.
This is a team that won 13 games with a defense that underperformed for most of the season. What will they do with a top unit? It’s exciting.
August 26, 2019 at 9:17 pm #104346znModeratorHow it looks now (still too early).
Right now this defense looks:
1. DEEP. As deep as I have ever seen a Rams defense. In fact it’s a little freaky to see. For example, Allen, Patrick, Obo, Howard, and even Durham have all shown something. That’s 3 rookies and 2 2nd year guys. When was the last time the Rams had 5 (!) new bright spots at LB showing things early like this. I don’t think I have ever seen it.
2. Smart at the top. Weddle, Talib, Matthews, Donald, all dedicated leaders and versatile and smart. It looks like there;s a lot of teaching going on.
3. Well coached. Wade is cooking up all sorts of mad scientist ways to use subpackages and to take advantage of the all the gold he has among the DBs.
This really promises to be something.
August 31, 2019 at 5:01 pm #104541znModeratorInteresting how the D look as of right now (8/31)
* Note: one trade (Peters) cost them a 2nd rounder; the other 2 trades were for a 3rd rounder and a 5th rounder
DL (6)
Michael Brockers … 1st round
Aaron Donald* … 1st round
Sebastian Joseph-Day … 6th round
Tanzel Smart … 6th round
Greg Gaines … 4th round
Morgan Fox … udfaOLB/EDGE (5)
Samson Ebukam … 4th round
Dante Fowler Jr … trade
Natrez Patrick … udfa
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo … 5th round
Clay Matthews … FAILB (4)
Cory Littleton … udfa
Bryce Hager … 7th round
Travin Howard … 6th round
Troy Reeder … udfaCB (6)
Troy Hill … udfa
Marcus Peters … trade
Nickell Robey-Coleman … FA
Aqib Talib … trade
Darious Williams … udfa
David Long Jr … 3rd roundS (5)
Eric Weddle … FA
John Johnson III … 3rd round
Taylor Rapp … 2nd round
Marqui Christian … udfa
Nick Scott … 7th roundThis promises to be a very good D, and it has nearly twice as many UDFAs (7) as guys picked round 2 or higher or acquired in a trade for a 2nd rounder (4).
Though that’s just counting how the Rams acquired them. If you count trades and FA signings, the Rams have 3 more guys who were originally taken round 2 or higher: Talib, Fowler, Matthews.
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