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March 11, 2015 at 6:50 pm #20126AgamemnonParticipantMarch 11, 2015 at 6:50 pm #20123AgamemnonParticipant
Greg Cosell Breaks Down Bradford-Foles Trade on The Press Box
Brendan Marks posted on March 11, 2015 11:49NFL Films’ Greg Cosell has worked is one of the more knowledgeable men when it comes to the X’s and O’s of football.
Cosell, who’s a regular guest on The Hollywood Casino Press Box during the football season, joined Frank Cusumano on Tuesday to discuss the Rams’ and Eagles’ blockbuster trade involving Sam Bradford and Nick Foles.
We’ve transcribed the main talking points of the segment. You can listen to the whole thing below:
First thought when you heard about the trade:
“Quite honestly I couldn’t believe that the Eagles would make the deal, that was my first thought. Especially when I heard the Rams are also getting a second-round draft choice.”
What are the Rams getting with Foles?
“I think ultimately Foles is a complementary quarterback. I think he’s a quarterback that needs the run game, that needs the offense to work effectively. They’ll have a good defense. I think Foles can be a quality NFL starting quarterback. He throws the ball well. He’s a big kid. He has some movement within the pocket. The key with Nick Foles is you have to define things for him. The longer he stays in the pocket, the worse he is and his arm strength declines…because he tends to throw off balance. So things need to be defined for him so the ball comes out. But I think there’s talent there. Frank Cignetti is a detailed, disciplined guy and he’s going to make sure that Nick Foles is going to do things the right way. I think that’s important for Nick. I think he needs to be coached hard with the fundamentals because I think the talent level is pretty hard.”
On Foles’ accuracy and toughness:
“I think the accuracy is good. It obviously declines the more there’s people around him. I think that’s a critical thing that needs to be worked on. I don’t think there’s a problem with his toughness at all, he’s a tough kid. He took shots in Philly. Some of them were his own doing, because he was a little slow getting the ball out. But I don’t think there’s any issue at all with toughness.”
What do you think Chip Kelly was thinking with this move?
“The only thing you can think of is Pat Shurmur was in St. Louis…He’s the OC in Philly and has a lot to say about the offense. Sam Bradford was a No. 1 pick. He’s still viewed as a talented thrower. I think he’s a little gun shy in the pocket right now and that’s a problem in this league.”
More on Bradford:
“I don’t think his accuracy is what it was coming out of college. So I think you’re dealing with a QB that has a lot to prove. They’re starting to sell Sam Bradford jerseys on their website and that doesn’t strike me as something you would do if you were ready to flip him. Sam Bradford (ran Kelly’s) offense in college. He’s played in the speed tempo offense and has been very efficient running it.”
If you could have Sam Bradford or Nick Foles running your offense in 2015, who would it be?
“Nick Foles.”
Cosell also discussed the upcoming NFL draft and what he thinks the Rams should do. You can listen to the whole segment here:
March 11, 2015 at 6:53 pm #20125AgamemnonParticipantSegment 2 – Jim Thomas 3.11.15
Wednesday, March 11, 2015 9:09 AM
#WeenWednesday, think Tim likes saying “Ween Wednesday”, wondering if Doug can just call Jeff Fisher to get the #scoop, Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch joins the show, Rams management not happy with Bradford refusing to take pay cut, do not even think that Bradford had meeting with new QB coach Chris Weinke, the return the Rams got in the transaction, what the Rams can start doing with the available cash, may not matter in a few years when the Rams could not even be here, not many playmakers for Bradford in Philly, not sure what Chip Kelly is exactly doing yet only the second day of free agency, Bradford certainly has some skills plus some appeal to certain coachesMarch 11, 2015 at 7:02 pm #20130znModeratorRandy Karraker calls in from vacation to give The Fast Lane his take on the Bradford/Foles trade
March 11, 2015 at 7:03 pm #20132znModeratorIs there any way the Rams can lose the Bradford/Foles trade? Bernie Miklasz joins The Fast Lane
March 12, 2015 at 12:27 am #20152AgamemnonParticipantSegment 2 – Mike Martz 3-11-15
Wednesday, March 11, 2015 4:58 PMMartz likes Foles. Loves our WRs. He believes in a GOOD offensive line, it makes the whole team better. (one of my precepts)
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March 12, 2015 at 3:06 am #20164znModeratorMartz likes Foles. Loves our WRs. He believes in a GOOD offensive line, it makes the whole team better. (one of my precepts)
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Heard Martz, and he talked about how extremely important it is for any team to stabilize the O line. He said Bradford suffered from the injured Ram O line and so will Foles unless its fixed. Said the O line is the single most important part of any football team and that most NFL teams, including the Rams, have great wide receivers, but many don’t have the O line to protect the qb. He said it’s a passing game now and the qb needs protection . Believes Bradford has more talent than Foles but that neither the Eagle O line nor the Ram O line will allow either to reach their potential. Says Foles is a good qb and Bradford could be a great qb and both could take the team to the SB if they had a good O line.
March 12, 2015 at 3:59 am #20165znModeratorCOSELL
The longer he stays in the pocket, the worse he is and his arm strength declines…because he tends to throw off balance. So things need to be defined for him so the ball comes out.
I think the accuracy is good. It obviously declines the more there’s people around him. I think that’s a critical thing that needs to be worked on.
he was a little slow getting the ball out. But I don’t think there’s any issue at all with toughness
I looked at some PFF numbers, and it backs what Cosell says.
On getting rid of the ball.
In 2013, when he got rid of the ball quickly he did well. When he held the ball he did less well. The problem is–he held the ball more than he didn’t. In 2013 he held the ball more than 2.6 seconds 61.5% of the time–5th most in the league. But when he did, he only hit on 55.9% of his passes–15th best in the league. When he threw the ball under 2.5 seconds, he hit on 74.6% of his passes–3rd best in the league.
In 2014 he held the ball more than 2.6 seconds 51% of the time–5th most in the league. But when he did, he only hit on 46.4% of his passes–38th out of 39 qbs. When he threw the ball under 2.5 seconds, he hit on 73.4% of his passes–6th best in the league.
In his OL and being sacked. The issue in 2014 I think was not the line collapsing, it was just the line being LESS good than 2013.
So in 2013, he is sacked at a higher rate, though under pressure a bit less. Either way he performs better in 2013 than 2014 while being under pressure less–even though he is sacked more in terms of percentage of plays in 2013.
The key stats in 2013 for this are:
ranked 18 of 41 qbs in completion percentage under pressure
7 of 41 in accuracy percentage under pressure
14 in percentage of pass plays under pressure…that is 14th least
35 in sack percentage under pressure (he was sacked 22.5% of the times he threw under pressure)
1st in INTs thrown under pressure (meaning, least INTs…it’s zero)
2014:
36 of 39 in completion percentage under pressure
37 of 39 in accuracy percentage under pressure
20 in percentage of plays under pressure
1st in sack percentage under pressure (that is he was sacked just 8% of the times he threw under pressure, which was the lowest percentage in the league.)
21 in INTs thrown under pressure (he threw 5)
So in 2014, he is pressured less, sacked less, yet throws more INTs and is less accurate.
That doesn’t sound like a heavy OL breakdown to me…instead, it sounds like the 2014 Eagles OL was just less good than the 2013 and the result was he reacted differently, in comparison to the luxury of having a GREAT OL in 2013. The way Cosell put it, his mechanics get screwy.
Yeah he has to get the ball out quick. He can’t be standing back there trying to make plays when things break down. He doesn’t have a quick release, but he can get it out quick enough.
March 12, 2015 at 8:06 am #20167AgamemnonParticipantMarch 12, 2015 at 9:07 am #20168znModeratorHow about, defenses started learning his skills and chips offense. They took away the number one options and what Foles did best. Therefore he had to depend on the plan B and his secondary skills. This caused a performance drop.
His play in 4 games (games 4-7) fell off enough for the Eagles to sour on him during the season, which is why they were shopping him before the trade even became a possibility. http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2014/11/eagles_started_to_sour_on_nick_foles_before_his_injury.html Those 4 games his avg. qb rating is around 71 and he throws 7 INTs. Fortunately for them they also ran for 480 yards in that same 4 game stretch.
Looking at it realistically, there’s something to account for there. What happened, what percentage of it was him and not circumstances, what percentage of it wasn’t him, can it be fixed, how and why? One thing I notice…those 4 games include 3 against the NFC west (SF, Rams, ARZ).
But then Cosell says this, and he could be right:
I think Foles can be a quality NFL starting quarterback. He throws the ball well. He’s a big kid. He has some movement within the pocket. The key with Nick Foles is you have to define things for him.
March 12, 2015 at 9:16 am #20169AgamemnonParticipantHe probably had to face more pressure and better defensive play in those games. His batting average went down against better pitchers. This is his 4th year. He has a chance to learn more and improve.
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March 12, 2015 at 9:32 am #20171wvParticipantThe ironic thing iz the Bradford-haters have to
root for Sam now, cause if he stays
healthy and plays the games
the Rams dont lose a 3rd rd pick.S9 peepulz, which of the two QBs will
have the higher QB-rating ?I say…ummmmm….Bradford.
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vMarch 12, 2015 at 9:45 am #20173AgamemnonParticipantAll the football people think Bradford has the better skills. Foles is better than Glennon or Hill or anyone else the Rams might have gotten to replace Bradford. imo Is he just filler until we find a real QB? Is he the answer at QB? He has demonstrated some potential, but anyone who makes it this far has to demonstrate some potential. Besides, we have no one under contract for next year. We solved the QB situation as best we could this year. imo We are still looking for a better answer for next year and beyond.
March 12, 2015 at 9:53 am #20177PA RamParticipantThe ironic thing iz the Bradford-haters have to
root for Sam now, cause if he stays
healthy and plays the games
the Rams dont lose a 3rd rd pick.
S9 peepulz, which of the two QBs will
have the higher QB-rating ?I say…ummmmm….Bradford.
Haters gonna hate.
But I don’t know how anyone can hate Bradford. He’s a victim of bad circumstances.
Those QB ratings things can be tricky.
One guy is in a QB driven offense.
One guy is in a ground control offense.
One guy is in a fast moving, light speed offense(get as many plays in as you can).
One guy is in a slogging grind it out sort of offense.
It’ll be interesting to watch.
I’ll be rooting for Sam just because he’s a nice human being who has had a lot of crap to deal with and is doing his best.
I’ll be rooting for Foles because he’s a nice human being,also with some stuff he’s dealt with and he plays for the Rams.
I hope Foles wins.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
March 12, 2015 at 9:54 am #20178PA RamParticipantAll the football people think Bradford has the better skills. Foles is better than Glennon or Hill or anyone else the Rams might have gotten to replace Bradford. imo Is he just filler until we find a real QB? Is he the answer at QB? He has demonstrated some potential, but anyone who makes it this far has to demonstrate some potential. Besides, we have no one under contract for next year. We solved the QB situation as best we could this year. imo We are still looking for a better answer for next year and beyond.
I agree with that.
I think they pulled a rabbit out of a hat.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
March 12, 2015 at 10:03 am #20180znModeratorI’ll be rooting for Sam just because he’s a nice human being who has had a lot of crap to deal with and is doing his best.
I’ll be rooting for Foles because he’s a nice human being,also with some stuff he’s dealt with and he plays for the Rams.
Sorry but that is NOT how it is done. You don’t talk that way about quarterbacks on a message board. On a message board, when you talk about quarterbacks, you post conflict-driven, soul-grinding divisive messages of hate capable of demoralizing all readers and leaving them feeling hopeless about mankind’s prospects on this planet.
That’s just how it’s done.
Oh, and…have a nice day.
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March 12, 2015 at 10:12 am #20182rflParticipantAll the football people think Bradford has the better skills.
You know what pisses me off? All the football people say this now … AFTER he is traded to a higher profile team out East.
When he was a Ram, he was perennially dismissed as a bust.
I think most of us here knew all along he was a skilled QB. But “out there,” he was being listed as an all-time draft bust and routinely dismissed by pundits.
Well, bitterness never helps, does it?
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March 12, 2015 at 10:25 am #20187AgamemnonParticipantYou know what pisses me off? All the football people say this now … AFTER he is traded to a higher profile team out East.
When he was a Ram, he was perennially dismissed as a bust.
I think most of us here knew all along he was a skilled QB. But “out there,” he was being listed as an all-time draft bust and routinely dismissed by pundits.
Well, bitterness never helps, does it?
That’s right. lol And all the coverage is about the Eagles, nobody talks about the rams. Like in a lot of mock drafts, it is like they want the Rams to do something stupid. imo
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