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    zn
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    DALLAS MAYOR CALLS BULLSH*T ON OPEN CARRY: IT DIDN’T HELP DURING SHOOTING, AND MADE THINGS WORSE

    http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/dallas-mayor-calls-bs-on-open-carry-it-didnt-help-during-shooting-and-made-things-much-worse/

    Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings (D) stood next to Texas Governor Greg Abbott (R) and dropped an extremely uncomfortable reality check: Open Carry, the movement pushed with near-fanatical obsession by Texas Republicans, not only did nothing to help stop the mass shooting of police officers in Dallas, but it actually made the situation far worse. Open Carry had an opportunity to justify its existence – and it failed on every conceivable level.

    For Rawlings, examining the aftermath of the shooting made it clear that having dozens of scared civilians clinging to assault-style weapons during a mass shooting was a recipe for disaster. The “good guys with guns” didn’t suddenly become action heroes bravely stopping a heavily-armed lunatic. They acted like any of us would: When the shooting started, they scattered in every direction in terror of their lives. Only unlike others, these fleeing victims were strapped with weapons that sowed confusion. Any of them could have been a shooter attempting to blend in. At a moment when cops were being targeted by a sniper, officers had to track down these “innocent” gunmen just to make sure they weren’t one of the bad guys.

    As Rawlings explained:

    It’s logical to say that in a shooting situation, open carry can be detrimental to the safety of individuals.

    Here’s how bad the situation became in Dallas during the shooting:

    Rawlings said Dallas police Chief David Brown told him that people running through the shooting scene with rifles and body armor required officers to track them down and bring them to the police department. Whether that was time that could have been spent trying to find and stop the shooter is something police will have to comment on, Rawlings said.

    In other words, the exact reason gun rights activists often give to justify “guns everywhere” bills is false. They don’t keep people safe, they put people’s lives at risk by causing chaos.

    A major in the Dallas police department was equally furious about the danger Open Carriers put the rest of the population in. Maj. Max Geron pointed out that the police scanner was filled with chatter of confused officers desperately trying to figure out who was a bad guy and who was an Open Carry supporter while calls of “officer down” continued to ring out.

    There was also the challenge of sorting out witnesses from potential suspects. Texas is an open carry state, and there were a number of armed demonstrators taking part. There was confusion on the radio about the description of the suspects and whether or not one or more was in custody.

    After Texas Republicans rammed Guns Everywhere policies into law against the wishes of many in law enforcement and over the objection of many officials at the local level, it could be said that this situation was bound to happen. Research has repeatedly shown that more guns in more places don’t keep people safe, but often times do increase the chances of innocent people getting shot. Texas went gun crazy and this was the result.

    Like clockwork, the conservatives who up until yesterday were all about “Blue Lives Matter” turned on police because of these comments. According to the president of Open Carry Texas
    C.J. Grisham, officers should be fired for complaining about his right to carry an AR-15 in public.

    If you can’t identify a threat, you shouldn’t be wearing a uniform. It’s not that difficult to tell the difference between a bad actor and a good actor.

    Spoken like a true coward. To which the entire country, still mourning the deaths of five officers who were killed in Dallas, can for once join together and in one voice tell C.J. Grisham: “Go to hell.”

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    #48399
    wv
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    Interesting.

    Will police in large numbers actively oppose open-carry etc?
    If they don’t then, nuthin changes. If they do?…might get interestin.

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    #48596
    zn
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    ‘Jackass remarks’: Minneapolis mayor slams police union official over WNBA protest

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/07/12/jackass-remarks-minneapolis-mayor-slams-police-official-over-wnba-protest/

    A day after a Minnesota police union chief voiced strong support for four off-duty officers who quit rather than provide security for a WNBA team that demonstrated its feelings about three high-profile incidents that resulted in deaths last week, the mayor of Minneapolis slammed his comments as “jackass remarks.” Mayor Betsy Hodges did not mince any words Tuesday in distancing herself from what Lt. Bob Kroll had said.

    [Off-duty cops quit security for WNBA game after players wear Black Lives Matter shirts]

    On Monday, Kroll, the president of the Minneapolis Police Federation, praised the officers for walking off the job after Minnesota Lynx players wore shirts bearing the message, “Change Starts With Us — Justice and Accountability,” plus the names of two black men killed by cops in separate incidents last week, one in Minnesota, the logo of the Dallas Police Department and the phrase, “Black Lives Matter.” The players also offered remarks before a home game Saturday condemning both “racial profiling” and “violence against the men and women who serve on our police force.”

    Kroll commended the officers for quitting and suggested their colleagues might also refuse to work Lynx games in the future. He also took a swipe at the attendance of the team, which won last year’s WNBA title and has been the champion in three of the past five seasons, saying, “They only have four officers working the event because the Lynx have such a pathetic draw.”

    That had Hodges taking to social media to blast Kroll’s comments. In a note posted to on her Twitter and Facebook accounts, the mayor said, “Bob Kroll’s remarks about the Lynx are jackass remarks. Let me be clear: Labor leadership inherently does not speak on behalf of management. Bob Kroll sure as hell doesn’t speak for me about the Lynx or about anything else.”

    The Minneapolis police chief, Janee Harteau, also issued a statement Tuesday, saying, “Although these officers were working on behalf of the Lynx, when wearing a Minneapolis Police uniform I expect all officers to adhere to our core values and to honor their oath of office. Walking off the job and defaulting on their contractual obligation to provide a service to the Lynx does not conform to the expectations held by the public for the uniform these officers wear.”

    “While I do not condone the actions of the officers, I realize how every member of law enforcement throughout this country, including myself, is feeling right now,” Harteau added. “Everyone is hurting and we all need to find a way to come together. … I believe every cop wants what every American wants: a safe place to live. We are all in this together, and in the days and weeks ahead, I’m hopeful that common goal will guide the work that leads us to a better place.”

    [Browns’ Isaiah Crowell apologizes for posting image of cop getting throat cut]

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    Kroll, in his comments Monday, chided the Lynx players for furthering some “false narratives” about incidents of police officers killing black people. “Rushing to judgment before the facts are in is unwarranted and reckless,” he said.

    “While our players message mourned the loss of life due to last week’s shootings, we respect the right of those individual officers to express their own beliefs in their own way,” the Lynx said in a statement released Tuesday. “At no time was the safety of our game in question as Target Center staffs extra personnel for each and every game. The Lynx and the entire WNBA have been saddened by the recent shootings in Dallas, Baton Rouge, and St. Paul. We continue to urge a constructive discussion about the issues raised by these tragedies.”

    Other WNBA teams that publicly reacted to the killings last week included the New York Liberty, whose players wore shirts with “#BlackLivesMatter” and “#Dallas5″ on the fronts before a game Sunday, and the Los Angeles Sparks, which showed the phrase, “All Lives Matter,” on arena video screens during a game Sunday. In 2014, several NBA stars, including LeBron James, wore pre-game shirts with the phrase, “I can’t breathe,” to protest the killing of a black man by New York police.

    Lynx players did not wear the shirts before a game in San Antonio Tuesday, and a spokesperson for the team said that the players had no plans to wear them in the future.

    #48604
    zn
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    Bill de Blasio: Black Lives Matter changed discussion ‘for the better’

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/politics/bill-de-blasio-chirlane-mccray-black-lives-matter/

    Washington (CNN)New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said Monday that the Black Lives Matter movement has changed the discussion on race in the United States “for the better.”

    “I think that movement, just the very phrase ‘Black Lives Matter’ has changed the national discussion,” he told CNN’s Poppy Harlow on “New Day.” “Now, as with any movement, there are some people that I don’t agree with. But I have to tell you, they’ve changed the national discussion for the better.”

    He appeared alongside his wife, Chirlane McCray, who said Black Lives Matter has encouraged a healthy discussion on race relations.
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    “Black Lives Matter is a force for good. It’s about peaceful protest. It’s about shining a light on the problems we have in race relations across this country. We’ve had a history of it,” she said. “And it has not gone away, but we haven’t had enough positive action taken on making change and I am very encouraged by the Black Lives Matter movement. I think this is such a force for good.”
    De Blasio said he believes the way to fix problems with police across the country are through retraining, helping law enforcement realize there’s “implicit bias” and work to get the bias “out of our systems.”
    “I think all of us in ‘white America’ have to understand better that young men of color live in fear all of the time,” he said, adding, “White America’ doesn’t understand the extent of the problem … I actually think ‘white America’ will participate in that change.”

    #48631
    zn
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    Dallas mayor: Our police officers died for Black Lives Matter movement

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dallas-police-shooting-mayor-mike-rawlings-responds-to-rudy-giuliani-black-lives-matter-remarks/

    Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings on Tuesday dismissed former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s comments about Black Lives Matter, saying that the five fallen officers from the Dallas police ambush died fighting for the movement.

    Appearing on CBS’ “Face the Nation” Sunday, Giuliani said Black Lives Matter was “inherently racist.”

    “Our police officers died for Black Lives Matter movement,” Rawlings told “CBS This Morning” on Tuesday. “We were protecting those individuals. That is not a racist organization. They’re trying to do better, but I ask everybody to start at the level playing ground that there are police are there to serve them and to serve everyone.”

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    Rawlings also said President Obama had reached out to him and he disagreed with some law enforcement officials who said that the president had not been supportive enough.

    “He’s told me that the words that come out of leaders are important and we’ve got to always believe we can do better,” Rawlings said. “But it’s got to start with our self-esteem as a police force and understand 99 percent of what they do is what we want and that we’re proud of them. Sometimes, people hear what they want to hear in those conversations.”

    Rawlings also described Dallas Police Chief David Brown — who likened police officers to superheroes at a vigil for the five fallen Dallas officers Monday — as one of the “heroes we need,” after he called for black protesters to become “part of the solution, serve your communities” by joining the police force.

    “Look, we can dissent without demonizing and I think we’ve demonized our police for too long and we have to stop that. We will always get better but we have to salute them because as we’ve seen, they do die for us,” Rawlings said.

    The mayor also said that he hoped if there was anything that came out of the officers’ deaths, it will be drawing Dallas closer to a vision of a “strong and safety city.”

    #48992
    zn
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    Police in Cleveland, Dallas, and Milwaukee push back against ‘open-carry’ gun laws

    http://www.businessinsider.com/police-push-back-against-open-carry-gun-laws-2016-7

    ASHINGTON (Reuters) – Tents, ladders, coolers, canned goods, tennis balls and bicycle locks are banned in the area surrounding the Republican National Convention in Cleveland.

    But guns are fine.

    When Ohio Governor John Kasich on Sunday rejected the Cleveland police union’s request to ban the open carrying of firearms near the Quicken Loans Arena, he weighed into a national debate pitting city authorities who contend with gun violence against state lawmakers who answer to gun-loving voters.

    Law enforcement leaders in several major cities say municipalities should have to the power to suspend open-carry laws when needed to protect public safety. Currently, 15 of the 45 states that allow openly carried handguns give cities power to restrict those laws, according to a Reuters review of state statutes.

    In Cleveland, police union head Steve Loomis said he made the request to protect officers following recent fatal shooting of three police officers in Louisiana on Sunday and the killing of five officers in Dallas on July 7. Kasich said he did not have the power to circumvent the state’s open-carry law.

    A decade ago, all Ohio municipalities had the power to regulate how guns could be carried. Now, only the state legislature can do it.

    In 2006, the state legislature passed a law denying cities the ability to restrict openly carried weapons, overriding the veto of then-Governor Bob Taft. Cleveland sued the state to try to win back that power, but lost in 2010.

    Across the country, similar battles are playing out in states where municipal authorities, often backed by police departments, are clashing with state lawmakers over how to regulate the open carrying of firearms.

    Dallas’s police chief drew criticism from gun rights advocates for saying open carriers made it more “challenging” for his officers to respond to a shooter who killed five policemen at a demonstration this month.

    The debate occasionally transcends political ideology. Some opposition to open-carry gun laws comes from Republican politicians such as former Texas Governor Rick Perry, who said last year that he was not “fond of this open-carry concept.”

    Police in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, have been trying and failing to restrict the open carrying of guns for years. The state attorney general argues that citizens have a constitutional right to publicly display weapons, which cannot be overruled by city authorities.

    “I wish more of our legislators could see past the ideology,” said Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn. “They have no concern about the impact in urban environments that are already plagued by too many guns and too much violence.”

    Flynn attracted gun owners’ ire when he told his officers in 2009 to detain open carriers despite the attorney general’s ruling. Flynn said his department has since “adapted” to the state law.

    Open-carry advocates say that criminals almost never openly carry firearms. And if law-abiding citizens fail to demonstrate their right to carry guns, they risk losing it, they add.

    “We’re sympathetic to law enforcement being concerned about their safety, but that doesn’t mean we give up citizens’ rights just to make it easier to police large events,” said John Pierce, co-founder of national advocacy group OpenCarry.org.

    Wisconsin state representative Bob Gannon said he personally is “not a fan” of the practice because it makes people uncomfortable. Still, he said, the right to carry guns in public spaces should be upheld because it is protected by the state constitution.

    “The police chief is not an emperor for the state, and he should defer to the state statutes,” he said.

    A demonstrator protesting the shooting death of Alton Sterling is detained by law enforcement near the headquarters of the Baton Rouge Police Department in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, U.S. July 9, 2016. REUTERS/Jonathan Bachman
    A demonstrator protesting the shooting death of Alton Sterling is detained by law enforcement near the headquarters of the Baton Rouge Police Department in Baton Rouge, Louisiana Thomson Reuters

    In states where cities can restrict open carry laws, they often have had to defend that right in court.

    Colorado passed legislation in 2003 aimed at ensuring a state law on firearms supersedes local ordinances. Denver, the state capital, sued the state to make sure the laws would not affect the city’s longstanding ban on openly carrying firearms.

    The city won in 2006 after a 3-3 ruling from the Colorado Supreme Court upheld a lower court ruling in favor of Denver.

    “In some parts of rural Colorado, where there’s a lot of critters, some people really like the idea of open carry,” said Dan Montgomery, chief of police of the Denver suburb of Westminster for 25 years before leaving the force in 2010. “Certainly, even in the law enforcement community we have our arch conservatives who strongly believe in it, but for the vast majority of us, it’s problematic.”

    Not all cities agree. After a man carrying a rifle opened fire in a Colorado Springs neighborhood last autumn, killing three bystanders, Colorado Springs Mayor John Suthers said he had “no appetite” for tightening the city’s open-carry laws because he did not think such restrictions would improve public safety. Suthers declined to comment for this article.

    UNPOPULAR WITH COPS

    Little research has been done on the views of open-carry policies among police officers nationwide or even within states, which each regulate guns differently. But studies by two top police organizations in the past year provide some insight.

    In Florida and Texas, where open-carry laws were recently debated in the state legislatures, surveys found that a majority of law enforcement leaders opposed them. Open-carry legislation was defeated in Florida but passed in Texas.

    In Florida, open-carry advocates will almost certainly try to legalize it again next session, said Bob Gualtieri, chair of the legislative committee of the Florida Sheriffs’ Association, which represents the state’s 67 sheriffs.

    The association took a vote on the issue this year and found three quarters of the 62 responding sheriffs opposed open carry.

    A 2015 survey of about one-fifth of the police chiefs in Texas also found that three quarters of respondents opposed open carry, according to the state police chiefs’ association, which ran the survey.

    The same year, the state legislature passed a law permitting firearm owners with a concealed-carry license to openly carry handguns.

    Gualtieri said the Dallas shooting illustrated the way people who openly carry guns can hinder law enforcement responses to active shooter scenarios. Dallas police said up to 30 people were carrying rifles during a protest on the night that a man opened fire on police officers, complicating law enforcement’s attempts to identify the gunman.

    “Not a single one of these people carrying firearms out there in Texas caught this guy in what he was doing,” Gualtieri said. “It drained law enforcement resources and subjected citizens to being unnecessarily taken into custody, and I think we should all be very grateful that nobody else got hurt.”

    #48993
    wv
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    Rawlings said. “But it’s got to start with our self-esteem as a police force and understand 99 percent of what they do is what we want and that we’re proud of them. Sometimes, people hear what they want to hear in those conversations.”
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    Course thats kindof a bullshit statement because
    no-one knows what ‘percent’ of what an entire police dept does
    is good. I mean how would we know how much corruption goes on?

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    #48996
    InvaderRam
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    Rawlings said. “But it’s got to start with our self-esteem as a police force and understand 99 percent of what they do is what we want and that we’re proud of them. Sometimes, people hear what they want to hear in those conversations.”
    ——————-

    Course thats kindof a bullshit statement because
    no-one knows what ‘percent’ of what an entire police dept does
    is good. I mean how would we know how much corruption goes on?

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    lots of corrupt cops out there. a lot of them never get caught.

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