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  • #69000
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    link: http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-notes-sebastian-vollmer-patriots-rams-titans/

    Though Jason Cole of B/R says that the Rams are “pleased with the progress” of QB Jared Goff this offseason, people within the organization is also “extremely pleased” with backup QB Sean Mannion.

    According to Cole, the Rams believe Mannion has improved footwork and reads as a quarterback, while a team source “wouldn’t be surprised” if Los Angeles turns to Mannion if Goff struggles during the regular season.

    #69007
    Agamemnon
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    link: https://www.todayspigskin.com/football-analytics/nfl-statistics-qbs-started-16-games-season/

    Football Analytics

    NFL Statistics: QBs that started all 16 games in a season

    03 January 2016: New England Patriots Quarterback Tom Brady (12) throws the ball during the NFL football game between the New England Patriots and the Miami Dolphins at the Sun Life Stadium in Miami Gardens, Florida.

    If you ever wondered why it is so important for an NFL team to have stability and consistency in their quarterback situation, consider this: Eight of the 11 teams that won 10 or more games last season had quarterbacks that started all 16 of their games in the regular season.

    Last season 17 QBs started every game for their team: Blake Bortles (Jacksonville), Tom Brady (New England), Teddy Bridgewater (Minnesota), Derek Carr (Oakland), Kirk Cousins (Washington), Ryan Fitzpatrick (N.Y. Jets), Eli Manning (N.Y. Giants), Cam Newton (Carolina), Carson Palmer (Arizona), Philip Rivers (San Diego), Aaron Rodgers (Green Bay), Matt Ryan (Atlanta), Alex Smith (Kansas City), Matthew Stafford (Detroit), Ryan Tannehill (Miami), Russell Wilson (Seattle) and Jameis Winston (Tampa Bay).

    Here’s another great stat to ponder: The win-loss record of the 17 teams that started the same QB for all 16 games in 2015 was 150-122 (a .551 winning percentage). Those teams that started more than one QB last season were a combined 106-134 (.442 winning percentage). Again, QB stability and consistency does make a difference.

    Starting all 16 games in a season is nothing new to a trio of NFL quarterbacks. Atlanta’s Matt Ryan has now started all 16 games for the Falcons in six straight seasons. That, however, is nowhere near the current active streak for most seasons starting at QB for a team. San Diego’s Philip Rivers has now gone 10 straight seasons starting all 16 games in a season for the Chargers. The current leader is Eli Manning who has been the Giants starting QB for all 16 games in 11 straight seasons. Eli has started all 16 games since 2005. In fact, the Giants had Kerry Collins start all 16 of their games in a season each year from 2000-02, but then went two campaigns with multiple starting QBs in a season before Manning started his streak in 2005.

    The Giants are one of three teams that have started the same QB in all 16 games in a season for 14 of the last 16 seasons… since 2000. The other two teams are the Indianapolis Colts and New England Patriots. Here’s a breakdown of how many seasons since 2000 that each team has had one QB start all 16 games in a season.

    14: Indianapolis, New England, N.Y. Jets
    13: Green Bay, San Diego
    12: New Orleans
    10: Cincinnati
    9: Baltimore, Detroit
    8: Atlanta, Carolina, N.Y. Jets
    7: Denver, Houston, San Francisco, Seattle
    6: Buffalo, Dallas, Kansas City, Miami, Minnesota, Tampa Bay
    5: Arizona, Oakland, Pittsburgh
    4: Jacksonville, Philadelphia, St. Louis
    3: Washington
    2: Chicago, Tennessee
    1: Cleveland

    It should come as no surprise that the Browns, last on the above list, have the fewest wins over the last 16 years. At the other end, of the six teams (Green Bay, Indianapolis, New England, New Orleans, N.Y. Giants and San Diego) that had 12 or more seasons since 2000 starting the same QB in all 16 games, won nine Super Bowls since that 2000 season. Secondly, of these six teams, five rank in the Top 10 of most wins since 2000 (San Diego is the only one not in the Top 10; they rank 11th).

    Cleveland, which has had 24 different starting QBs since 2000, has not had the same QB start all 16 games in a season since Tim Couch in 2001.

    One final stat: Of the 16 Super Bowl winners since the 2000 season, nine went the whole year in their Super Bowl winning season with the same QB starting all 16 regular season contests. Last year’s Super Bowl champs, the Denver Broncos, had Peyton Manning start nine games and Brock Osweiler start seven.

    The only way Mannion plays is if Goff gets hurt.

    Agamemnon

    #69012
    zn
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    The only way Mannion plays is if Goff gets hurt.

    Maybe. But I believe them when they say that if Goff struggles (for a stretch) they will replace him.

    It’s nice to have 2 qbs.

    #69016
    Agamemnon
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    Maybe. But I believe them when they say that if Goff struggles (for a stretch) they will replace him.

    It’s nice to have 2 qbs.

    I guess we would have to define struggle. btw, here is an article about this exact subject.

    Don't expect Sean Mannion to start for Rams unless Jared Goff is hurt

    While a widely shared report released yesterday explained the Los Angeles Rams could start quarterback Sean Mannion, don’t believe it.

    The post acknowledged people within the organization are impressed with the progress the recent No. 1 overall pick has made this offseason. But even though it also mentions backup quarterback Sean Mannion made strides, take it with a grain of salt.

    Even if Mannion has improved his footwork, the anonymous source does not convince that struggles from Goff will lead to Mannion becoming a starter in 2017.

    Former NFL quarterback Sage Rosenfels recently spoke to Rams head coach Sean McVay about the development of Goff (via The Score):

    According to McVay, Goff has a lot of the same characteristics as Cousins and Ryan. He can make the same throws, shows the level of toughness required, absorbs and translates information easily, and has a yearning to be coached. This has me looking forward to Goff’s second season. Coaching and offensive style have a huge influence on a quarterback’s ability to succeed. Based off Goff’s physical and mental talents, Rams fans should be excited for the future of their team.

    Rams general manager Les Snead has also given high praise about Goff, adding he has exceeded expectations. New quarterback coach Matt LaFleur was also quoted complimenting the young gunslinger.

    The same sentiment has not been shared publicly about Mannion. Last year, Mannion came in to replace an injured Goff and did not impress whatsoever. It feels unlikely the Rams would change quarterbacks midseason two years in a row.

    If the Rams decide to bench their former No. 1 overall pick, it would be an incredible blow to his confidence. In fact, it could be bad enough that it may not make sense to bring him back again — even if Mannion struggled worse.

    Next season, despite any reports you’ve read, only expect Mannion to play if Goff is injured. If the organization deems Goff a failure then the solution would be through the draft, not a backup.

    This subject is too complex to accurately project from a keyboard and it involves a lot of subjective opinions. So, I went with the simple stuff.

    Agamemnon

    #69017
    sanbagger
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    The post acknowledged people within the organization are impressed with the progress the recent No. 1 overall pick has made this offseason. But even though it also mentions backup quarterback Sean Mannion made strides, take it with a grain of salt

    I could not agree more…I even doubt the validity of that article.

    IMO, it’s a moot point anyway as I have always believed Goff surpassed Manion last year as the superior QB…even with his struggles.

    #69020
    zn
    zn
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    The same sentiment has not been shared publicly about Mannion. Last year, Mannion came in to replace an injured Goff and did not impress whatsoever.

    Of course not…you don’t do that. That would be creating a qb controversy. The focus when it comes to the press is Goff as the starter and as the #1 pick and the guy they traded up for. There would be something wrong with lavishing the same level of praise on Mannion (assuming it’s deserved).

    But, no, IF (big if) Goff struggles they would be wrongheaded not to bench him. The RamsWire blogitorial did not change my mind about that. In fact I think the blogitorialist just has a blindspot when it comes to Mannion.

    Either way, it is good to know Mannion is coming along, because as you say, if Jared gets hurt, then, it’s nice to know they have something viable in Sean.

    It would make sense for Mannion to be showing something in his 3rd year since he came from a pro system, which put him ahead of Goff in terms of development.

    IF, however, the blogitorialist’s assumption that Mannion isn;t any good is correct(and I don’t buy that), then, the Rams would have been wrong not to open up competition at the #2 spot. They’re not even bothering with that. It’s Goff, Mannion, and camp arms.

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