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  • #74623
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    This is prettymuch what I expected from the beloved Mr Burns.

    Chomsky always calls the war “the US Invasion of Vietnam.” I didnt think Burns would ‘go there.’

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    Ken Burns:https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/19/getting-the-gulf-of-tonkin-wrong-are-ken-burns-and-lynn-novick-telling-stories-about-the-central-events-used-to-legitimize-the-us-attack-against-vietnam/

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    #74635
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    Getting the Gulf of Tonkin thing wrong at this late date just cries “willful blindness.”

    #74806
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    Pilger:https://consortiumnews.com/2017/09/21/the-killing-of-history/

    PBS’ “The Vietnam War” may show some of the conflict’s horrors but still soft-pedals the horrific war crimes that America inflicted on Vietnam, fitting with a corporate-dependent documentary project, writes John Pilger.

    By John Pilger

    One of the most hyped “events” of American television, “The Vietnam War,” has started on the PBS network. The directors are Ken Burns and Lynn Novick. Acclaimed for his documentaries on the Civil War, the Great Depression and the history of jazz, Burns says of his Vietnam films, “They will inspire our country to begin to talk and think about the Vietnam War in an entirely new way.”

    An American soldier walks by a Vietnamese home that was set on fire. (From the PBS’ series, “The Vietnam War.”)

    In a society often bereft of historical memory and in thrall to the propaganda of its “exceptionalism,” Burns’s “entirely new” Vietnam War is presented as an “epic, historic work.” Its lavish advertising campaign promotes its biggest backer, Bank of America, which in 1971 was burned down by students in Santa Barbara, California, as a symbol of the hated war in Vietnam.

    Burns says he is grateful to “the entire Bank of America family” which “has long supported our country’s veterans.” Bank of America was a corporate prop to an invasion that killed perhaps as many as four million Vietnamese and ravaged and poisoned a once bountiful land. More than 58,000 American soldiers were killed, and around the same number are estimated to have taken their own lives.

    I watched the first episode in New York. It leaves you in no doubt of its intentions right from the start. The narrator says the war “was begun in good faith by decent people out of fateful misunderstandings, American overconfidence and Cold War misunderstandings.”

    The dishonesty of this statement is not surprising. The cynical fabrication of “false flags” that led to the invasion of Vietnam is a matter of record – the Gulf of Tonkin “incident” in 1964, which Burns promotes as true, was just one. The lies litter a multitude of official documents, notably the Pentagon Papers, which the great whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg released in 1971.

    There was no good faith. The faith was rotten and cancerous. For me – as it must be for many Americans – it is difficult to watch the film’s jumble of “red peril” maps, unexplained interviewees, ineptly cut archive and maudlin American battlefield sequences. In the series’ press release in Britain — the BBC will show it — there is no mention of Vietnamese dead, only Americans.

    “We are all searching for some meaning in this terrible tragedy,” Novick is quoted as saying. How very post-modern.

    All this will be familiar to those who have observed how the American media and popular culture behemoth has revised and served up the great crime of the second half of the Twentieth Century: from “The Green Berets” and “The Deer Hunter” to “Rambo” and, in so doing, has legitimized subsequent wars of aggression. The revisionism never stops and the blood never dries. The invader is pitied and purged of guilt, while “searching for some meaning in this terrible tragedy.” Cue Bob Dylan: “Oh, where have you been, my blue-eyed son?”

    What ‘Decency’ and ‘Good Faith’?….see link….

    #74811
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    The “meaning” of the Vietnam War is no different from the meaning of the genocidal campaign against the Native Americans, the colonial massacres in the Philippines, the atomic bombings of Japan, the leveling of every city in North Korea. .

    That’s all a big blur and means nothing to me.

    I always prefer cold hard detailed history.

    If the only intention of Vietnam was genocide, that was an awfully inconvenient place to go do it.

    Vietnam was a product of many things, including policies and mindsets and ideological assumptions, and I would rather know that stuff.

    Other people can get into undifferentiated outrage. Personally I can’t hear it. It’s like screaming, to me.

    None of which defends or justifies or excuses or exonerates Vietnam. I guess we just have to assume an alliance between the screamers and the analysts. Some people are both.

    #74842
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    The “meaning” of the Vietnam War is no different from the meaning of the genocidal campaign against the Native Americans, the colonial massacres in the Philippines, the atomic bombings of Japan, the leveling of every city in North Korea. .

    That’s all a big blur and means nothing to me.

    I always prefer cold hard detailed history.

    If the only intention of Vietnam was genocide, that was an awfully inconvenient place to go do it.

    Vietnam was a product of many things, including policies and mindsets and ideological assumptions, and I would rather know that stuff.

    Other people can get into undifferentiated outrage. Personally I can’t hear it. It’s like screaming, to me.

    None of which defends or justifies or excuses or exonerates Vietnam. I guess we just have to assume an alliance between the screamers and the analysts. Some people are both.

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    I interpret Pilger’s writing differently. He just seems the same as Howard Zinn to me, and i never thought of Zinn as a ‘screamer.’ To me, Pilger IS doing “cold hard detailed history”…blah blah blah, we see it differently. No big thing.

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    #74844
    zn
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    I interpret Pilger’s writing differently. He just seems the same as Howard Zinn to me, and i never thought of Zinn as a ‘screamer.’ To me, Pilger IS doing “cold hard detailed history”…blah blah blah, we see it differently. No big thing.

    Well specifically I was remarking on the paragraph I quoted, but, in general that essay doesn’t do much toward explaining Vietnam. When it comes to that, and I don’t take any pleasure in saying this, Burns does more. Though in terms of the overall view, Burns is just wrong and Pilger is right about that.

    I have a thing about left outrage. You know this, and you know it’s a quirk of mine. I can summon outrage on my own. I don’t need someone to do it for me. What I like is cold blooded open-eyed analysis. The USA was not in Vietnam just to be genocidal. And for that matter when it came to just murdering opponents and those around them, for a long time, until they re-thought their policies, the North Vietnamese were not much better. They just didn’t have air forces.

    What caused Vietnam? Interesting question. Lots of things. It’s a hard history lesson…hard both in the sense of “harsh lesson learned the hard way” and in the sense of “not easily determined or explained.” IF we are just going to reduce it to a big general moral question, though, Burns is wrong and Pilger is right. It’s just that…I already know that. So when I read people I care more about the details.

    Are we of a similar age? I had a draft number. They stopped the war before it was my turn.

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