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  • #72784
    Zooey
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    I don’t think Bannon getting fired is going to make anything better. In terms of policy, or anything.

    What I think is that Bannon was the only rudder the fucking Trump team ever had, and now that he’s gone, there isn’t going to be any plan beyond the Twitter cycle, so it’s going to unravel even more from this point on.

    #72797
    wv
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    I have a lot of respect for Max Blumenthal.

    #72799
    wv
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    …notice what Blumenthal sez about the Daily Stormer “taking out a russian domain” and angering the Russians because of it….

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    #72800
    zn
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    …notice what Blumenthal sez about the Daily Stormer “taking out a russian domain” and angering the Russians because of it….

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    If they stay on that domain that anger is fake or never existed.

    It’s simple enough to kick them off.

    I just think your guy was trapped in a “leftist who is inexplicably confused on Russia” dilemma and tried to fix it with rhetoric.

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    #72802
    wv
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    …notice what Blumenthal sez about the Daily Stormer “taking out a russian domain” and angering the Russians because of it….

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    If they stay on that domain that anger is fake or never existed.

    It’s simple enough to kick them off.

    I just think your guy was trapped in a “leftist who is inexplicably confused on Russia” dilemma and tried to fix it with rhetoric.

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    And if they dont stay on the domain? Then does that make Blumenthal right?

    Lets see if they stay on the domain.

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    #72803
    wv
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    link:https://www.rferl.org/a/u-s-neo-nazi-website-russian-domain-daily-stormer/28680409.html

    Just googled it

    “Russian Web Host Suspends Daily Stormer After Government Inquiry ”

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    #72804
    zn
    zn
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    And if they dont stay on the domain? Then does that make Blumenthal right?

    Lets see if they stay on the domain.

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    Yes it makes him right on this.

    A man’s gotta be fair….

    #72805
    zn
    zn
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    ‘My Work Here Is Done,’ Smiles Contented Bannon Before Bursting Into Millions Of Spores

    http://www.theonion.com/article/my-work-here-done-smiles-contented-bannon-bursting-56698

    WASHINGTON—His skin already starting to bubble, newly dismissed White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon reportedly smiled and said “My work here is done” on Friday before bursting into millions of spores. “Now that I’ve accomplished everything I set out to do, it’s time for me to go,” said a contented Bannon moments before exploding into a cloud of millions of tiny black particles that swirled out the Oval Office window. “Just know that, if ever you need me, call my name into the wind and I will appear. Goodbye, my friends! Goodbye!” At press time, any White House staffers that had inhaled the Bannon spores were dying in agony as the spores began sprouting in their brains.

    #72819
    Mackeyser
    Mackeyser
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    Bannon isn’t gone.

    His move back to Breitbart was coordinated in Wed and Thurs.

    He was back at work at Breitbart on Fri eve.

    Trump needed an external attack vector to hammer “disloyal Republicans”

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #72822
    wv
    wv
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    Bannon isn’t gone.

    His move back to Breitbart was coordinated in Wed and Thurs.

    He was back at work at Breitbart on Fri eve.

    Trump needed an external attack vector to hammer “disloyal Republicans”

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    Yeah he will still have influence and power, but
    I ‘do’ think there ware some differences with Trump. Ya know.
    Like Sauron and Saruman. They had differences.

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    #72832
    Zooey
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    Bannon isn’t gone.

    His move back to Breitbart was coordinated in Wed and Thurs.

    He was back at work at Breitbart on Fri eve.

    Trump needed an external attack vector to hammer “disloyal Republicans”

    That is absolutely what he is doing. He flat out said so in an interview with the Weekly Standard. Breitbart is going after “wayward” Republicans – as well as Democrats, obviously. He got frustrated with the slow pace of the “American carnage” that he forecast through Trump’s inauguration address, and thinks he can apply more pressure to achieve that from his propaganda machine than from inside the White House which he thinks is gummed up with Establishment types. “Globalists” like Ivanka and Jared.

    “I feel jacked up,” he says. “Now I’m free. I’ve got my hands back on my weapons. Someone said, ‘it’s Bannon the Barbarian.’ I am definitely going to crush the opposition. There’s no doubt. I built a f***ing machine at Breitbart. And now I’m about to go back, knowing what I know, and we’re about to rev that machine up. And rev it up we will do.”

    Bannon tells The Weekly Standard that he can be more effective without the constraints of the White House. “I can fight better on the outside. I can’t fight too many Democrats on the inside like I can on the outside.”

    And, he says, Trump encouraged him to take on the Republican establishment. “I said, ‘look, I’ll focus on going after the establishment.’ He said, ‘good, I need that.’ I said, ‘look, I’ll always be here covering for you.’”

    This is a time to get the popcorn ready because Breitbart is going to be dictating the news cycles now. He is going to set the table regularly for what the hairdos are going to talk and write about. He claims he has already succeeded in permanently realigning politics in this country, and has set the stage to blow up the establishment in earnest. And like he said, he KNOWS stuff now that can be used as pressure points. From outside the government, he thinks he has clear shots to purge the party. So we are going to see over the next year whether Bannon is a shrewd manipulator, or a victim of his own hubris.

    I think his resignation leaves McMaster as the only person in the White House who can say anything to Trump. I have no handle on that guy yet, but he is the one to watch on the inside now.

    #72833
    wv
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    Bannon isn’t gone.

    His move back to Breitbart was coordinated in Wed and Thurs.

    He was back at work at Breitbart on Fri eve.

    Trump needed an external attack vector to hammer “disloyal Republicans”

    That is absolutely what he is doing. He flat out said so in an interview with the Weekly Standard. Breitbart is going after “wayward” Republicans – as well as Democrats, obviously. He got frustrated with the slow pace of the “American carnage” that he forecast through Trump’s inauguration address, and thinks he can apply more pressure to achieve that from his propaganda machine than from inside the White House which he thinks is gummed up with Establishment types. “Globalists” like Ivanka and Jared.

    “I feel jacked up,” he says. “Now I’m free. I’ve got my hands back on my weapons. Someone said, ‘it’s Bannon the Barbarian.’ I am definitely going to crush the opposition. There’s no doubt. I built a f***ing machine at Breitbart. And now I’m about to go back, knowing what I know, and we’re about to rev that machine up. And rev it up we will do.”

    Bannon tells The Weekly Standard that he can be more effective without the constraints of the White House. “I can fight better on the outside. I can’t fight too many Democrats on the inside like I can on the outside.”

    And, he says, Trump encouraged him to take on the Republican establishment. “I said, ‘look, I’ll focus on going after the establishment.’ He said, ‘good, I need that.’ I said, ‘look, I’ll always be here covering for you.’”

    This is a time to get the popcorn ready because Breitbart is going to be dictating the news cycles now. He is going to set the table regularly for what the hairdos are going to talk and write about. He claims he has already succeeded in permanently realigning politics in this country, and has set the stage to blow up the establishment in earnest. And like he said, he KNOWS stuff now that can be used as pressure points. From outside the government, he thinks he has clear shots to purge the party. So we are going to see over the next year whether Bannon is a shrewd manipulator, or a victim of his own hubris.

    I think his resignation leaves McMaster as the only person in the White House who can say anything to Trump. I have no handle on that guy yet, but he is the one to watch on the inside now.

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    Who are the players in this earthly-existential-drama, Zooey? Is that even a reasonable question? And who are the puppets and who are the puppet-masters?

    I keep trying to formulate a model of ‘the situation’ or ‘the reality’.

    I mean, ya got the Alt-right/Breitbart-right folks like Bannon. I dont really know who/what they are, but they remind me a lot of the Pat Buchannon folks — ultimately RightWing Corporate-Capitalists who do not get along with the rightwing establishment globalists. They are a bit more isolationists (except for Israel/Iran, maybe)

    Then ya got yer Establishment Reps. Pro-corporate-capitalist Neocon/NeoLibs.

    Then ya got yer Evangelical Rightwing Christians. Its all about abortion to most of them.

    Then ya got yer Hillary-Globalist-Pro-Corporate Dems. The DNC. (I think the establishment Reps and the Hillary Globalists make up a big part of this thing i call ‘the deep state’. The deep state does not like Trump.)

    Then ya got yer Bernie Dems. I dunno how big a group the progressives are.

    What other factions are in this pile of politics? Thousands of smaller groups, i guess.

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    #72841
    Billy_T
    Billy_T
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    Bannon isn’t gone.

    His move back to Breitbart was coordinated in Wed and Thurs.

    He was back at work at Breitbart on Fri eve.

    Trump needed an external attack vector to hammer “disloyal Republicans”

    I agree with you on that one, Mac. Completely. Very well put, direct and to the point. It’s one of those Old Hacker style posts . . . I’d probably turn that into five pages, instead, and it wouldn’t really have added anything of import.

    ;>)

    #72842
    Billy_T
    Billy_T
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    Bannon isn’t gone.

    His move back to Breitbart was coordinated in Wed and Thurs.

    He was back at work at Breitbart on Fri eve.

    Trump needed an external attack vector to hammer “disloyal Republicans”

    That is absolutely what he is doing. He flat out said so in an interview with the Weekly Standard. Breitbart is going after “wayward” Republicans – as well as Democrats, obviously. He got frustrated with the slow pace of the “American carnage” that he forecast through Trump’s inauguration address, and thinks he can apply more pressure to achieve that from his propaganda machine than from inside the White House which he thinks is gummed up with Establishment types. “Globalists” like Ivanka and Jared.

    “I feel jacked up,” he says. “Now I’m free. I’ve got my hands back on my weapons. Someone said, ‘it’s Bannon the Barbarian.’ I am definitely going to crush the opposition. There’s no doubt. I built a f***ing machine at Breitbart. And now I’m about to go back, knowing what I know, and we’re about to rev that machine up. And rev it up we will do.”

    Bannon tells The Weekly Standard that he can be more effective without the constraints of the White House. “I can fight better on the outside. I can’t fight too many Democrats on the inside like I can on the outside.”

    And, he says, Trump encouraged him to take on the Republican establishment. “I said, ‘look, I’ll focus on going after the establishment.’ He said, ‘good, I need that.’ I said, ‘look, I’ll always be here covering for you.’”

    This is a time to get the popcorn ready because Breitbart is going to be dictating the news cycles now. He is going to set the table regularly for what the hairdos are going to talk and write about. He claims he has already succeeded in permanently realigning politics in this country, and has set the stage to blow up the establishment in earnest. And like he said, he KNOWS stuff now that can be used as pressure points. From outside the government, he thinks he has clear shots to purge the party. So we are going to see over the next year whether Bannon is a shrewd manipulator, or a victim of his own hubris.

    I think his resignation leaves McMaster as the only person in the White House who can say anything to Trump. I have no handle on that guy yet, but he is the one to watch on the inside now.

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    Who are the players in this earthly-existential-drama, Zooey? Is that even a reasonable question? And who are the puppets and who are the puppet-masters?

    I keep trying to formulate a model of ‘the situation’ or ‘the reality’.

    I mean, ya got the Alt-right/Breitbart-right folks like Bannon. I dont really know who/what they are, but they remind me a lot of the Pat Buchannon folks — ultimately RightWing Corporate-Capitalists who do not get along with the rightwing establishment globalists. They are a bit more isolationists (except for Israel/Iran, maybe)

    Then ya got yer Establishment Reps. Pro-corporate-capitalist Neocon/NeoLibs.

    Then ya got yer Evangelical Rightwing Christians. Its all about abortion to most of them.

    Then ya got yer Hillary-Globalist-Pro-Corporate Dems. The DNC. (I think the establishment Reps and the Hillary Globalists make up a big part of this thing i call ‘the deep state’. The deep state does not like Trump.)

    Then ya got yer Bernie Dems. I dunno how big a group the progressives are.

    What other factions are in this pile of politics? Thousands of smaller groups, i guess.

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    I know you asked Zooey, and not me . . . . but, my own two cents is you have most of that right. Good summary. But I don’t think “the deep state” is against Trump for any reason other than they think he’s nutz. It’s the opposite of what his fanboys think — that he’s a threat to their power, etc. No. He wants what they want: a much bigger military, neoliberal economic policies, massive tax cuts for the rich, accelerated privatization of public goods, services and assets, including public schools and national parks . . . and major deregulation.

    Trump is fine with “extreme measures” when it comes to war, and has railed against “PC” preventing our military from functioning properly. As in, he wants to take off all the gloves. The power elite, in general, wants that too. With exceptions.

    The only reason they’re against him (IMO) if they are, is cuz he’s crazy, incredibly ignorant, and liable to get us into a nuclear war with North Korea or Iran or some other target. Aside from that, his policy ideas sync up with the powers that be very well, especially on the economy.

    #72843
    Zooey
    Zooey
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    I think you have to give the Mercer dynasty and the Koch brothers a mention. I’d throw in Mossad, the Saudi royal family, and the Murdochs and other media owners/corpse.

    Add all of them together, and you have a clusterfuck.

    I don’t think it’s enough any more to just leave the US. It’s time to leave the planet. Think there are any good sports bars on Venus?

    #72855
    wv
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    I think you have to give the Mercer dynasty and the Koch brothers a mention. I’d throw in Mossad, the Saudi royal family, and the Murdochs and other media owners/corpse.

    Add all of them together, and you have a clusterfuck.

    I don’t think it’s enough any more to just leave the US. It’s time to leave the planet. Think there are any good sports bars on Venus?

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    Well, i would like a pie chart.

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    #72856
    wv
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    The only reason they’re against him (IMO) if they are, is cuz he’s crazy, incredibly ignorant, and liable to get us into a nuclear war with North Korea or Iran or some other target. Aside from that, his policy ideas sync up with the powers that be very well, especially on the economy.

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    Well, I am not a hundred percent ‘sure’ of any of this, but i do think there is a ‘they’ and I do think ‘they’ are fighting against Trump in some way. They loved Hillary and they dont like Trump. I suspect its not that they think he’s “nutz”. I think it has to do with Russia and his ideas that are a bit like Buchanons. Trump seems to want a bigger military and he seems to be a hawk when it comes to N.Korea and Iran, but other than that, I’m not sure he wants to spread the Empire as much as Hillary and that group. But i dunno. Could be he just pissed off some bigwigs in the CIA.

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    #72859
    zn
    zn
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    i do think there is a ‘they’ and I do think ‘they’ are fighting against Trump in some way. They loved Hillary and they dont like Trump. I suspect its not that they think he’s “nutz”. …I’m not sure he wants to spread the Empire as much as Hillary and that group.

    Personally? I don;t believe any of that. I certainly don;t believe there’s evidence for any of it.

    #72864
    Billy_T
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    The only reason they’re against him (IMO) if they are, is cuz he’s crazy, incredibly ignorant, and liable to get us into a nuclear war with North Korea or Iran or some other target. Aside from that, his policy ideas sync up with the powers that be very well, especially on the economy.

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    Well, I am not a hundred percent ‘sure’ of any of this, but i do think there is a ‘they’ and I do think ‘they’ are fighting against Trump in some way. They loved Hillary and they dont like Trump. I suspect its not that they think he’s “nutz”. I think it has to do with Russia and his ideas that are a bit like Buchanons. Trump seems to want a bigger military and he seems to be a hawk when it comes to N.Korea and Iran, but other than that, I’m not sure he wants to spread the Empire as much as Hillary and that group. But i dunno. Could be he just pissed off some bigwigs in the CIA.

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    Trump had to have made Military Complex contractors ecstatic on his trip to the Middle East. He helped broker a deal for 115 billion dollars worth of arms to Saudi Arabia, and in a very strange brag, said he got them a really good deal. He actually seems to have tried to lower the price so the Saudis would go for it. He also fawned all over the Saudis and the other Arab dictators, has a real thing for the crackpot leader of the Philippines, Duterte, and has threatened to go to war against Venezuela, directly, and insinuated he might invade Mexico. He threatened Venezuela with invasion recently, and Mexico in his first week in office.

    He’s more of a hawk than the very hawkish Clinton. I don’t want either party in power. But Trump is more likely to get us into war. He also recently bragged about how our nuclear capabilities are greater than ever, thanks to him, and he promised to radically increase the size and power of the military, especially the Navy. If anyone expected that Trump would be in the Ron Paul, non-intervention mode . . . they must be greatly disappointed right now. He strikes me more like Dr. Strangelove.

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