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  • #38577
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    Rams: Get used to the quarterback rumors

    Vincent Bonsignore

    link: http://www.insidesocal.com/nfl/2016/02/04/rams-get-used-to-the-quarterback-rumors/

    It’s no secret the Los Angeles Rams aren’t comfortable with their short or long-range quarterback options. Which means much of their focus between now and training camp will be spent on addressing the position.

    And that means all options will be taken into consideration.

    A little bit of advice, then: Expect the Rams to be mentioned with every available quarterback over the next few months.

    Because to some extent, they will be.

    Or, as a high-ranking league official advised: “If I’m the Rams, every quarterback option is on the table.”

    And yes, that might even mean taking a hard look at Peyton Manning, who the Rams have reportedly already had internal discussions about.

    Manning in under contract with the Denver Broncos for next season, but most observers think it’s a long shot he returns to the Mile High City.

    The Rams, obviously, are in need of a dependable starter, even on a short-term basis.

    At first glance, it sounds like a long shot. And depending how Super Bowl 50 turns out, Manning might just ride off into the sunset.

    But if he does decide to play one more year, it makes sense the Rams would be interested in him and he’d be interested in them.

    The Rams are close to being postseason ready, with the quarterback spot the one glaring position holding them back.

    We already know Nick Foles and Case Keenum will go to training camp competing for the job, but there is just as good a chance neither is even on the roster come training camp.

    Manning fits pretty nicely into an otherwise solid roster, and the Rams could use him as a solid stop gap while also drafting and developing the future face of the franchise.

    From Manning’s perspective, with the Rams offering a playoff ready defense, a dynamic young running back in Todd Gurley to lean on and a young and improved offensive line to work behind, it might not be a bad team to latch onto for a year or two.

    And let’s face it, it doesn’t hurt his brand to spend the last chapter of his career in Hollywood and the second-biggest market in the country.

    That doesn’t mean it will happen. But it’s not as crazy as it seems.

    And with the Rams focused intently on addressing their short and long-range quarterback options, Manning is one of many possibilities they’ll consider.

    And be mentioned in conjunction with.

    So get used to it.

    #38545
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    Rams have discussed bringing Peyton Manning to L.A. in 2016

    Adam Schefter
    ESPN Senior Writer

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14703972/los-angeles-rams-discuss-peyton-manning-option-2016

    The Rams have had internal discussions about bringing Peyton Manning to Los Angeles should he want to play another season, per a league source.

    Manning still is under contract to the Broncos for another year, but most around the league do not expect him to return to Denver next season, if he returns at all.

    Manning still must decide whether he wants to play again, and the Rams still are formulating their quarterback plans. But they are monitoring the Manning situation, per a source, which is a sign that the Broncos quarterback could have options next season.

    It also sets up the possibility — even if it is remote — that Manning could finish his career in Southern California just as former Colts quarterback Johnny Unitas did with the San Diego Chargers in 1973 and former New York Jets quarterback Joe Namath did with Los Angeles Rams in 1977.

    Rams coach Jeff Fisher said at his season-ending news conference that Case Keenum is the team’s starter entering the offseason and Nick Foles and Sean Mannion will be around to compete. The Rams traded for Foles last offseason and signed him to an extension but the former Philadelphia Eagles starter lost the starting job to Keenum during the season.

    Super Bowl 50 will be Manning’s fourth title game in 18 seasons. Given that he has come back from spinal fusion surgery in 2011 to play four seasons for the Broncos, along with the injuries that have dotted his past three seasons, including the left foot injury that forced him to miss seven games this season, there have been signs for weeks that Sunday’s game might be Manning’s last.

    “I’ve tried to stay in the moment, tried not to look back,” Manning said Monday in the opening minutes of his session at the Super Bowl 50 media night. “Just tried to stay in the moment.”

    #38547
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    No thanks. At this point, I don’t think Manning can be effective for a full season anymore. He can still play well in spots like he did last week but he’s just not the player he used to be.

    #38549
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    I dunno. It reminds me
    of too many reclamation projects that
    didn’t work out.
    Namath.
    Bert Jones.
    D. Pastorini

    I wonder who the free agent QBs are
    NEXT year. Maybe they make due
    this year and fix the QB situation next
    year.

    w
    v

    #38551
    Isiah58
    Participant

    I find this one rather silly for many reasons.

    First, why would Peyton do it? There is no familiarity, no coaches or system he knows. The Rams finished 32nd in passing last year for a reason – what is attractive about that to Peyton?

    Second, he would not likely give the Rams a discount. If he is going to subject his body to the pounding of another year, it is going to come at his going rate (+$20M). Why would he play for anything less?

    Third, Peyton is not the Peyton of even two years ago. He is fragile and almost forty and cannot throw deep anymore.

    Fourth, unless Peyton retires after the Super Bowl he will probably take a while to make his decision on whether he is playing next year. The Rams can’t tamper with him or make any overtures about him lest they suffer the wrath of the commissioner’s office. So they would be stuck in a holding pattern while Peyton Watch ’16 extends into the Spring and Summer.

    It just makes no sense to me. Even the way it is reported (“the Rams have had internal discussions . . .”) is a clue to how seriously we should take this. They have probably also had internal discussions about trading for Aaron Rogers and moving up to the Number 1 pick in the draft, but the chances of these things are extremely remote. I understand the need for big names and to make a splash in LA, and I also appreciate the invaluable leadership Peyton could bring to a very young team. I just don’t see how it makes any sense to Manning to play one year in LA after the career that he has had and it smacks of Joe Namath wearing the horns long past his prime.

    Isiah 58

    “Marge, don't discourage the boy! Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals! Except the weasel.” - Homer Simpson

    #38553
    Avatar photojoemad
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    I’d do it just hear “”””OMAHA!!!!!” He’d sell more jerseys in LA than my man Case!

    Peyton’s passes flutter like geese, he’s slow, but he knows the game very well… and it showed in the playoffs…… played a nice game in the AFC Championship game led the TE nicely on his 1st TD pass in the middle seam of the field. He knows when to throw back shoulder, when to lead, when to dump to avoid sacks, pocket presence… Fuck yea I’d take him, he’s only 39….

    Regarding Namath and the Rams. Knox should’ve put him in the 4th quarter against the Vikings…..

    BTW< Joe Willie Namath was the 1st super star football athlete outside our local NFL market that I remember. One of the kids in the neighbor had a Namath Jets jersey… it was the 1st NFL jersey that I remember seeing being outworn from a player outside our local market…. next jersey I remember was OJ’s (Buffalo)

    #38556
    PA Ram
    Participant

    I don’t see Peyton having any interest in this.

    From the Rams standpoint–it only really makes sense as a mentor for Mannion. How much do you pay for a mentor?

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #38557
    Herzog
    Participant

    IF he retires…..I’d love to bring him in as a quarterback’s coach.

    #38558
    Avatar photoZooey
    Moderator

    I’ll bet they have also had internal discussions about how well Coldplay and Beyonce will mesh together in the halftime show.

    #38564
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    Peyton Manning to Rams doesn’t make much sense for either side

    Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/26544/peyton-manning-to-rams-doesnt-make-much-sense-for-either-side

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — If Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning doesn’t want Sunday’s Super Bowl to be his last rodeo, perhaps a move to Rodeo Drive could be his final act.

    ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter reported Wednesday that the Rams have had internal discussions about bringing Manning to Los Angeles in 2016. Because Manning is under contract with the Broncos and obviously still has a game to play, the Rams can’t and won’t publicly comment on any potential interest.

    Before we dive too far into this topic, it must be noted that the Rams are discussing any and all potential quarterbacks who could make them better. It’d be silly and neglectful if they weren’t, after they finished last in the league in most major passing categories in 2015. So let’s keep in mind that Manning is far from the only name they’re talking about among quarterbacks and, really, every position.

    As for why they’d be discussing Manning, who will turn 40 in March, there’s no doubt he would give the Rams plenty of sizzle as they move back to Los Angeles. He has the star power to sell plenty of tickets and jerseys, and he has a long-standing relationship with coach Jeff Fisher. He’d also be an excellent tutor for any quarterback apprentices the Rams would have to back him up.

    But that’s about where the upside would end. Such a move just doesn’t make a lot of sense.

    The Rams currently have quarterbacks Case Keenum, Nick Foles and Sean Mannion occupying the three spots on the depth chart. For the vast majority of his career, Manning would have been the ultimate upgrade to a group like that. But that Manning isn’t this Manning.

    In 2015 he played 10 regular-season games and threw for 2,249 yards, nine touchdowns and 17 interceptions for a passer rating of 67.9. Foles started 11 games and threw for 2,052 yards, seven touchdowns and 10 interceptions for a passer rating of 69.0. Keep in mind those numbers got Foles benched in favor of Keenum, who performed the best of all three with a passer rating of 87.7 in six starts.

    Even if you subscribe to the idea that Manning would be a marketing boon for the Rams, it’s not as though they are having trouble moving tickets. They’ve already boasted about the 50,000 or so deposits they’ve taken for season tickets (with each deposit allowed to buy up to eight tickets). What the Rams need at quarterback is a short- and long-term solution that can help them win and thus sustain those ticket sales for years to come.

    That solution would ideally come in the form of one person, but it’s hard to see who could be added this offseason to fulfill that need.

    This is also a two-way street. Even if whatever internal conversations the Rams had turned serious, there’s not many good reasons for Manning to want to sign with them.

    Manning has a great chance to ride into the sunset on a Super Bowl appearance or potentially a Super Bowl win. If he decided to hang on for another go, he’d be going to a team that hasn’t been to the playoffs since 2004 or had a winning record since 2003. He has proved capable of riding a ship led by a dominant defense to this year’s Super Bowl — but he didn’t have to do it in the NFC West. And, for as talented as the Rams are on defense, they aren’t the Broncos, who had the league’s top-ranked defense in 2015.

    Beyond that, the Rams have a young offensive line that still has plenty of developmental work to do and a receiver corps with no top options like Demaryius Thomas or Emmanuel Sanders. Manning also isn’t mobile, something Fisher said he wanted when he switched from Foles to Keenum. On Wednesday, Manning told reporters at the Super Bowl that he’s going to need hip replacement surgery at some point. He’s also dealt with serious neck and foot issues in recent years. That doesn’t sound like a guy who needs to be dodging defenders for the Rams.

    Through the years, we’ve seen plenty of all-time greats keep playing even after their primes. It’s a right to which they’re entitled. Heck, the Rams have even played a prominent role in such a scenario, employing Joe Namath for a final season in 1977.

    But if Manning wants to keep playing, it’d be best for both he and the Rams if he does it somewhere else.

    #38570
    JackPMiller
    Participant

    I would not mind Peyton much. Is he what he was three years ago? No, but he is still better than most of the league. Since Fisher and his staff are not real good at developing QBs, Peyton could be the one help groom the our young QBs, even if it is one year. Peyton has no issue with that.

    #38634
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    #38862
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    Magic Johnson tries to recruit Peyton Manning to be a Ram

    by Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/26812/magic-johnson-tries-to-recruit-peyton-manning-to-be-a-ram

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — Forget the weather and the lifestyle, the Los Angeles Rams’ best recruiting tool might be a little bit of Magic.

    On Wednesday night’s edition of “The Tonight Show starring Jimmy Fallon,” legendary Laker Magic Johnson attempted to pitch Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning on becoming a member of the Rams in 2016.

    “I tried to talk somebody out of retirement and come to the Rams,” Johnson said, pointing to Manning and laughing. “I said, ‘Man, if you play again, come to the Rams.’ I was working on him backstage. I will even chip in some money.”

    Manning began blushing and admitted that he was getting embarrassed by the proposal. Johnson then began extolling the virtues of playing in Los Angeles and reiterated his desire to see Manning become a Ram.

    “We are so excited,” Johnson said. “The first day they announced it, it was like 45,000 fans signed up for season tickets and I was the first in line. I used to be a season ticket holder for the Rams back when they were there as well as the Raiders. I want to cheer for him, if he doesn’t retire, as a Ram. I have got my recruiting hat on right now.”

    Manning offered no real response other than a little bit of laughter. ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported last week that the Rams had internally discussed attempting to acquire Manning should he decide to keep playing and the Broncos part ways with him. The Rams, of course, cannot publicly comment on their interest in a player on another team.

    Johnson clearly has no such restrictions.

    #39005
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    No RG3.

    He;s a health issue AND a head case.

    #39007
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
    Moderator

    No RG3.

    He;s a health issue AND a head case.

    haha. i don’t see a head case with rg3. i see a guy who needs some maturing to do.

    i’d apply head case to guys like manziel.

    as far as bradford. i do like him. i’ve always liked him. it’s just that he’s never finished a season for more than a year in a row. that’s big.

    i mean missing games here and there i understand. and not expecting 16 games year in and year out. but he hasn’t finished 2 consecutive seasons since 2008.

    that’s really my only concern with him. and no i’m not expecting him to be brett favre. but even if he could be as durable as ben roethlisberger i’d take that.

    #39011
    sdram
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    From what I understand, RG3 had a lot of on the field ‘being a good pro’ QB issues that led to his demotion. Obviously he has talent with a decent arm and great athleticism. But, he proved he just wasn’t very good at running a pro-style offense, reading a defense and making decisions regarding who to throw the ball to. Kirk Cousins had improved in these areas and out played him to legitimately win the Washington starting QB position.

    I think that he’d be a huge reclamation project(calling Mike Martz) and potential distraction ?But, he’d probably come pretty cheap. Would be a big name splash in LA.

    #39013
    Avatar photozn
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    In terms of RG3, I don’t like his character, mindset, attitude, any of it. And he wasn’t just struggling as a pro qb in recent attempts, he was flat-out bad at it. His quarterbacking issues made Foles’ meltdown look like the second coming of Joe Montana.

    #39068
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
    Moderator

    granted. i have not seen rg3 play since his rookie year. but to say he has been flat out bad in recent years. i have a hard time believing it. and i have read the articles by chris cooley ripping his game apart.

    i can only go off stats, but in his third season as a pro qb in a different system than his two previous, he had a career high in completion percentage (68.7%) and a yards per average of 7.9. that doesn’t say to me that he was flat out bad.

    now he might be struggling. but i would expect that given the fact that he switched systems from year 2 to year 3. and part of it might also be that he needs to be in a system that better fits his skills as a quarterback.

    i also concede that he needs to adjust his attitude and become a better leader. again. i think he needs to mature. might he be another jeff george? it’s possible. but that’s why the rams would need to do the background search. do their homework. but there’s just too much potential there to just flat out reject.

    a guy like fisher might be the right kind of head coach for him. and the rams could put griffin in a system that better utilizes his skills.

    or not. i’d be curious to find out though.

    #39070
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
    Moderator

    interestingly. i’m watching this documentary about a quarterback whose team was losing. the team was constantly fighting, and it got so bad that the quarterback was blaming everyone else but himself. it got so bad that the running back, who was six years junior to the quarterback, felt compelled to call him out on national television. it even got so bad that the head coach and general manager made the two players go in front of national television and issue a public apology. the quarterback even got into a screaming match with one of the coaches i believe it was.

    that quarterback was jim kelly. and even though he entered the nfl three years after he came out of college because he refused to play at buffalo, there was a maturation process he had to go through.

    there doesn’t seem to be much risk in signing rg3. he might not even want to play for the rams, but i think it’s definitely worth it to the rams to see if he might be able to resurrect his career here.

    #39072
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    and i have read the articles by chris cooley ripping his game apart.

    That article was so damming, it doesn’t amount to anything as simple as switching systems. RG3 did not know how to do basic stuff in the offense, and that goes way beyond switching systems. I have never seen a coach rip into a qb like Gruden did with RG3, and that was with the owner making it clear RG3 was a favorite of his…Gruden defied him.

    I don’t see how you could read that article and see anything other than a qb struggling to even grasp the basics.

    The guy has huge problems, and it doesn’t help that his own teammates don’t think highly of him.

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    ROBERT GRIFFIN III TEAMMATES APPLAUD BENCHING ‘Now We Can Start Winning’

    http://www.tmz.com/2015/08/31/robert-griffin-iii-teammates-blast-qb-now-we-can-start-winning/#ixzz40LG6LyVX

    Several members of the Washington Redskins tell TMZ Sports … they’re PUMPED the team is benching RG3 … with one player saying, “Now we can start winning games.”
    We spoke with a handful of Redskins players — all of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity — and they were all on the same page … they’ve been wanting the move for a while.
    One player told us, “We’re relieved. This is good for the team.”
    Another player was more blunt … saying, “We have a better chance of winning with [Kirk Cousins] than Robert Griffin. Sometimes teams need a change and we obviously did.”
    Even the defense is excited — with one starter saying, “The team is excited with the change. We are all looking forward to Kirk leading us this season.”

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    Report: Several Washington offensive linemen dislike RG3

    Michael David Smith

    Report: Several Washington offensive linemen dislike RG3

    As Robert Griffin III morphed from the rookie of the year in 2012 to a huge disappointment in 2013, questions started to be raised about whether his offensive line disliked him. At one point late in the 2013 season, it was observed that Washington’s offensive linemen hardly ever helped Griffin up after sacks, and reports out of the team’s locker room began to indicate that players were tired of Griffin’s refusal to take the blame when things went wrong.

    Two years later, Griffin still doesn’t seem to be winning any friends in the locker room.

    At today’s press conference, Griffin was asked about problems with the team’s pass protection. Although Griffin said he wouldn’t point fingers at his offensive linemen, he also didn’t put the blame on himself, even though many observers have pointed to Griffin’s lack of pocket awareness as a bigger problem than Washington’s offensive line.

    According to Jason Reid of ESPN, Griffin sidestepping his own responsibility for making the line look worse than it played is exactly the kind of thing that causes him problems in the locker room. Reid wrote on Twitter after Griffin’s press conference that coaches say “several” offensive linemen dislike Griffin.

    There seem to be two problems facing Griffin. The more important one is that he simply hasn’t played very well since suffering a severe knee injury at the end of his rookie season. But another problem is that he hasn’t shown that he has the leadership qualities that a quarterback needs. And until he starts playing better, it’s hard to see how he’ll be able to rally his teammates around him.

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    #39084
    Avatar photozn
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    Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
    Redskins and QB Kirk Cousins have broken off contract talks, per team source. No further talks scheduled.

    #39098
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i read it. definitely doesn’t sound good.

    but again. there isn’t much risk. you don’t need to give him a huge contract. if it doesn’t work out it doesn’t work out.

    and cooley doesn’t have any more insight than any other talking head. he wasn’t there during the gruden years. and in fact he only played with griffin his rookie year. i’ve heard plenty other talking heads say that griffin can play in this league.

    as far as gruden yeah its damning. but again. in that buffalo bills documentary the things that were talked about jim kelly’s first four years sound exactly like what happened at washington.

    i heard the same things about faulk. people denounced the trade and said the rams were getting a selfish player. the rams couldn’t win with him. if people find him to be a prick well i can’t argue with them. the same is true of marshall. the same exact things were said of kelly. his teammates couldn’t stand him. thurman thomas said the same exact things about kelly that griffin’s teammates are saying of him.

    but this guy seems to be competitive. he’s smart. but he also needs to mature. i have a hard time believing that a qb can’t master the basics and put up the numbers he put up in 2014. not his rookie year. but his first with gruden. they’re not far off what cousins did who came from a pro system.

    no i’m not trying to say he was as good as cousins, but it’s not as far off as people would like to believe. i don’t care what gruden says or what his motivations are for saying that. and again. the same things said about griffin are what kelly’s teammates were saying about him.

    we’ll see, but while griffin may be an arrogant sob, there’s nothing to me that indicates he can’t mature as a person and become a better teammate and leader. and with repetitions i don’t see why he can’t improve his qb skills as well if he applies himself.

    #39099
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    we’ll see, but while griffin may be an arrogant sob, there’s nothing to me that indicates he can’t mature as a person and become a better teammate and leader. and with repetitions i don’t see why he can’t improve his qb skills as well if he applies himself.

    Tell you what. If they sign Griffin, and he proves to be a distraction or the guy being complained about in the stuff I posted, then, you owe the board a million dollars. Fair enough?

    #39100
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
    Moderator

    we’ll see, but while griffin may be an arrogant sob, there’s nothing to me that indicates he can’t mature as a person and become a better teammate and leader. and with repetitions i don’t see why he can’t improve his qb skills as well if he applies himself.

    Tell you what. If they sign Griffin, and he proves to be a distraction or the guy being complained about in the stuff I posted, then, you owe the board a million dollars. Fair enough?

    how about a million hugs? i can do that.

    #39189
    Avatar photozn
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    how about a million hugs? i can do that.

    Naw you don’t owe nothin. Cause…good discussion.

    As they said in The Man of Steel, a good discussion is its own reward.

    #39200
    Herzog
    Participant

    Let’s just sign Cousins and win the damn Super Bowl

    #39205
    Avatar photowv
    Participant

    i read it. definitely doesn’t sound good.

    but again. there isn’t much risk. you don’t need to give him a huge contract. if it doesn’t work out it doesn’t work out…

    Normally, i’d agree with that. And there was a time i was RG’s biggest fan — but. man, i have ‘never’ read so much negative stuff about a young QB,
    in my life. The stuff i have read out of Washington over the years,
    has been just awful.

    I am not sure ‘there is no risk’ in bringing him in — I mean,
    what if he outplays the other QBs in preseason, and they give
    him the job — and then he becomes a cancer in the locker-room
    and the drama-queen stuff starts and dogs and cats start
    falling from the sky? What then?

    At any rate, if they did bring him in, Imho, theyd
    have to totally redesign the offense. I mean, they’d
    have to make it RG3 friendly and i dont even know
    if his knee would hold up in an RG3-friendly offense.
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    #39242
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
    Moderator

    i don’t mean to go on and on about this.

    but just one more time.

    just watched this buffalo bills documentary. they talked about jim kelly and how at the beginning of his career he didn’t even want to play for buffalo so he joined the usfl. that league folded and he was basically forced to sign with the bills since they retained his rights.

    his first four years were marred by fighting and bickering. he was constantly deflecting blame. wouldn’t take responsibility as the qb and would essentially put the blame on his teammates. their nickname was actually the bickering bills.

    it got so bad that thurman thomas felt compelled to say that maybe the losing would stop if they changed quarterbacks. the owner, gm, and coach made the two issue a public apology at a press conference.

    well we all know how that fiasco ended. i wonderhow that infighting would have played out in this era of the internet and social media.

    kelly said there were a lot of egos on that team. not just him and thomas but smith, bennett, reed…

    and after that feud between kelly and thomas it was thomas who was at his bedside when he was fighting cancer. sometimes it’s just a matter of maturing. or winning.

    don’t get me wrong. i’d be doing tons of homework before making a decision and the rams have access to info we don’t. so if they decide the risk is too great so be it.

    #39344
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    ESPN NFL Insider Adam Caplan discusses whether Los Angeles makes sense to be the next NFL home for Robert Griffin III.

    vid link: http://www.rams-news.com/caplan-rg3-doesnt-fit-the-scheme-in-la-video/

    #39361
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    I plan on adding my extra QB in the draft. So, FA QBs are not really on my horizon.

    Agamemnon

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