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May 12, 2017 at 9:07 pm #68701InvaderRamModerator
i was over at the herd lurking. found this little tidbit on toth very interesting.
http://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,555898,555955#msg-555955
From PFF: “John Toth capped a fine career at Kentucky will a brilliant display in his postseason All-Star game. He was easily the most impressive lineman on the South squad, flashing impressive athleticism on inside zone-rushing plays in particular. Toth’s movement skills enable him to make blocks in space. He looks comfortable in the screen game or when required to cut off linebackers at the second level. Although those particular plays caught the eye, Saturday proved a complete display. Toth’s strength was also evident as he continuously widened lanes on solo blocks in-line.”
i believe kromer runs an inside zone-rushing scheme, no?
May 12, 2017 at 9:12 pm #68703znModeratorJon Toth, C from Kentucky. Rookie tryout.
6’5″
307LBS.Toth (pronounced TOETH) is a bit of Renaissance Man, a mechanical engineering major and fluent Spanish-speaker who just happens to have been one of the top centers in college football the past couple of seasons. He redshirted in his first year in Lexington, played as a back-up in the first game of his freshman season, and then started the next 48 games in the pivot over the next four years. Toth was a SEC All-Freshman squad selection in 2013, and capped his career with a first-team all-conference effort in 2016, helping the Wildcats get to their first bowl game since 2010.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Four-year starter in competitive SEC. Good size and bulk. Understands his physical limitations and plays to his strengths. Fits into blocks with good body control and at a leveraged strike position. Unlocks hips at contact on down blocks to pin defender and present a running lane. Generates power from his lower half. Held his own against formidable Alabama defensive front. Utilizes efficient, compact punch. Has good hand strength to snatch and engage. Operates with plus hand placement, and willing to re-set hands to improve positioning when necessary. Able to control shoulder and steer opponent away from the hole. Good arm length for a center. Looks for work in pass protection and has enough anchor to thwart a bull rush.
WEAKNESSES Marginal athlete. Plays with heavy feet and below-average lateral quickness. Could struggle with sudden redirects inside to catch blitzers and twisters. Struggles to mirror athletic, interior rushers in pass pro. Labors to recover once beaten. Snap-to-step quickness is very average. Effectiveness wanes beyond line of scrimmage. Has some hip stiffness which causes him to rely on leaning over bending. A little slow in his climb to second level.
DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 6-7
BOTTOM LINE Toth is a tough, four-year starter. Will appeal to teams looking for centers who can operate in a power-based rushing scheme. While he’s better in a phone booth than on the move, he understands his limitations and does a good job of staying within himself. He’s not the best athlete at the position but his size, arm length, strength and consistency should outweigh that on the next level. Toth has the traits and ability to be an eventual starter in the NFL.
-Lance Zierlein
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/jon-toth?id=2557849May 12, 2017 at 9:13 pm #68704znModeratorfrom alyoshamucci
[Initially] I was surprised they didn’t go after Toth or Orlovsky.
Toth was tied with Rouiller for me …
Big kid, heavy hands. I’m a fan of letting him, Mcmeans, and Eldrenkamp battle it out for the backup and groom spot
May 12, 2017 at 9:28 pm #68707InvaderRamModeratorhe sounds like a kromer type center. but that should be obvious i guess cuz they signed him. i’m hopeful for him as a developmental player.
i remember reading about him before the draft.
May 12, 2017 at 9:33 pm #68711znModerator–
Jon Toth grades highest on South Senior Bowl team
Jon Toth improved his stock in Mobile, Alabama this week.http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/jon-toth-grades-highest-on-south-senior-bowl-team/
Kentucky offensive lineman Jon Toth was the highest graded offensive player on the Reese’s Senior Bowl’s winning South team according to Pro Football Focus. He received a grade of 81.8 on a scale to 100.
"C Jon Toth capped a fine career at Kentucky will a brilliant display in his postseason All Star game." #SeniorBowl
— PFF College Football (@PFF_College) January 29, 2017
Toth played center and offensive guard during the 16-15 victory. Most reports indicate that he improved throughout the week of practices. He is currently considered a mid-round pick by most outlets.
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Walters
Jon Toth, C, Kentucky
Height: 6-4. Weight: 308. Arm: 33.13. Hand: 10.
40 Time: 5.51.
Projected Round (2017): 3-5.
Rank: 2
4/25/17: Toth had a fine senior season and career at Kentucky. He started 47 straight games and was a big part of the Wildcats having a team average of 5.5 yards per carry in 2016. Toth has good size to be a center in the NFL and enough athleticism. He turned in a decent week at the Senior Bowl. Toth has strength in his base and developed technique.http://walterfootball.com/draft2017C.php#SIdKrB27kVW9wryC.99
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2017/C
CBS: ranked 6th
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https://www.si.com/2017-nfl-draft-rankings-centers
SI: 5th
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PFF: 4th
https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl-draft-center-rankings/
The PFF analysis team breaks down the prospects of Kentucky’s Jon Toth ahead of the 2017 NFL Draft.
Stats to know: Graded better in 2015 than 2016. Allowed a sack, two QB hits and seven QB hurries in 2016. Finished with his lowest pass-blocking grade in 2016.
What he does best:
Stout, powerful frame.
High ceiling, somewhat raw and unrefined.
Shows good blocking demeanor on most blocks (looks the part).
Executed Kentucky’s inside zone scheme well.
Posted the top run-blocking grade among interior offensive linemen during both Senior Bowl practice and in the game.
Committed only two penalties in all of 2016 and only nine over the last three years.
Biggest concern:Will lose on initial contact and gets steered by the defensive tackle in the run game.
Gets overextended a bit much and loses balance.
Comes to a stop to hit at 2L. Is this coaching or lack of skill?
Wasn’t asked to extend himself much within Kentucky’s scheme. Raises questions about versatility at the next level.
Grading took a step back in 2016 after two strong seasons in 2014 and 2015.
Bottom line: Toth was not challenged in Kentucky’s scheme, but he executed it well, even with a step back in his grading in 2016. He has the power and frame to be a solid run-blocker, though he may be limited to more of a downhill scheme rather than one that heavily feature outside zone. He has potential to develop into a starter.—
May 12, 2017 at 9:36 pm #68713znModeratorBrugler on Toth
JON TOTH | Kentucky 6047|307 lbs|5SR Indianapolis, Ind. (Brebeuf Jesuit) 2/11/1994 (age 23)
GRADE 6th Round
BACKGROUND: A two-star offensive tackle recruit out of high school, Jonathan “Jon” Toth was an all-state lineman at Brefeuf Jesuit and received a scholarship offer from Kentucky after his performance at a football camp. He committed to the Wildcats, who were his only offer from a non-MAC program. After redshirting in 2012, Toth practiced at left tackle as a true freshman before moving inside to center in the second game of the year, starting the final 11 games of the 2013 season and earning SEC All-Freshman honors. He started all 24 games at center during his sophomore and junior seasons. Toth had his best year as a senior in 2016, starting all 13 games at center and earning Second Team All-SEC honors. He accepted his invitation to the 2017 Senior Bowl.
STRENGTHS: Passes the eye test with his frame, girth and arm length…fires his hands with proper timing and placement to dictate the point of attack…powerful upper body and can steer and control once he locks onto his target…efficient on combo blocks to seal run lanes…anchors when he bends at his knees…very aware of his surroundings to pick up and pass off pressures…great job balancing football and school – three-time Academic All-SEC and graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering (Dec. 2016)…named a senior captain…keeps his nose to the grindstone with the work habits needed to be a professional…durable four-year starter and finished his career with 48 straight starts – the longest active streak at the FBS-level.
WEAKNESSES: Weak base and too easily bullied when he doesn’t drop his hips…stiff lower body and limited athleticism shows in space…heavy mover and lumbers when pulling or advancing to the linebacker level…doesn’t block with twitch and lacks the recovery quickness to easily counter…tall pass-sets and inconsistent vs. moving targets…doesn’t maximize leverage as a run blocker, struggling to create movement at contact…not an overpowering snatcher…all of his career starts were at center, lacking functional experience at other positions on the offensive line.
SUMMARY: A four-year starter at Kentucky, Toth was a model of consistency for the Wildcats, starting every game at center over the last 48 contests. He looks the part and checks boxes with his size, power and intangibles, taking it personally when an interior pressure finds his way to the quarterback. Toth is a sticky blocker, using his heavy hands and punch timing to tie up blockers off the snap. However, he is too reliant on his upper half and doesn’t play with the base strength or lower body athleticism desired for the position. Overall, Toth is a battle-tested blocker with the intelligence and play strength to survive as a quality back-up in the NFL.
May 12, 2017 at 10:06 pm #68719InvaderRamModeratorToth (pronounced TOETH) is a bit of Renaissance Man, a mechanical engineering major and fluent Spanish-speaker who just happens to have been one of the top centers in college football the past couple of seasons.
so he’s a smart guy, eh?
May 13, 2017 at 9:16 am #68743znModeratorCould've sworn I was going to go first overall. @NFL
— Jon Toth (@Jtoeth) April 28, 2017
May 13, 2017 at 9:31 am #68744znModerator2017 NFL Draft Rankings
https://www.seccountry.com/kentucky/jon-toth-5-things-to-know-about-the-2017-nfl-draft-prospect
1. Tyler Orlosky
2. Patrick Elflein
3. Jon Toth/6’5″ 310
4. Mason Cole
5. Cameron TomHere are 5 things to know about Toth.
1. Jon Toth ended his college career with a nation-high 47 consecutive starts
Toth saw immediate playing time at Kentucky, and that translated into quite the run. He started 47 of his 48 games for the Wildcats, ending with 47 consecutive starts. Toth was named second team All-SEC after his senior season.2. Jon Toth graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering
His smarts were one of the things Toth was best known for at Kentucky. He graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering and was named to the SEC academic honor roll three times. He was a nominee for the National Football Foundation’s Scholar-Athlete Award.3. Jon Toth’s offensive line sprung two 1,000-yard rushers in 2016
Kentucky featured a pair of 1,000-yard rushers in Boom Williams and Benny Snell. Toth’s offensive line deserves partial credit for the effort. The Wildcats averaged 241 yards per game on the ground — the best mark in school history. Williams averaged more than 7 yards per carry and Snell broke the Kentucky freshman rushing record.4. Jon Toth wasn’t a high-profile prospect out of high school
Toth was the 14th-ranked commitment in Kentucky’s 2012 signing class, but he quickly outperformed his fellow classmates. Toth, from Brebeuf Jesuit Preparatory in Indianapolis, was ranked the 65th guard in the 2012 class and No. 24 prospect from Indiana.5. Jon Toth was recently named ‘Mr. Wildcat’
The honors of Mr. and Miss. Wildcat are given every year at the CATSPYs — Kentucky’s annual athletics awards show. Toth was named Mr. Wildcat, “given for all-around excellence in athletics, academics, character and service.”May 13, 2017 at 10:54 am #68747znModeratorGroy and Toth
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RYAN GROY
6’5″
316LBSSTRENGTHS Terrific size. Very football smart. Plays with awareness. Has enough strength to hold his ground. Can lean and seal when he has an angle. Surprisingly effective pulling and working to the second level. Competes and gives consistent effort. Three-year starter. Respected by teammates and coaches — solid work ethic and character.
WEAKNESSES Needs to develop better hip snap. Average initial quickness, athletic ability and pop on contact. Has heavy legs and tends to bend at the waist. Needs to improve punch and grip strength. Struggles adjusting to and fitting on moving targets.
DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 3-4
BOTTOM LINE Big, durable, blue-collar guard who is generally effective despite lacking exceptional physical traits. As a starter, is the type you look to replace, but could be serviceable backup in a slide-protection scheme given his size, intelligence and functional anchor.…
JON TOTH
6’5″
307LBSANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Four-year starter in competitive SEC. Good size and bulk. Understands his physical limitations and plays to his strengths. Fits into blocks with good body control and at a leveraged strike position. Unlocks hips at contact on down blocks to pin defender and present a running lane. Generates power from his lower half. Held his own against formidable Alabama defensive front. Utilizes efficient, compact punch. Has good hand strength to snatch and engage. Operates with plus hand placement, and willing to re-set hands to improve positioning when necessary. Able to control shoulder and steer opponent away from the hole. Good arm length for a center. Looks for work in pass protection and has enough anchor to thwart a bull rush.
WEAKNESSES Marginal athlete. Plays with heavy feet and below-average lateral quickness. Could struggle with sudden redirects inside to catch blitzers and twisters. Struggles to mirror athletic, interior rushers in pass pro. Labors to recover once beaten. Snap-to-step quickness is very average. Effectiveness wanes beyond line of scrimmage. Has some hip stiffness which causes him to rely on leaning over bending. A little slow in his climb to second level.
DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 6-7
BOTTOM LINE Toth is a tough, four-year starter. Will appeal to teams looking for centers who can operate in a power-based rushing scheme. While he’s better in a phone booth than on the move, he understands his limitations and does a good job of staying within himself. He’s not the best athlete at the position but his size, arm length, strength and consistency should outweigh that on the next level. Toth has the traits and ability to be an eventual starter in the NFL.May 13, 2017 at 11:26 am #68751InvaderRamModeratorlooking at their agility numbers and physical attributes groy seems to be the better athlete. but maybe toth compensates with intelligence and strength.
i was reading that toth might be dealing with some injury. might explain why he dropped. also might be a huge red flag. i won’t keep my hopes up.
- This reply was modified 7 years, 7 months ago by InvaderRam.
May 13, 2017 at 6:20 pm #68774canadaramParticipantOurlads on Toth
FWIW, they had him as their 3rd ranked C.
Four-year starter from Indianapolis, IN. Left-handed snapper in a zone blocking spread offensive scheme. Demonstrates the ability to move his feet and keep a good base in both pass protection and as a run blocker. Has a solid combination of foot quickness and ease of movement. Gets good hand placement inside the frame. Good zone run blocker when on the move. Gains a quick position and runs his feet on contact. Occupies his assignment. Locks on and pushes defender past the hole. Plays on his feet. Rarely on the ground. Picks up blitzing linebackers and pushes them up the field. Uses his eyes as a searchlight to see stunts. Taller than ideal for a center but may get away with it because he can bend. Quick enough to cut linebackers on the second level. Works to finish his blocks, especially against any type of penetration. A solid backup type who will need more strength. Senior Bowl notes: An alert center who keeps his head on a swivel. Takes good angles to the second level. Good use of hands. Mirror and slide in pass pro. Need to work on his anchor versus a bull rush.
OSR: 35/42. Fourth/fifth round. (A-33 1/8, H-10, BP-21, 10-1.87).May 13, 2017 at 7:56 pm #68777znModeratorPFF Ranking the top 50 undrafted free agents
With all seven rounds of the draft in the books, PFF looks at the list of the top undrafted free agents.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-ranking-the-top-50-undrafted-free-agents/
4. Jon Toth, C, Kentucky
Toth brings good size to the position, and he ran Kentucky’s offense well, grading among the nation’s top centers for three straight years. He took a slight step back in 2016, allowing 10 pressures and ranking 30th in the draft class in pass-blocking efficiency, but he’s a solid option in a downhill run scheme.
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