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February 20, 2018 at 10:25 pm #82942
wvParticipantThe pro-Hillary-Media continues the smear campaigns against the left…
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February 20, 2018 at 11:36 pm #82945Billy_TParticipantThanks, WV.
That was one of Dore’s best. And Jill Stein kicked butt.
I can’t believe they had that headline underneath the host that whole time. No, the Mueller indictment didn’t say Stein was a Russian tool. Sheesh. I loved that she also said that votes didn’t belong to Clinton in the first place. I’ve mentioned that all too often in my battles with her bots. It never seems to register with centrist Dems.
My only quibble with Dore in this one is that he labels MSNBC as “the left.” They aren’t. They’ve never been. They have a couple of center-left hosts on in Prime Time, but their daytime news shows are decidedly center-right. That particular daytime host is decidedly center-right. They’re owned and operated by Comcast, a conservative corporation, which installed a conservative (Andy Lack) to run the network. He, not so long ago, purged it of several hosts who espoused center-left views, and added conservative Republicans to the lineup like Hugh Hewitt and Nicole Wallace.
Anyway . . . a minor quibble overall, especially cuz it was very well done otherwise.
February 21, 2018 at 11:17 am #82955
ZooeyParticipantWell, MSNBC is The Left as far as the MSM is concerned. Off the charts leftie. Dore knows perfectly well they aren’t the left. The entire bit is ripping MSNBC.
February 21, 2018 at 11:52 am #82957Billy_TParticipantWell, MSNBC is The Left as far as the MSM is concerned. Off the charts leftie. Dore knows perfectly well they aren’t the left. The entire bit is ripping MSNBC.
MSNBC deserves all the ripping he gives them, and more. Much more. And I hope you’re right and that he knows they’re not “the left.” But I didn’t hear him say that, at least in that video.
To me, the reason why this is important, and why real lefties shouldn’t “go there,” is because it echoes right-wing framing and narratives from the last few decades on up to the present. The main gist of that framing and those echoes is that the Democrats are “far left,” and when they propose and/or implement their policies, and they fail, it’s a failure of “the left” . . . even the “far left,” even though all of us here know the Dems propose and/or implement centrist to center-right stuff, predominantly.
I’ve argued in the past, for instance, that Clinton and Obama governed from the center-right on most issues, and this has often left right-wingers gobsmacked. They’re convinced that both presidents, and the Dems in general, are “far left,” if not flaming commies. I’ll present a list of center-right stuff they’ve pushed/done and it still doesn’t seem to register. The narrative of Maolist, Marxist, Commie Dems is too strong for them to get past.
. . . .
Anyway, to make a long story short, folks like Dore obviously don’t go to that extreme. But when he talks about “people on the left” attacking him, he’s unwittingly helping the right-wing frame. He’s really being attacked by Clinton bots who at best are corporate centrists, and more than a few, true conservatives. I think it also weakens the already fading chances of an actual left to fight back and oppose the center, the center-right and the far-right.
Just my take. It’s tough enough to be a leftist in America. We don’t need to add to our struggles by blaming portions of our side of the political/philosophical aisle for stuff we don’t even do.
February 21, 2018 at 9:45 pm #82965wvParticipantWell, MSNBC is The Left as far as the MSM is concerned. Off the charts leftie. Dore knows perfectly well they aren’t the left. The entire bit is ripping MSNBC.
MSNBC deserves all the ripping he gives them, and more. Much more. And I hope you’re right and that he knows they’re not “the left.” But I didn’t hear him say that, at least in that video.
To me, the reason why this is important, and why real lefties shouldn’t “go there,” is because it echoes right-wing framing and narratives from the last few decades on up to the present. The main gist of that framing and those echoes is that the Democrats are “far left,” and when they propose and/or implement their policies, and they fail, it’s a failure of “the left” . . . even the “far left,” even though all of us here know the Dems propose and/or implement centrist to center-right stuff, predominantly.
I’ve argued in the past, for instance, that Clinton and Obama governed from the center-right on most issues, and this has often left right-wingers gobsmacked. They’re convinced that both presidents, and the Dems in general, are “far left,” if not flaming commies. I’ll present a list of center-right stuff they’ve pushed/done and it still doesn’t seem to register. The narrative of Maolist, Marxist, Commie Dems is too strong for them to get past.
. . . .
Anyway, to make a long story short, folks like Dore obviously don’t go to that extreme. But when he talks about “people on the left” attacking him, he’s unwittingly helping the right-wing frame. He’s really being attacked by Clinton bots who at best are corporate centrists, and more than a few, true conservatives. I think it also weakens the already fading chances of an actual left to fight back and oppose the center, the center-right and the far-right.
Just my take. It’s tough enough to be a leftist in America. We don’t need to add to our struggles by blaming portions of our side of the political/philosophical aisle for stuff we don’t even do.
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BT, not that its an important point, but, trust me, Dore knows that MSNBC is not really ‘left’. He was just being ironic, etc. I watch him enough to know 🙂
…on an unrelated tangent, I watched a bit of a long interview between Dore and Rogan a few days ago. Dore said he has a bone disease where his bones have been kinda disintegrating. He said he used to be two inches taller. He said he thought about suicide for a while.
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vFebruary 22, 2018 at 6:16 am #82972Billy_TParticipantWell, MSNBC is The Left as far as the MSM is concerned. Off the charts leftie. Dore knows perfectly well they aren’t the left. The entire bit is ripping MSNBC.
MSNBC deserves all the ripping he gives them, and more. Much more. And I hope you’re right and that he knows they’re not “the left.” But I didn’t hear him say that, at least in that video.
To me, the reason why this is important, and why real lefties shouldn’t “go there,” is because it echoes right-wing framing and narratives from the last few decades on up to the present. The main gist of that framing and those echoes is that the Democrats are “far left,” and when they propose and/or implement their policies, and they fail, it’s a failure of “the left” . . . even the “far left,” even though all of us here know the Dems propose and/or implement centrist to center-right stuff, predominantly.
I’ve argued in the past, for instance, that Clinton and Obama governed from the center-right on most issues, and this has often left right-wingers gobsmacked. They’re convinced that both presidents, and the Dems in general, are “far left,” if not flaming commies. I’ll present a list of center-right stuff they’ve pushed/done and it still doesn’t seem to register. The narrative of Maoist, Marxist, Commie Dems is too strong for them to get past.
. . . .
Anyway, to make a long story short, folks like Dore obviously don’t go to that extreme. But when he talks about “people on the left” attacking him, he’s unwittingly helping the right-wing frame. He’s really being attacked by Clinton bots who at best are corporate centrists, and more than a few, true conservatives. I think it also weakens the already fading chances of an actual left to fight back and oppose the center, the center-right and the far-right.
Just my take. It’s tough enough to be a leftist in America. We don’t need to add to our struggles by blaming portions of our side of the political/philosophical aisle for stuff we don’t even do.
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BT, not that its an important point, but, trust me, Dore knows that MSNBC is not really ‘left’. He was just being ironic, etc. I watch him enough to know 🙂
…on an unrelated tangent, I watched a bit of a long interview between Dore and Rogan a few days ago. Dore said he has a bone disease where his bones have been kinda disintegrating. He said he used to be two inches taller. He said he thought about suicide for a while.
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vI missed the irony/sarcasm. Should have known, cuz he’s a comedian, etc.
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Sorry to hear about his illness. He’s obviously a fighter and courageous, doing what he does. My cancer is bone deep too. I think I may have lost a bit of height, but can’t be sure if it’s the cancer or just getting older. I should ask the oncologist.
February 22, 2018 at 8:23 am #82976wvParticipantAaron Mate vs an ex-CIA agent on Russiagate. ( They both miss the point, to me) :
February 22, 2018 at 8:40 am #82978wvParticipantNoam on russia-gate. I agree with his view. He brings in the critical context.
Yeltsin for example.February 22, 2018 at 8:49 am #82979wvParticipantMore Noam on the russia-thing. See handles the question exactly the way i like 🙂
He goes right to the big-picture. The context. The hypocrisy of focusing on the russia thing…
February 22, 2018 at 9:11 am #82980wvParticipantRussiagate or Deep State?
By John Feffer
Source: Foreign Policy in Focus
Znet:https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/russiagate-or-deep-state/
———————This is an interesting article. I did not agree with the author but he lists a lot of the russia-gate skeptics and tries to sum up their arguments. I especially didnt agree with the way he handled this part of his argument:
“…Then there’s the argument that Russia wasn’t doing anything that the United States hadn’t done over the years. It’s certainly true that the United States has engaged in such conduct. So? It has also been involved in the assassination of foreign figures. Would that justify another country taking out the U.S. president? Do U.S. regime-change efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq justify another power taking over Washington DC and setting up a puppet government?
It’s always useful to point out U.S. hypocrisy. But this should be done in order to reform U.S. policy — not to excuse other countries for acting in similarly reprehensible ways.
Finally, let’s talk about the so-called Deep State….”
I think that just totally minimizes what the US has done. I dont think a simple “So?” really works there. I could go on… 🙂
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vFebruary 22, 2018 at 3:28 pm #82983Billy_TParticipantNoam on russia-gate. I agree with his view. He brings in the critical context.
Yeltsin for example.The host created a logic hole big enough to drive a battleship through for 99% of that video. He spent a couple of seconds at the very end, shrinking it an iota. But the damage was already done. He also made a claim early on that just isn’t true at all. He said the media didn’t cover the emails. Actually, study after study said it was the MOST covered item during the entire campaign season. No other event received more coverage. Does that mean it tossed the election to Clinton? Who knows? I think Clinton lost because she was a terrible candidate, couldn’t connect with Americans, was disliked by too many people, ran a terrible campaign, and the Dems turned their backs on the working class forty plus years ago. But things like Comey’s last second reopening of the investigation — while hiding the fact he was also investigating Trump — likely played a part in such a close election.
But, back to that logic hole: Noam — a national treasure — seemed to miss this, as did the host. They both claimed that the Dems were driving us to World War III, by focusing on Russia — which strikes me as the real “hysteria” in this case — because they have the nerve to want the Mueller probe to continue without Trump’s interference. Trump, Noam claims, is supposedly deescalating tensions with Russia, while the Dems egg them on, even though Trump (and the host) list the stuff that is going on NOW that is edging us closer to war.
So which is it? Is Trump deescalating or escalating? He can’t be doing both. And, in case they need the reminder, the Republicans run the show, not the Dems. Republicans call the shots on foreign and domestic policy, not the Dems. Republicans also run the FBI, the CIA, the entire Intel apparatus, and Defense. Noam and the host seem to be under the impression that the GOP gives a shit what the Dems think. They don’t. They never do. Nothing the Dems say is going to alter GOP policy with regard to Russia, and I also think Noam and the host wildly exaggerate the “focus” on Russia coming from the Dems, and apparently ONLY the Dems.
On this issue, I just don’t get the way they see things. At all.
February 22, 2018 at 4:42 pm #82984
znModeratorI think, instead, that there’s a type of hypocrisy that consists NOT acknowledging the Russia thing.
I am never guilt-tripped by the “we did it too” routine. Yeah I know, and I spent time in the 80s for example drawing attention to all that. Iran, Chile, El Salvador, Nicaragua….
I still abide by this take:
For the American left, of course for them only American imperialism exists, yes? I can’t understand it. . . . In Russia, there are a lot of leftists who also believe that Russia is the main evil in the world, it’s a reactionary empire, and it should be destroyed. Or, at the same time, you have a lot of leftists who believe somehow Russia is resisting American imperialism [and] who support these “republics” in the East of Ukraine.
But you have a huge provincialization of the left as a whole because they can’t even understand each other and every leftist community, they believe in their own national reality. And that’s why they can be so easily manipulated.
February 22, 2018 at 5:01 pm #82985
joemadParticipant$6B in free TV media / airtime for D.T.
that’s beyond Dr. Evil ransom money, that’s 9 zeros people……. $6,000,000,000
That Dore guy is kinda funny, I never would’ve heard of him if it wasn’t for this place….
February 22, 2018 at 5:41 pm #82987Billy_TParticipantI think, instead, that there’s a type of hypocrisy that consists NOT acknowledging the Russia thing.
I am never guilt-tripped by the “we did it too” routine. Yeah I know, and I spent time in the 80s for example drawing attention to all that. Iran, Chile, El Salvador, Nicaragua….
I still abide by this take:
For the American left, of course for them only American imperialism exists, yes? I can’t understand it. . . . In Russia, there are a lot of leftists who also believe that Russia is the main evil in the world, it’s a reactionary empire, and it should be destroyed. Or, at the same time, you have a lot of leftists who believe somehow Russia is resisting American imperialism [and] who support these “republics” in the East of Ukraine.
But you have a huge provincialization of the left as a whole because they can’t even understand each other and every leftist community, they believe in their own national reality. And that’s why they can be so easily manipulated.
I’m a bit confused by the focus on hypocrisy as well in this case, and what they want us to do to rid the land of that. Or, is it their view that it can never be purged? That would be my guess, given the history of our imperialism. But if they do think we can gain a kind of redemption of sorts, if we just shut up about Russia, I’d really like to know who would benefit from this, aside from the people who feel the tug of guilt in this case. The vast majority of the nation doesn’t, and I can’t see how shutting up about Russia makes one single life better here.
Will it help the working class, the poor, minorities, women? Will it help the planet? No. Not in the slightest. Shutting up about Russia means we’re very likely to get hacked again, including voting registration databases, and maybe this time they’ll alter things instead of just looking around. Shutting up about Russia means we’re likely to see an even greater influx of bots and fake news in our social media systems, and even more attempts to stir up racial tensions, white supremacist groups, alt-right gun nut groups, etc. etc.
Frankly, I’m not worried about tensions with Russia due to the probe and any kind of focus on what they’ve done and will do. But I am worried about tensions here as a result of what they’ve done and will do. America and Russia aren’t going to go to war. They weren’t going to go to war if Clinton had won, either. Why? Cuz, unlike other nations Trump has threatened militarily — Venezuela, Mexico, Yemen, Syria, Iran, North Korea — we understand that Russia/America are locked in a guaranteed mutual destruction scenario. It aint gonna happen.
Again, I think the use of the word “hysteria” is misplaced in this case. IMO, it’s in the narrative that says if we don’t stop talking about Russian interference, we’re going to have WWIII. Frankly, I’m betting Putin couldn’t care less about the probe and the “focus” on his machinations here and in Europe. He probably even likes the attention.
February 22, 2018 at 5:50 pm #82988Billy_TParticipant$6B in free TV media / airtime for D.T.
that’s beyond Dr. Evil ransom money, that’s 9 zeros people……. $6,000,000,000
That Dore guy is kinda funny, I never would’ve heard of him if it wasn’t for this place….
That is crazy, Joemad.
The media helped create Trump decades ago. He faked it until he made it, with their help. And it’s a major reason for his win.
Bigger picture: the fact that our MSM simply won’t give the time of day to anyone outside the two major parties, and is all too reluctant to give a minute to lefty outliers, even if they run as Dems. We don’t have more options because the powers that be don’t want us to have them. The illusion of choice, but not its actuality. Kinda like our rows and rows of “different” sugary cereals in the grocery store.
The Hurt LockerFebruary 22, 2018 at 6:25 pm #82992wvParticipantI think, instead, that there’s a type of hypocrisy that consists NOT acknowledging the Russia thing.
I am never guilt-tripped by the “we did it too” routine. Yeah I know, and I spent time in the 80s for example drawing attention to all that. Iran, Chile, El Salvador, Nicaragua….
I still abide by this take:
For the American left, of course for them only American imperialism exists, yes? I can’t understand it. . . . In Russia, there are a lot of leftists who also believe that Russia is the main evil in the world, it’s a reactionary empire, and it should be destroyed. Or, at the same time, you have a lot of leftists who believe somehow Russia is resisting American imperialism [and] who support these “republics” in the East of Ukraine.
But you have a huge provincialization of the left as a whole because they can’t even understand each other and every leftist community, they believe in their own national reality. And that’s why they can be so easily manipulated.
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Well, I’m glad you are not “guilt tripped” but i dont know anyone who is trying to “guilt trip” you. I mean this has zero to do with ‘guilt tripping’. Thats the kind of thing “X” said when we brought up racism and stuff.
Its not about “guilt tripping” — its about hypocrisy. (not ‘yours) The hypocrisy of the MSM and the US Government. There is a concerted, conscious Media-Blitzkrieg going on over the ‘russian interference’. And not a peep about the billions and billions spent by the US to interfere in a gazillion nations politix.
Its possibly the biggest hypocrisy-fest Ive ever seen in my life.
So, its not about ‘individual posters guilt’. Its about MSM/government MASSIVE hypocrisy.
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vFebruary 22, 2018 at 6:34 pm #82993wvParticipantI think, instead, that there’s a type of hypocrisy that consists NOT acknowledging the Russia thing.
I am never guilt-tripped by the “we did it too” routine. Yeah I know, and I spent time in the 80s for example drawing attention to all that. Iran, Chile, El Salvador, Nicaragua….
I still abide by this take:
For the American left, of course for them only American imperialism exists, yes? I can’t understand it. . . . In Russia, there are a lot of leftists who also believe that Russia is the main evil in the world, it’s a reactionary empire, and it should be destroyed. Or, at the same time, you have a lot of leftists who believe somehow Russia is resisting American imperialism [and] who support these “republics” in the East of Ukraine.
But you have a huge provincialization of the left as a whole because they can’t even understand each other and every leftist community, they believe in their own national reality. And that’s why they can be so easily manipulated.
I’m a bit confused by the focus on hypocrisy as well in this case, and what they want us to do to rid the land of that. Or, is it their view that it can never be purged? That would be my guess, given the history of our imperialism. But if they do think we can gain a kind of redemption of sorts, if we just shut up about Russia, I’d really like to know who would benefit from this, aside from the people who feel the tug of guilt in this case. The vast majority of the nation doesn’t, and I can’t see how shutting up about Russia makes one single life better here.
Will it help the working class, the poor, minorities, women? Will it help the planet? No. Not in the slightest. Shutting up about Russia means we’re very likely to get hacked again, including voting registration databases, and maybe this time they’ll alter things instead of just looking around. Shutting up about Russia means we’re likely to see an even greater influx of bots and fake news in our social media systems, and even more attempts to stir up racial tensions, white supremacist groups, alt-right gun nut groups, etc. etc.
Frankly, I’m not worried about tensions with Russia due to the probe and any kind of focus on what they’ve done and will do. But I am worried about tensions here as a result of what they’ve done and will do. America and Russia aren’t going to go to war. They weren’t going to go to war if Clinton had won, either. Why? Cuz, unlike other nations Trump has threatened militarily — Venezuela, Mexico, Yemen, Syria, Iran, North Korea — we understand that Russia/America are locked in a guaranteed mutual destruction scenario. It aint gonna happen.
Again, I think the use of the word “hysteria” is misplaced in this case. IMO, it’s in the narrative that says if we don’t stop talking about Russian interference, we’re going to have WWIII. Frankly, I’m betting Putin couldn’t care less about the probe and the “focus” on his machinations here and in Europe. He probably even likes the attention.
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I dont think its about “shutting up about russia”.
I think its about two things:
1) PROVING the case against russia. (and i dont think ‘much’ has been PROVEN)
2) Putting the russian-thing IN CONTEXT.
Ie, think about Rachel Maddow. She goes on and on and on and on about the Russia thing. Hillary calls it a ‘cyber-9-11’. Politicians call it a “Pearl Harbor” and “an act of war”. Etc.
And yet not a PEEP about the billions and billions spent over the decades BY the US on SERIOUS interference in other nations Politix. WAAAY more serious than blog posts and facebook ads.It surprises we dont agree on this, but its no big deal 🙂
…I’m real inter ested in this ‘issue’ for whatever reason. I’ll move on eventually. Just ignore me 🙂
Greenwald fwiw:https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/a-consensus-emerges/
“…in the U.S., something of a consensus has arisen in the political and media class (with some notable exceptions) that these actions not only constitute an “act of war” against the U.S., but one so grave that it is tantamount to Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Indeed, that Russia’s alleged “meddling” is comparable to the two most devastating attacks in U.S. history has, overnight, become a virtual cliché.
The claim that Russian meddling in the election is “an act of war” comparable to these events isn’t brand new. Senators from both parties, such as Republican John McCain and Democrat Jeanne Shaheen, have long described Russian meddling in 2016 as an “act of war.” Hillary Clinton, while promoting her book last October, described Russia’s alleged hacking of the DNC and John Podesta’s email inbox as a “cyber 9/11.” And last February, the always-war-hungry Tom Friedman of the New York Times said on Morning Joe that Russian hacking “was a 9/11 scale event. They attacked the core of our democracy. That was a Pearl Harbor scale event.”…see link
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vFebruary 22, 2018 at 6:46 pm #82994wvParticipantA quote I came across today, fwiw. When i see what the MSM/Goverment is doing these days regarding russia…this is the quote i think about:
“…Chomsky explored the laser-like focus many intellectuals had for the crimes of opposite states in his 1992 book Deterring Democracy. ‘Fame, Fortune and Respect await those who reveal the crimes of official enemies,’ he noted, while ‘those who undertake the vastly more important task of raising a mirror to their own societies can expect quite different treatment.’…”
February 22, 2018 at 7:33 pm #82998Billy_TParticipantI dont think its about “shutting up about russia”.
I think its about two things:
1) PROVING the case against russia. (and i dont think ‘much’ has been PROVEN)
2) Putting the russian-thing IN CONTEXT.
Ie, think about Rachel Maddow. She goes on and on and on and on about the Russia thing. Hillary calls it a ‘cyber-9-11’. Politicians call it a “Pearl Harbor” and “an act of war”. Etc.
And yet not a PEEP about the billions and billions spent over the decades BY the US on SERIOUS interference in other nations Politix. WAAAY more serious than blog posts and facebook ads.It surprises we dont agree on this, but its no big deal 🙂
…I’m real inter ested in this ‘issue’ for whatever reason. I’ll move on eventually. Just ignore me 🙂
Greenwald fwiw:https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/a-consensus-emerges/
“…in the U.S., something of a consensus has arisen in the political and media class (with some notable exceptions) that these actions not only constitute an “act of war” against the U.S., but one so grave that it is tantamount to Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Indeed, that Russia’s alleged “meddling” is comparable to the two most devastating attacks in U.S. history has, overnight, become a virtual cliché.
The claim that Russian meddling in the election is “an act of war” comparable to these events isn’t brand new. Senators from both parties, such as Republican John McCain and Democrat Jeanne Shaheen, have long described Russian meddling in 2016 as an “act of war.” Hillary Clinton, while promoting her book last October, described Russia’s alleged hacking of the DNC and John Podesta’s email inbox as a “cyber 9/11.” And last February, the always-war-hungry Tom Friedman of the New York Times said on Morning Joe that Russian hacking “was a 9/11 scale event. They attacked the core of our democracy. That was a Pearl Harbor scale event.”…see link
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vI think we actually agree about a lot of stuff pertaining to this, especially the context . . . the history of our own meddling, coups, covert and overt wars, expansion of empire, etc. etc. As in, our imperialism. Our atrocities on the way to becoming the hegemon, and staying there. And we definitely should “hold a mirror up to ourselves” regarding all of that. I’m with you and NC there. No question.
And, if I thought the accusations against Russia and the probe were bogus, I’d be outraged about the entire thing. But I think that it’s mostly true, and that what we read in the NYT, the WaPo, the Guardian, etc. is pretty close to what is publicly knowable on the subject at this point. I think that we’ve had enough hearings and enough consensus, even from Trump appointees, to lend it credence. Not every last bit, of course. But most of it. Which, to me, means the probe is a legit thing and it’s important to let it proceed without interference.
Another place where we’re on the same page: I definitely think it’s stupid and wrong to call what Russia did “an act of war.” It’s actually highly irresponsible. So the few people who have said that, or things like it? Yeah, they deserve the term “hysteria.” But where I part with some of the people you’ve posted is that I just don’t see that from more than a tiny few — and, again, I watch, read and listen to waaay more of this shit than is good for me. I’m just not seeing the pervasiveness of this kind of “focus” as some of your videos portray. In short, I think it’s exaggerated. But, yeah, anyone who tries to compare this with Pearl Harbor is nutz.
More on this in the next post.
February 22, 2018 at 7:55 pm #82999Billy_TParticipantA quick pre-pre-post: Russia-gate doesn’t rank in my top ten most important issues. In no particular order, I’d put gun violence, the environment, education, health care, economic inequality, the despicable nature of capitalism, the need for real democracy and human rights, the arts and the Rams ahead of it. But I still want Mueller and company to get to the bottom of it, and for us to harden our election system.
And I want our social media platforms to do away with bots, at least. It’s not difficult. On my own site, I use software that can distinguish between human and robot traffic, in real time, provide IP addresses, nation of origin, time stamps, etc. etc. Twitter, Facebook, et al, have billions and billions of extra dollars to spend. They could easily limit accounts to actual humans, and they definitely should.
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