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    FootballOutsiders: adjusted QB interceptions 2017

    Good look at which QBs in 2017 were truly best taking care of the ball, who was lucky (Cousins, Stafford) and unlucky (Matt Ryan), etc. Goff shows well. His “adjusted INT rate” was 2.0%, tied for 5th, and almost half what it was in 2016 (3.5%).

    If you want skip down to the chart.

    Adjusted Interceptions 2017

    Vincent Verhei

    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/adjusted-interceptions-2017

    When is an interception not an interception? Typically, when a defender drops a pass that he should have caught, or when a wide receiver makes a big play to turn what should have been a turnover into an incompletion instead. On the other hand, sometimes quarterbacks are charged with interceptions that aren’t really their fault — Hail Mary passes, for example, or those that bounce off a receiver’s hands and into a defender’s.
    After each season, we go back and account for these discrepancies and account for each quarterback’s adjusted interceptions. Here’s the process:
    We start with each player’s actual interception total. DeShone Kizer led the NFL in 2017 with 22 interceptions.
    We then add plays where the quarterback threw a ball that could have or should have been intercepted but was not, either because the defender outright dropped the ball (which we have been tracking in game charting since 2007), or he had it knocked out of his hands by an offensive receiver (a “defensed interception,” which we have been tracking since 2012). These are listed as “Drop/Def INT” in the table at the end of this page. Kirk Cousins and Matthew Stafford tied for the league lead with nine such passes each. Aaron Rodgers was the only qualifying passer to not benefit from a dropped interception.
    Next, we subtract those interceptions that were tipped by receivers into the hands of defenders. Matt Ryan threw five interceptions that should have been caught by his own teammates. That wasn’t just the most in the league, it was the most for any quarterback in a single season since Eli Manning also had five in 2010. We also subtract passes that are tipped by receivers but then dropped by defenders to make sure they are not double-counted. C.J. Beathard, Mitchell Trubisky, and Andy Dalton each had one play like that last season.
    Finally, we subtract Hail Mary interceptions, as well as interceptions thrown in desperation on fourth down in the final two minutes of a game. (We’re sometimes flexible on these definitions, but not in 2017 — there just weren’t any gray area interceptions last season.) These are listed as “HM/End Q4” in the table. Kizer and his homonymic peer Deshaun Watson each had two such interceptions last year; nobody else had more than one.
    When we started running these numbers, we had to get the data from our own in-house volunteer game charters. For the last three seasons, we’ve had access to data from Sports Info Solutions. Determining whether or not a defender should be charged with a dropped interception will always be subjective on some plays, but you can rest assured that all the obvious calls have been counted here.
    Enough with the minutia — let’s get to the big table of numbers!

    After all that work, Kizer still leads the league in adjusted interceptions, but the gap between him and the rest of the league has shrunk considerably. It’s certainly not a good thing that Kizer threw 23 adjusted interceptions, but it’s hardly unprecedented — Ben Roethlisberger and Eli Manning both threw more than that last year. Kizer didn’t get a lot of help from Lady Luck — defenders only dropped six of his passes, while five came on either Hail Marys or drops from his receivers. Quarterbacks typically finish with about three-fourths (77 percent, to be more precise) as many actual interceptions as adjusted interceptions. Since Kizer had 23 adjusted interceptions, we would have expected him to throw 17 or 18 actual picks, not the 22 you’ll find on his page at NFL.com.
    The three quarterbacks who threw 20 or more adjusted interceptions in 2017 will all play for new teams this year. Kizer was traded to Green Bay, while Trevor Siemian and Kirk Cousins both moved to Minnesota, Siemian via trade and Cousins in free agency. Siemian only threw 406 passes last year and actually had the league’s highest rate of adjusted interceptions, but then he’s going to be a backup for the Vikings, and you’d expect backup quarterbacks to struggle with ball security. Cousins, however, was briefly the highest-paid player in the league by average salary. He has since been passed in that category by Matt Ryan, but that doesn’t mean Minnesota’s expectations for him have lowered. If his luck comes back to earth, you can expect your Vikings fan friends to be extra grouchy.
    If we go by rate of adjusted interceptions instead of totals, we find Siemian first at 4.9 percent 5.2 percent, followed by a pair of Cardinals: Carson Palmer (4.8 percent) and Blaine Gabbert (4.3 percent 4.6 percent). Between Palmer, Gabbert, and Drew Stanton, the Cardinals threw 28 adjusted interceptions, which is why none of the three will be Cardinals in 2018. Kizer, meanwhile, combined with Kevin Hogan and Cody Kessler to throw 31 adjusted interceptions in Cleveland, which is why none of them will be with the Browns in 2018. Instead, Cleveland will (probably) be quarterbacked by Tyrod Taylor, who had the lowest adjusted interception rate in the league, followed by San Francisco’s C.J. Beathard and Atlanta’s Matt Ryan.
    If those last two names are surprising for you, well, that’s the whole point of adjusted interceptions. We mentioned Ryan’s terrible luck with tipped interceptions last year, and that most quarterbacks end up with significantly more adjusted interceptions than actual interceptions. Well Ryan’s luck was so bad that he actually threw three fewer adjusted interceptions than actual interceptions, the first quarterback to do that since Tom Brady in 2013. Beathard was right behind him, with two more actual interceptions (six) than adjusted interceptions (four). And Beathard threw less than half as many passes as Ryan did!
    Beathard won’t be starting in San Francisco this year, of course; Jimmy Garoppolo will. For all his success last season, Garoppolo threw five interceptions in 188 passes, a higher rate than most quarterbacks. And he had three dropped interceptions for a total of eight adjusted interceptions, a rate of 4.3 percent that would have ranked right behind Siemian, Palmer, and Gabbert among the highest in that category.

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    from Ranking all 32 NFL quarterbacks, from best to worst

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/list/ranking-nfl-quarterbacks-qbs-rodgers-garoppolo-watson-newton/1mk8av237aj0e1aeopioav2evt

    13. Jared Goff, Rams

    Age: 23 | Career passer rating: 89.4

    Goff has gone from working with bad play-calling to starting what should be a long, beautiful relationship with offensive mastermind Sean McVay. The QB processed all the complexities and produced a stellar sophomore season to push the Rams into the playoffs. Expect the 2016 No. 1 overall pick to keep pushing to the point where he can battle for the No. 1 spot on this list in a few years.

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    Wow. Jared Goff leads the Rams to a score more than 50% of the time he takes the field. This is second only to Tom Brady (and barely so).

    Garoppolo’s ranking can be dismissed out of hand. He is a 9’er, and therefore a loser, so his statistics do not warrant serious consideration.

    Besides, he only had 50 attempts. Very little statistical power compared to the others on the list with far more attempts.

    But note how NFL Research conveniently made 50 attempts the cutoff?

    9’er lovin’ hacks, the lot of em’.

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    jared Goff leads the Rams to a score more than 50% of the time he takes the field. This is second only to Tom Brady (and barely so).

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    Rams QB Jared Goff talks upcoming season, head coach Sean McVay’s system, transition to NFL

    Los Angeles Rams quarterback discusses the team’s recent offseason acquisitions, his head coach Sean McVay, his transition from college to NFL, and more.

    http://www.therams.com/videos/videos/Rams-QB-Jared-Goff-talks-upcoming-season-head-coach-Sean-McVays-system-transition-to-NFL/d28595de-9d89-4a91-a1e5-e7442390ebfb

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    In terms of areas for improvement, I will be looking at some of these benchmarks to see how he’s doing.

    * As mentioned, better performance in games against tough opponents (teams with both good offenses and a top 10 defense). Particularly in the final half-quarter of those games. His %Pass Completed in Close Games stat was 51.9%, which ranked 26th. He is even worse with this stat: %Passes Completed, Late & Close. With that he was 45.3% which ranked 31st.

    * Long passing. 31 yards and over, he threw 3% of his total attempts in that range(which is low), and completed 33% (which is okay). 11-30 yards, he threw 27.7% of his total attempts in that range (which is high) and completed 46% (which is low-ish). Interestingly, if you look at a related but different stat, the Rams do quite well. That’s Big Play Passes of 25 Yards or More (the difference is with this one, you count YAC, well with the first stats I gave, it’s all ball in the air only). On this stat the Rams ranked 5th in the league.

    * Throwing on the run. I initially thought he was good at this but as the season wore on he had his share of dirtballs with this.

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    if you look at a related but different stat, the Rams do quite well. That’s Big Play Passes of 25 Yards or More (the difference is with this one, you count YAC, well with the first stats I gave, it’s all ball in the air only). On this stat the Rams ranked 5th in the league.

    Rams were actually 4th in yards after the catch: http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFC&rank=230&type=Passing&year=

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    from Carson Wentz heads NFL’s top players from 2016 draft right now

    David Carr

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000935369/article/carson-wentz-heads-nfls-top-players-from-2016-draft-right-now

    #6: Jared Goff

    Goff’s progression over his first two seasons has made it easy to put him on this list. He was excellent last year — when working with first-year head coach Sean McVay — and might be even better in 2018. Los Angeles’ daunting defense, which added Aqib Talib, Marcus Peters and Ndamukong Suh in the offseason, should give Goff and the offense even more opportunities to shine.

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    note: the 1st 5 on this list are Wentz, Ramsey, Tyreek Hill, Elliott, and Michael Thomas.

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    It’s another year and another new set of coaches for Rams quarterback Jared Goff

    By Rich Hammond

    link: https://www.ocregister.com/2018/06/12/its-another-year-and-another-new-set-of-coaches-for-rams-quarterback-jared-goff/

    THOUSAND OAKS — Pay attention to your coaches, Jared Goff. At least for 12 months or so.

    In what is becoming an unofficial rite of late spring, the Rams’ quarterback is adjusting to a new set of advisors. For a third consecutive year, Goff has a new position coach and a new pass-game guru.

    Zac Taylor is the Rams’ new quarterbacks coach, promoted in January to replace Greg Olson, who got hired as Oakland’s offensive coordinator. Shane Waldron is the Rams’ new pass-game coordinator, promoted to replace offensive coordinator Matt LaFleur, who left for the same job in Tennessee.

    “It’s exciting. It’s fun,” Goff said after Tuesday’s minicamp practice at Cal Lutheran. “I think they’ve done a tremendous job. I have already learned a lot of Zac and learned his spin on things, and same with Shane. They both have their take on things and it’s different and I have enjoyed it.”

    Not since his junior season at Cal has Goff returned to team with an intact set of quarterback-related coaches. That is, in part, a reality of life in the NFL. A coach’s life is transitory, and those who do their jobs well, such as Olson and LaFleur, tend to move on to jobs with greater responsibilities.

    What, if anything, does this mean for Goff? A year ago, he made the Pro Bowl as the league’s most-improved quarterback. Plus, if anything, his relationship with Coach Sean McVay should be stronger in its second season, and Goff’s surrounding cast of talent is arguably better than last season.

    Still, a quarterback is an extension of his coaches, each of whom has his own voice, preferences and nuances. As Goff entered the final phase of the Rams’ offseason program Tuesday – the start of a three-day minicamp – the Rams seemed unconcerned about the latest round of coaching flux.

    “He’s had a few new faces,” Waldron said, “so the biggest thing is keeping that consistency in what the messaging has been in the meeting room. Zac Taylor has done a great job of picking up where (Olson) left off, and ultimately Coach McVay is the lead voice of our offense, and his message is the same.”

    That’s the bottom line, even though McVay attempted to downplay it Tuesday as he heaped praise on Taylor and Waldron. McVay is a former high school quarterback and he is the Rams’ play-caller.

    A position coach is important, but Goff’s tightest bond always will be with McVay. The two seemed to bond quickly in 2017, after McVay took over in January.

    “I think quarterback and play-caller is one that has to be tight,” Goff said, “and our relationship continues to grow and I feel good about it.”

    After three years of college consistency at Cal, with veteran head coach Sonny Dykes and coordinator/quarterbacks coach Tony Franklin, Goff arrived in the NFL in 2016 and got handed to Coach Jeff Fisher, who had a defensive background, and a support staff with little experience.

    Rob Boras, a longtime tight ends coach, had never before been a full-time NFL offensive coordinator. Quarterbacks coach Chris Weinke had a Heisman Trophy on his shelf but had only one year of experience as a coach beyond the high school level.

    Perhaps it’s no surprise that Goff struggled as a rookie, then thrived in 2017 under Olson, a quarterbacks coach with 30 years of experience at the NFL and college levels, and LaFleur, a first-year but well-regarded coordinator. Most importantly, Goff had McVay, the play-caller who transformed the Rams’ offense from dormant to dominant in a short period.

    Goff isn’t a stranger when it comes to his new coaches, and that helps.

    Taylor, 35, spent last season as the Rams’ assistant receivers coach, and previously was an offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach with the Miami Dolphins. Waldron has retained his previous duties as the Rams’ tight ends coach, and he also worked with the tight ends in Washington and New England.

    “I think it’s about everybody having a great relationship,” McVay said. “There’s a lot of times when I might not be in that quarterbacks room or the offensive meeting, but when you have the confidence in Zac and Shane and Coach Kromer and the other coaches, you feel really good about stepping away.”

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    from PFF: Adjusted quarterback rating

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/fantasy-football-metrics-that-matter-adjusted-quarterback-rating

    One of my favorites reads of this offseason was from the hosts of the PFF Forecast podcast, Eric Eager and George Chahrouri, who looked at a metric they called Adjusted Quarterback Rating. You can read that article here. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-re-evaluating-the-nfl-passer-rating-using-big-time-turnover-worthy-throws

    Essentially, not all interceptions are the fault of the quarterback. A ball could be placed perfectly within the frame of the receiver, only to have that ball deflected off of the receiver’s hands and into the arms of a willing defender. The quarterback is then undeservingly credited with a negative play. The same can be said for touchdowns. A quarterback could throw an inaccurate ball only to have a wide receiver make a highlight-reel catch and then break three tackles on his way to a 63-yard score. The quarterback’s positive impact on this play was minimal, but they are still awarded full credit for the touchdown.

    Eager and Chahrouri attempted to help solve this problem and improve upon traditional passer rating by using PFF’s grades to better isolate a quarterback’s performance independent from the rest of his team. Rather than crediting quarterbacks with positive and negative throws using two of the primary variables in the passer rating formula (touchdowns and interceptions), they added more clarity by replacing these components with “big-time throws” and “turnover-worthy throws” – two PFF-exclusive metrics that were explained in greater depth here. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-pff-qb-grading-most-effective-tool-there-is

    In their conclusion, they write, “Touchdowns and interceptions tell you what happened, while big-time throws and turnover-worthy throws tell you more about how good a player is (and likely will be in the future).” That latter point is true and backed by their data – adjusted quarterback rating is far more stable than traditional passer rating, with a year-to-year correlation of 0.48 to traditional passer rating’s 0.39.

    In this article, my focus is primarily on the differential between adjusted passer rating and traditional passer rating, to highlight potential ADP values. If the public perception is that a quarterback disappointed as a passer last year (perhaps caused by analysts focusing too much on traditional passer rating), but they ranked much higher by adjusted passer rating, perhaps we should be targeting them at their now-depressed ADP.

    Indeed, since 2007, of all 200 quarterbacks to attempt at least 300 passes in back-to-back years, 67 percent of all quarterbacks with a positive differential (between traditional and adjusted passer rating) improved in traditional passer rating in the following season. Only 40 percent of all quarterbacks with a negative differential improved in the following season.

    Here’s the list of all quarterbacks with at least 400 pass attempts last season, sorted by adjusted passer rating:

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    PFF: Adjusted quarterback rating

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/fantasy-football-metrics-that-matter-adjusted-quarterback-rating

    This drives home the view of Goff as a safe qb, not in the sense that he won’t take risks, but in the sense that he doesn’t throw INTs. In his 2nd year he is ranked 8th in adjusted passer rating, behind guys like Brady, Brees, and Ryan, but ahead of guys like Wentz, Roethlisberger, and Wilson.

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    from https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/6/21/17486716/weird-nfl-stats-2018

    Jared Goff’s second half was probably better than you think.

    The Rams’ offense didn’t exactly fly under the radar last year as it scored a league-best 478 points just one year after finishing dead last in the same category. But while Sean McVay and Todd Gurley get a lot of the hype around that offensive explosion (and look, they both should—McVay’s scheme is brilliant and Gurley jumps over people just about every week), we still might be sleeping on just how well Goff played, too, particularly during the second half of the season.

    From Week 9 on, the second-year pro out of Cal threw 19 touchdowns—the most in the NFL—and just three picks and averaged 8.18 yards per attempt (sixth). He ranked first in adjusted yards per attempt (9.14) and passer rating (109.4) in that stretch, and led L.A. to a 6-2 finish.

    That late-season progression—a result, in part, of Goff getting fully comfortable in McVay’s complex new offense—portends big things. After a full offseason learning the nuances of the playbook and making subtle changes to last year’s successful concepts, the sky’s the limit for what Goff—and the Rams offense—can do in 2018.

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    Goff Adjusting Well to Rams Coaching Staff Changes

    Kristen Lago

    https://www.therams.com/news/goff-adjusting-well-to-rams-coaching-staff-changes

    The Rams 2018 offseason program was not just marked by changes to the club’s roster. Los Angeles’ coaching staff also saw its share of turnover, with the departure of former offensive coordinator Matt LaFleur and quarterbacks coach Greg Olson.
    Plus, three of the club’s current coaches were also dealt promotions as offensive line coach Aaron Kromer took over as run game coordinator, tight ends coach Shane Waldron as passing game coordinator, and assistant wide receivers coach Zac Taylor as the team’s new quarterbacks coach.
    Though many of the changes were small in nature, they all seemed to directly affect one player in particular — quarterback Jared Goff.

    And because Goff was already subject to a complete set of new coaches after his rookie season, the staff has been especially mindful of his adjustment in 2018.
    “The biggest thing is keeping that consistency in the messaging that’s been in the meeting rooms,” Waldron said. “Zac Taylor has done a great job of picking up where Olson left off and then ultimately you have coach McVay who is the lead voice of our offense as a whole. His message has always remained the same, so we’re just falling in line there.”
    By keeping the messaging consistent, Goff has been able to focus on building up his new relationships. And despite the turnover, the Cal product has kept a positive outlook, calling the changes exciting and fun to watch.
    “Zac and Shane have been tremendous for us,” he said. “I really learned a lot with Zac and he’s taught me different things with his spin on things, and the same thing with Shane. They both have their take on things that’s different and I’ve really enjoyed it.”
    Plus, by returning to the same system under the same play caller, Goff has been able to keep up his own level of consistency. And as changes are made around him and throughout the organization, his relationship with McVay has become all the more important.
    “I think as anyone wants to be, I think quarterback and play caller has gotta be pretty tight,” Goff said. “Our relationship continues to grow and we feel good about it.”

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    Quarterbacks and Pressure 2017

    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/quarterbacks-and-pressure-2017

    2017 saw a massive improvement for Jared Goff, optimism for Jimmy Garoppolo and Deshaun Watson, and the first time two players had positive DVOA under pressure. Also: will Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson ever change their style the way Ben Roethlisberger has?

    The average pressure rate in 2017 was 31.6 percent, which was the highest since 2010. Do keep that in mind if you want to compare this to past seasons, such as 2016 when the pressure rate was 27.1 percent. It was just a tad over 23 percent in our data for the 2010 and 2011 seasons.

    … we were spooked by Jared Goff in this study a year ago after what he did for the Rams in 2016 as the No. 1 overall pick. His DVOA without pressure was -45.2%, easily the worst of any qualified passer since 2010. Quarterbacks under 10.0% rarely ever recover, but what would Goff do from this far down? Enter rookie head coach Sean McVay, some new wideouts, and some new offensive line starters, and Goff shot all the way up to 83.4% DVOA without pressure, ranked No. 2 in the league and the seventh-highest season since 2010. Needless to say, we’ve never observed a year-to-year improvement like that one before. Goff still wasn’t too hot when pressured (21st in DVOA), but when kept clean in that YAC-heavy scheme, he had a field day in 2017.

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