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    zn
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    Rams’ offense should be better, but by how much?

    Alden Gonzalez

    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/34120/rams-offense-should-be-better-but-by-how-much

    LOS ANGELES — The optimist sees the 2017 Los Angeles Rams like this: Good on defense, good on special teams, and now it’s just a matter of how quickly they can fix the offense.

    Sean McVay, the rookie head coach who was brought in for that very task, isn’t ready to set expectations.

    “It sounds cliché — I think the expectation is that we’re just going to continue to try to get better every single day,” McVay said last Thursday, the day after the conclusion of his offseason program. “I know this, in terms of the predictions, things like that, we don’t really talk about it. But when you talk about the time, the effort that you put into each week, your expectation is to try to win that game.”

    The short answer: Nobody really knows how much better this unit can be with one offseason.

    There’s way too much ground to make up.

    The Rams were dead last in the NFL in yards each of the past two years, but their struggles are even deeper and more pronounced than that. They have finished within the bottom 10 in yards per game each of the past 10 years. During that 10-year stretch, they didn’t have a Pro Bowl quarterback and only had two 1,000-yard receivers — Torry Holt in 2007 and Kenny Britt in 2016. Using its DVOA (defense-adjusted value over average) metric, Football Outsiders has the 2016 Rams as the fourth-worst offense in the past 30 years.

    McVay has since cleared the decks.

    Only six of those expected to start the 2017 season were starters on offense during the stretch run last season. That includes quarterback Jared Goff, the No. 1 overall pick from 2016 who must be given a real chance; running back Todd Gurley, the Offensive Rookie of the Year in 2015; left guard Rodger Saffold, by far the Rams’ best offensive lineman last season; receiver Tavon Austin, who might have a one-year tryout with this new coaching staff; and linemen Rob Havenstein and Jamon Brown, each transitioning to new positions on the right side.

    At left tackle, the Rams swapped Greg Robinson for Andrew Whitworth. At center, Tim Barnes was replaced by John Sullivan. At receiver, Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp will essentially take the place of Britt and Brian Quick. At tight end, Tyler Higbee seems primed to absorb the targets that were once directed at Lance Kendricks.

    “I don’t necessarily know if it was about kind of changing the structure of the entire offense,” McVay said, “but more evaluating the pieces and then figuring out what’s the best way to put it together.”

    Regardless, it will be a largely different group implementing an entirely different philosophy.

    McVay was able to elevate quarterback Kirk Cousins while serving as the offensive coordinator and play-caller in Washington these past two seasons. He will call plays for the Rams, too, and has spoken constantly about being able to marry the run and the pass, something he wasn’t really able to accomplish in his prior gig. It’s even more important now because McVay wants to take a lot of the pressure off Goff, who’s still only 22 years old.

    The Rams’ offense should be better, but it’s impossible to know by how much.

    “To say how our offense affects what we’ll be able to do as a team, it’s hard to say,” McVay said. “And there’s so many things that change from year to year. But I think when you look at what’s been done in the past, we’re optimistic that we’re improving as a team.”

    #70318
    zn
    Moderator

    Only six of those expected to start the 2017 season were starters on offense during the stretch run last season.

    And, in fact, of the 11 starters on offense, assuming things hold the way they are now, most of the starters were on the roster in 2016. They added Whitworth, Sullivan, Kupp, and Woods.

    Assuming a 1 TE/3 WR offense (with of course probably contributions from Everett, Dunbar, Rogers, and Thomas), that’s:

    Whitworth Saffold Sullivan Hav Brown
    Higbee
    Goff
    Tavon Kupp Woods
    Gurley

    One thing that;’s pretty clear: if this offense takes off at all–to any appreciable extent–it will not only be coaching, and new additions to personnel, it will also be growth and development from guys already on the roster.

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    #70330
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    Tavon Kupp Woods

    my prediction is tavon will be phased out this season. thomas replaces austin.

    but that would still go to your point about growth and development from guys already on the roster.

    #70333
    Agamemnon
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    I guess that I am the only one who thinks Tavon’s contract isn’t excessive. Of course he has to perform, that is true of any player, but I think he will. For me that is 8-10 TDs in any form. I see Barron’s contract as more out of line that Tavon’s, but they both are livable. I find it a bit strange that we can pay Barron 9m/yr, Tavon 10.5m/yr, Brockers 11m/yr, Johnson 16.7m for this year, but we couldn’t pay Jenkins 12.5m/yr when Jenkins is the only player to go to the pro bowl.

    Agamemnon

    #70335
    zn
    Moderator

    we couldn’t pay Jenkins 12.5m/yr when Jenkins is the only player to go to the pro bowl.

    I believe the view (spoken by people like you for example) that they just screwed that one up.

    Move, absent Demoff, new contracts guy, Jenkins just moved faster than them under those circumstances.

    #70340
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Early in the negotiations, Jenkins broke off cause he said they basically insulted him and he was going to the open market. They probably tried a bit harder not to insult the next players. I haven’t constructed any time lines for this theory. 😉

    Agamemnon

    #70341
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    I guess that I am the only one who thinks Tavon’s contract isn’t excessive. Of course he has to perform, that is true of any player, but I think he will. For me that is 8-10 TDs in any form. I see Barron’s contract as more out of line that Tavon’s, but they both are livable. I find it a bit strange that we can pay Barron 9m/yr, Tavon 10.5m/yr, Brockers 11m/yr, Johnson 16.7m for this year, but we couldn’t pay Jenkins 12.5m/yr when Jenkins is the only player to go to the pro bowl.

    for me it’s not a matter of the contract. it’s a matter of fit. tavon will not fit this offense. this offense will require him to be a wide receiver which he is not. he’s something else.

    and no. i don’t believe mcvay will try to accomodate him.

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    #70346
    Agamemnon
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    Agamemnon

    #70348
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2532613-janoris-jenkins-contract-latest-news-and-rumors-on-negotiations-with-rams

    Janoris Jenkins Contract: Latest News and Rumors on Negotiations With Rams
    Joseph Zucker
    July 27, 2015

    With Janoris Jenkins set to become a free agent following the 2015 season, the St. Louis Rams are working behind the scenes to re-sign the 26-year-old cornerback to a long-term extension.

    Continue for updates.

    Rams, Jenkins Looking for Agreement Before Start of Season
    Monday, July 27

    NFL Network’s Rand Getlin reported Monday that Jenkins and the Rams are currently working out the details on a contract extension. He added the cutoff date for negotiations may be the start of the regular season:

    Jenkins is just one of a few Rams players set to become an unrestricted free agent next summer. Nick Foles, Brian Quick, William Hayes and Trumaine Johnson all fall into that category as well. St. Louis isn’t limited to negotiating with just one player at a time, but the front office will likely prioritize which players it targets first.

    A knee injury kept Jenkins out for two games last year. In 14 appearances, he recorded 59 total tackles and two interceptions, one of which he returned 99 yards for a touchdown.

    Given the fact Jenkins has made 43 regular-season starts over the past three years, the Rams will surely want to ensure a new deal will be agreed upon before the 2015 season gets underway. He’s a key member of the secondary.

    Then again, Jenkins could decide to bet on himself a bit and hope a strong campaign nets him a bigger contract once free agency begins.

    Agamemnon

    #70349
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    http://www.espn.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/27245/janoris-jenkins-expresses-contract-frustrations-on-twitter

    Janoris Jenkins expresses contract frustrations on Twitter

    Nick WagonerESPN Staff Writer

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — The Los Angeles Rams’ efforts to keep cornerback Janoris Jenkins from hitting the free-agent market have repeatedly come up short.

    On Sunday evening, Jenkins took to Twitter to let the world know of his frustration with the team’s inability to meet his asking price.

    Jenkins went so far as to term the Rams’ overtures as “disrespectful.”

    Jenkins and the Rams have been talking about a new contract for more than a year, but he now looks poised to at least test the market unless the Rams decide to use the franchise or transition tag on him rather than fellow cornerback Trumaine Johnson. The Rams were believed to be offering around $7-8 million annually to Jenkins before he broke off contract negotiations after the team’s Week 6 bye last year.

    “I gave them up until the bye week,” Jenkins said then. “They knew what was going on. I told them anything after the bye week, I ain’t listening, I don’t want to hear it. I want to focus on football. The bye week is gone, so I just want to play football.”

    The Rams and Jenkins’ representatives restarted talks near the end of the season, and although the Rams upped their offer a little bit, it still hasn’t been enough to get Jenkins to sign a new long-term deal. Jenkins is believed to be looking for contract that starts in the vicinity of the $10.5 million per year that Byron Maxwell got from the Philadelphia Eagles in free agency last year.

    Contract talks with Jenkins have stalled for now, though, after Jenkins recently parted ways with agent Malik Shareef. NFLPA rules stipulate that a player cannot hire a new agent until a five-day window has passed. CBSSports.com reported that Jenkins’ new agents will be Neil Schwartz and Jonathan Feinsod, who also represent Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis.

    That means Jenkins should have new agents in place before the start of the two-day “legal tampering” period which begins next Monday but not before Tuesday’s deadline to use the franchise or transition tag. ESPN’s Adam Caplan reported that the new agents could be in place on Thursday.

    Agamemnon

    #70350
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/janoris-jenkins-isnt-happy-with-the-way-contract-negotiations-played-out/

    Janoris Jenkins isn’t happy with the way contract negotiations played out
    It does not look like Jenkins is long for the Rams.

    Janoris Jenkins is a free agent. He spent the first four years of his career with the St. Louis Rams, playing in 60 of a possible 64 games and starting 58 of them. He has 10 interceptions in that time, and he returned a league-leading (tied with William Gay and Aqib Talib) five of them for touchdowns.

    Is he one of the best corners in the league? No. Is he an above-average one? Yeah, probably, especially given his steady improvement over the course of his career. Is he happy with the way his contract negotiations with the now-Los Angeles Rams have gone? Definitely not. Just take a look at his Twitter feed over the last week or so.

    Obviously he was unhappy with whatever offer came from the Rams. And then he reportedly fired his agent. There’s now a five-day waiting period before he can hire another agent, which means any chance of him being retained by the Rams via the franchise tag is likely gone as well, unless Jenkins plans to negotiate that deal himself. If they use the tag at all, it seems likely Trumaine Johnson will be the recipient.

    That means Jenkins will likely hit the open market, and you never know what can happen there. He’s probably one of the top-10 or so cornerbacks available. His propensity to make big plays could garner a big offer, but his gambling nature that also leads him to give up big plays could depress his market if teams decide to go with safer options.

    Agamemnon

    #70351
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Janoris Jenkins fires his agent, during negotiations with Rams
    Posted by Darin Gantt on February 29, 2016, 8:37 AM EDT

    The Rams want to keep both of their free agent cornerbacks, and are expected to use the franchise tag on one of them.

    It might have to be Janoris Jenkins, since he doesn’t have anyone to negotiate for him at the moment.

    According to Gary Klein of the Los Angeles Times, Jenkins has fired his agent. Per NFLPA rules, there’s a five-day window before another agent can be hired. It’s unclear when Jenkins made the switch, starting that clock. His agent is still listed on the union’s website as Malik Hafeez Shareef.

    Ostensibly he could negotiate for himself like Russell Okung, but there hasn’t been any indication he wants to do that.

    With the franchise tag a possibility for either him or cornerback Trumaine Johnson, and with the tag deadline Tuesday, it complicates things for the Rams, and may complicate their efforts to keep both.

    Agamemnon

    #70352
    zn
    Moderator

    The Rams were believed to be offering around $7-8 million annually to Jenkins before he broke off contract negotiations after the team’s Week 6 bye last year.

    He ended up signing for about 12.5 a year, and had a great season.

    So if they hadn’t botched this, they could be paying JJ 12.5 a year instead of paying Tru 16.7 M in 2017.

    I used to argue that I understood them not paying McLeod and Jenkins, because they needed future money for Donald.

    But back when I was saying that, I didn;t know Tru would be tagged for 2 consecutive years with no prospect of signing him to a real contract.

    #70353
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    I hope they don’t screw up Donald. I hope they get it right. You know back then they signed CB for 5m/yr. and ended up cutting him that same year.

    When Watt signed his extension he was the highest paid defensive player at 16.7m/yr. Looks like a bargain now. 😉

    I don’t mind paying when a player out performs his contract. I don’t mind cutting them when they under perform. What is fair is fair. imo

    Agamemnon

    #70354
    Agamemnon
    Moderator


    Tavon is almost as fast as Trung.

    Agamemnon

    #70362
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    they signed CB for 5m/yr. and ended up cutting him that same year.

    On March 14, 2016, Sensabaugh signed a three-year, $15 million contract with the Los Angeles Rams.[5] On October 8, 2016, he was cut by the Rams.[6]

    That cost $6.5M. Money totally wasted.

    Agamemnon

    #70372
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    they totally screwed up the jenkins contract. could they screw the aaron donald contract?

    oh boy. i hope demoff is working on this. seriously need to get their priorities straight.

    for this i think they will.

    #70494
    zn
    Moderator

    I used to argue that I understood them not paying McLeod and Jenkins, because they needed future money for Donald.

    But back when I was saying that, I didn;t know Tru would be tagged for 2 consecutive years with no prospect of signing him to a real contract.

    they totally screwed up the jenkins contract

    Sad comment on all this:

    The NFL’s 10 Best Cornerbacks

    Gary Gramling and Andy Benoit

    http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/26/nfl-best-cornerbacks-patrick-peterson-josh-norman-richard-sherman-chris-harris-aqib-talib

    You’ll probably agree with some of the rankings. Then you’ll be upset about others because they are names that you know with good résumés, and just like Darrelle Revis, cornerbacks always stay exactly as good as they were in previous years.

    Number 10—2:51 – Josh Norman(Redskins)

    Number 9—6:56 – Richard Sherman(Seahawks)

    Number 8—16:41 – Janoris Jenkins(Giants)

    Number 7—17:59 – A.J. Bouye(Jaguars)

    Number 6—20:35 – Xavier Rhodes(Vikings)

    Number 5—22:37 – Desmond Trufant(Falcons)

    Number 4—25:24 – Aqib Talib(Broncos)

    Number 3—31:18 – Marcus Peters(Chiefs)

    Number 2—35:35 – Chris Harris(Broncos)

    Number 1—41:43 – Patrick Peterson(Cardinals)

    *Trumaine Johnson got an honorable mention.*

    #70496
    JackPMiller
    Participant

    The key is going to be the Offensive Line. Need to gel, and stay healthy, especially at Center, and Left Tackle. Both of are starters are old, and are starting Center over the last two years has durability issues. Can’t have Goff running for his life.

    #70500
    zn
    Moderator

    nd are starting Center over the last two years has durability issues.

    What durability issues?

    He had a surgery and missed the 2015 season.

    He was an active backup for Washington in 2016, played on special teams, had some offensive snaps (98 to be exact), and had one start.

    How does one surgery and then a post-surgical year as a back-up become “durability issues”?And he;s not the only lineman drafted in 2008 who is still active. Plus before the surgery in 2015 he missed 3 games in the entire span from 2009 to 2014. So in that span he missed 3 of 96. Actually that includes 48 straight consecutive starts before 2015.

    I can see saying “he missed a year with surgery and is getting up in years (he’s 31).” That would be more balanced than “durability issues.” And yes you want to have someone behind him, but, centers often play for a while.

    And they may draft a center in 2008, or they may find that (as it maybe looks so far) they like Eldrenkamp. Or both.

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