the problems with grading OL play

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    zn
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    Hacksaw_64 posted this.

    Without knowing the exact Ram Playbook protection Scheme and or/whatever the QB checked into at the LoS when looking at the defense it is IMPOSSIBLE to know which OL are missing assignments in ZBS. There are way too many combinations and adjustment responsibility’s to account for. When you add to the equation a late blitz/line shift/stunt by the defense new assignments and special contingencies apply.

    On any given blitz/stunt/twist vs a certain variation of a play from whatever formation and protection package call that goes with it, I am indeed contending that places like PFF cannot know the correct blocking assignment responsibilities for the play call. It goes even deeper than that. They can’t even possibly know what the QB or center checked the line into at the LoS. Then even further they don’t know what the coaches have told them what they do in situational adjustments responsibilities when the defense dials up something exotic.

    Here is a running play from the Martz 2000 Playbook. Its is only assigned for a 4-3 without accounting for exotic shift/blitz stunt contingencies. Which like we all know, happen frequently.

    If you notice the “Alert is Cal”. Which changes the LT assignment on the play entirely. Dp sites like PFF have every play for every single team with every variations and combination of correct blocking assignment against every possible defense? Second, do they have listening devices to intercept and interpret the “Alert” by the QB at the LoS? This is pretty critical information if you asked me if I was grading a play and was going to assign who exactly missed a given assignment.

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    InvaderRam
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    yeah i saw that post over at the herd. it was in regards to all the criticism grob has been receiving.

    and i would almost believe it except for the fact that grob was benched twice during the season. not exactly a show of confidence from the coaching staff.

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    it was in regards to all the criticism grob has been receiving.

    I actually tried to separate it from all that. That is, it can also be read just as a description of how much goes into setting up protections. To me that’s one of the big issues with Goff–it seems to me he has to get better at that.

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    InvaderRam
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    it was in regards to all the criticism grob has been receiving.

    I actually tried to separate it from all that. That is, it can also be read just as a description of how much goes into setting up protections. To me that’s one of the big issues with Goff–it seems to me he has to get better at that.

    well certainly when you compare keenum and goff it was obvious that goff was deficient in seeing where the pressure was coming from and adjusting protections. or he just wasn’t getting rid of the ball fast enough.

    i think i read somewhere that olson is good at drilling qbs on that kind of stuff.

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    zn
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    i think i read somewhere that olson is good at drilling qbs on that kind of stuff.

    Yeah that’s a big thing.

    “Coach Olson taught me so much about protections,” Carr said. “We were one of the top two or three most-pressured teams in the NFL while still being one or two in least amount of sacks. His big deal is eliminating hits on the quarterback.”

    that was was from 2015 when Olson went to the Jagz

    Here’s the rankings on the Jagz sack percentage from 2014-16

    2014 before Olson: 32nd (11.3%, which is just freaking awful)
    2015: 10th
    2016: 11th

    link: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/report-greg-olson-to-rams-as-quarterbacks-coach/

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