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    Note: the vid, some tweets, and some poster discussion of this press conference are here: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/cignettifisher-press-conference-tweets-and-stuff/

    Rams Head Coach Jeff Fisher, Offensive Coordinator Frank Cignetti (2-13-15)

    (Opening Statement)
    JF: “What we wanted to do, obviously before we take off for the combine next week, is to give you an opportunity to visit with (Offensive Coordinator) Frank (Cignetti). Before we do so, I kind of want to talk about the process. When it was apparent to me that (former Offensive Coordinator) Coach (Brian) Schottenheimer was moving on, there was no doubt in my mind that I had his replacement on the staff. So, that would reflect all of the speculation-Well, we’re going to talk to this person, we’re going to talk to that person and then nothing really came to fruition there. I actually brought only one coach into the building that I was interested in talking to, knowing I think all along the way the right guy for us was on the staff. What we did was we rolled our sleeves up and I spent numerous times with Frank, numerous times with (Assistant Head Coach/Offense) Rob (Boras) going back through our offense:where we were, where we want to go and how we’re going to get there. It became apparent to me that Frank was the one to lead us. So, we had some great conversations. Everyone’s on the same page.

    “Continuity, stability is very, very important to me and to the organization. Continuity, stability, same system for (QB) Sam (Bradford), same system for the rest of his teammates was very, very important and it was about how we get better. How we become more productive. How we’re more efficient offensively, and there was no doubt in my mind that Frank was the guy to lead us. I was really excited about all the information and the time I spent with Rob. Therein lies the reason that we promoted him to assistant head coach/offense. He’ll continue to coach the tight ends. Both Rob and Frank have already started, but they’re going to do a great job together with the direction and where we want to be. So, it was the perfect scenario. Again, I think if you follow my history, in the past we’ve promoted from within. I think if you’re doing things correctly you should be able to do that for the most part. So we’ve done that.”

    (On why he takes his time in the hiring process)
    JF: “I think you’re rewarded for patience. I think we have an outstanding running back coach in Ben (Sirmans) and we interviewed eight different coaches before we hired Ben three years ago. I think you’re rewarded for patience. I think that’s important. Through the process, often times, different opportunities come up. That wasn’t the case here, it wasn’t what I was looking for. Frank and the staff have been working for the better part of 10 days now moving, on so this was not something we decided upon yesterday. They’ve been working together and we’re close to getting caught up from where most offensive staffs should be at in this point in the offseason.”

    (On since he knew he had two solid in-house options, part of the process was allowing out of house candidates to present ideas in order to do his due diligence, even if that was just a phone call)
    JF: “I had several conversations on the phone just out of curiosity, but I never through the process did I have any serious intentions in getting somebody in talking. Particularly because of where we were. Your terminology, your run game philosophy, your game calling philosophy the understanding of your personnel – it’s engrained in you. From an organizational standpoint, I didn’t want to change any of that. I wanted to get better. I didn’t want to change things, I just wanted to get better. We needed to get better offensively to get us to that next step. I knew that this staff was qualified to do that. We just needed some new leadership and that’s what we have.”

    (On what he likes about Coach Cignetti and what are his assets)
    JF: “He’s done a great job with the quarterbacks. I’m with him every day. We’re on the field, watch him interact. In particular, it’s his leadership skills. His experience in this offense. His flexibility, his ability to adjust and I have no concern whatsoever about his play calling ability because he’s called plays before.”

    (On what Assistant Head Coach/Offense Rob Boras’s role will be regarding the offense and run game)
    JF: “This is going to be a staff effort with respect to the run game, which is going to be led by Frank and Rob’s going to be very much involved. When I made my decision, I called Ellen (Cignetti) and told his wife before I told him. I congratulated her first, and then I talked to both Frank and Rob and moments after they were both excited and they were ready to work. They were sitting there just exchanging ideas and ready to go. Back to your question, he’s going to have a lot more input, I’ll put it that way as far as which direction we go. Particularly, because I was really impressed with his presentations and his thoughts. Never was it a critical moment with respect to Brian (Schottenheimer), but this is how we move forward and Rob was outstanding in his vision and a lot of it paralleled with Frank.”

    (On if the wife is always the first to know)
    FC: “I tell you what my wife was happy. Coach Fisher made her day, that’s for sure.”

    (On if becoming an offensive coordinator in the NFL has been something he’s hoped for throughout his career)
    FC: “Well of course we all hope to elevate in our careers. When Coach Fisher and I first talked, I told him I wanted to be the coordinator and here’s why. I view coordinating as leadership. When you’re the coordinator you have the ability to inspire and to motivate, not only the offensive staff, but the players. I view it as putting people in a position to be successful. Put coaches in a position to be successful, put the players the position to be successful – there’s going to be ownership here. This is our offense. This is the St. Louis Rams’ offense and the coaches and players, we’re going to build this thing together. The thing that most attracted me, it’s not calling the plays because we’re going to game-plan together and we’re going to put a great plan together. Frankly, like we talked game day’s one of the easiest parts of it, in terms of calling it up not in terms of getting the execution. But, I’m looking forward to creating ownership, getting everyone bought in and just having fun.”

    (On how much emphasis is put on the game plan versus being in the moment and having to feel of what’s going on in the game)
    FC: “There’s a little bit of both. First off, you set your game plan. Let’s say we set our openers, our first 15, second 15. You set your situational openers. But, you’ve got to also be flexible to take advantage of something that’s there. There’s some intuition of, ‘Hey, it’s time to get a little bit off the openers because they can’t stop this.’ If a team can’t stop something, then let’s keep attacking them. The openers and the situational openers, that’s your roadmap. That’s what we’ve worked all week on designing to give us the best chance for success.”

    (On if he’s studied ways to improve the team’s third-quarter performance)
    FC: “We’re in the process of studying ourselves. Every team’s going through this process right now. You study yourself. You study your run game, your protections, your passing game, you study your calls. Every year you want to evolve and get better. Frankly, how we look at it is, ‘Hey, the past is the past, you study yourself.’ But we’re moving forward.”

    (On what his comfort level is with this offense and how much input he had in previous years)
    FC: “We all had input. Coach (Brian) Schottenheimer was the coordinator, he did a great job. As you game-plan, you have your run pods, you have your pass pod, you bring it all together. Every staff member has ownership. Everyone on the offensive staff is going to have ownership and everyone on the offensive staff understands the game plan.”

    (On what specific input he had on the offense when he was the quarterbacks coach)
    FC: “I guess what I’m alluding to, is we’ve all had input.”

    (On what he views as the biggest difference between him and Schottenheimer)
    FC: “The biggest difference? Because everyone is different. I think the biggest difference in myself is and I told (Head) Coach (Jeff Fisher) this, I want to be the offensive coordinator in terms of leadership and motivation. We want to hire a quarterback coach that will be the quarterback coach. I’m not going to be as involved with the quarterback as much as Coach Schottenheimer was involved. That would probably be the biggest difference.”

    (On what he presented to Fisher in his meetings)
    FC: “To repeat myself, I wanted to be the coordinator because I love to lead. I love to try to bring a group of men together, coaches and players, and try to make it something great, to go from good to great. As Coach and I sat down in our two meetings, I think what happened was we go to know each other better. Coach asked great questions. I was very comfortable in both conversations and if anything it just built our relationship. That’s the other thing that’s important in the leadership is you’ve got to care about people and build trusting relationships. I think through our process that’s what happened. We got to know each other better.”

    JF: “I personally had plenty of time to go back and reflect and look at the offense and identify some areas that need to be improved on. Like what you’re talking about with the third quarter stuff and the third-down efficiency and tying the run game to the play-action game and simplifying the offense and reducing things and establishing an identity and all those kind of things. So, those are the kind of things that we talked about and those are the things that were very attractive to me from a standpoint of not only his background, his experience just understanding offensive concepts, but also different ways of doing things. So, we are going to change, but change is good. This change is going to be very, very good for us.”

    (On if change in the offense means they are going to throw the ball 50 times a game)
    JF: “No, we’re going to throw it less than 10 (times) every week.” (laughs)

    (On if the overall offensive philosophy will remain the same)
    JF: “We’re saying the same thing that I think everybody else is saying. We need to do it better. We need to execute. We need to minimize mistakes. We need to reduce the amount of information that we’re giving to the players and go out and execute. Having the opportunity to go back and look at the individual games, individual situations and deficiencies over the last couple years, those are the areas that are going to change, that are going to improve.”

    (On Cignetti’s involvement with the quarterbacks now)
    JF: “No, he’s coordinating now. He’s going to oversee everything. We’ll have a quarterback coach in place that’s going to help us. That process is ongoing. As it was reported, we did have Jeff Garcia in last night and today. I’ll continue to interview several others. We have some really solid options in place, but again, we’re going to probably take a little time before we make that decision.”

    (On how Cignetti being less involved with the quarterbacks differs from Schottenheimer)
    JF: “I think as we move forward…not less involved. He’s going to allow the quarterback coach to spend more time with him in the meetings and on the field, which will be a little different than it has been in the past.”

    (On if there was too much volume in the offense in years past)
    JF: “I think we agreed there was at times.”

    (On if the volume of the offense hindered some of the skill players)
    JF: “I’m confident that our system will be such in April when the players come back for the offseason program, we’ll be simplified, but appear to be much more complex.”

    (On if the complexity of the offense is due to it being new)
    JF: “Because of his thoughts and ideas and his experience.”

    (On if the language of the playbook will remain similar to the one the team has used the last three years)
    FC: “The foundation of the playbook is the same. Coach Schottenheimer’s put a terrific system in place here, the same system I was a part of when I was with the San Francisco 49ers. The foundation is going to be the same. Whether Coach Schottenheimer was still here or whether it was myself leading, every year you look at ways of doing things better. So, things that we talked about was how could we minimize terminology? So there’s certain things that we did in my past that we’ll be able to minimize terminology. So, as an offensive staff, we’re going to evaluate everything. If there’s a better way to learn, if there’s a better way to teach, then we’ll make changes. We’re not going to change just to make changes, but if it’s something that’s going to help us win football games, then we’ll make the necessary changes.”

    (On the importance of finding consistency at the quarterback position)
    FC: “We’re looking forward to Sam moving forward. He’s doing a great job in his rehabilitation. When you go back last year, he had an outstanding offseason. He had a great training camp. Unfortunately, in Cleveland he got injured. Moving forward, getting Sam back healthy will greatly increase our chances of winning.”

    (On the input Cignetti will have regarding potential personnel moves at the quarterback position)
    JF: “He’ll have significant input on that. As I mentioned, that most likely is going to happen. It’s not as much from the standpoint of challenging Sam; it’s to have options. We don’t know what that looks like right now. We don’t know if that’s draft, free agency or what that looks like. But, when we line up in September, we’ll have somebody there.”

    (On if there’s been a ‘Frank Cignetti’ style of offense in his past coordinator jobs)
    FC: “I think you have a base identity as a play caller, which I think anybody who knows myself, I believe in running the football. You run the ball to win. The quarterback’s best friend is running the football, but you also have to be flexible enough to do whatever it takes to win a game. If you go back and look at all the different places I’ve coordinated, I think it’s important you take advantage of players’ abilities. Every place I’ve been, I’ve looked at the players and said, ‘How can I put them in a position to be successful?’ So, every stop along the way looks a little bit different in terms of thinking players, not plays. And, how do you get the ball in your playmakers’ hands?”

    (On how helpful it is that he already has established relationships with the players)
    FC: “It helps tremendously. It helps tremendously that we have a great offensive staff in place, that we’ve been here together. We work well together. We know our strengths and weaknesses. We’re looking to make changes for the better. We’ve worked with the players now for three years and we have a great group of players. They work hard. They’re talented. They buy in. They give us everything. Coach (Fisher) has created an unbelievable environment for coaches and players to be successful. So, I think there’s an advantage for an offensive staff moving forward that we have continuity and we’ve been here.”

    (On how he views the potential of the offense)
    FC: “I don’t know why we can’t be great. I don’t think you ever put limits on anything. If you believe, you can achieve. We want to go from good to great and it’s a process. It takes one day at a time.”

    (On how his Fresno State teams went from run heavy to pass heavy during his tenure there)
    FC: “You have a guy like Bernard Berrian, who’s one of the best college football players and you want to get the ball in his hand because you can throw him a little bubble screen and it might end up in the end zone. So, you take a look at your personnel and how can you take advantage of their abilities. That’s just a quick example.”

    (On if he has any thoughts on how to get WR Tavon Austin more involved)
    FC: “Absolutely. (WR) Coach (Ray) Sherman and myself and the offensive staff, we’ve talked about that. Tavon Austin is an outstanding football player. I saw him here this week, fired up to get working with him. As Coach (Fisher) and I sat down, ‘Hey, you think players, not plays,’ especially in tough situations. Tavon Austin’s a playmaker.”

    (On if Bradford was in the loop during the process of hiring an offensive coordinator)
    JF: “I had a lengthy discussion with Sam, yes, prior to making the decision. It was part of the information gathering process. Sam was very forthcoming. He had some firm opinions. I really enjoyed and appreciated his input.”

    (On if Cignetti would have been hired if Bradford had voiced objections about him)
    JF: “We wouldn’t be sitting here right now.”

    FC: “As it should be.”

    (On Bradford’s status regarding his rehab from ACL surgery and if they still hope to have him with the Rams)
    JF: “That’s correct, yes. He’s been in the building since the season ended. He’s doing well.”

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    Fisher says Rams’ offense needs tweaks, not overhaul

    By R.B. FALLSTROM

    http://www.thestate.com/2015/02/13/3987355/fisher-says-rams-offense-needs.html

    ST. LOUIS — Jeff Fisher had several phone conversations with outside candidates for the St. Louis Rams’ opening at offensive coordinator. Only out of curiosity, he says.

    Just one of those people was brought in for an interview. Staying in-house and promoting quarterbacks coach Frank Cignetti reflects Fisher’s desire for fine-tuning rather than a system overhaul.

    “I love to lead,” Cignetti said Friday at his introductory news conference. “I don’t know why we can’t be great. We want to go from good to great.”

    Among the tweaks, Cignetti will have less hands-on involvement with the quarterback than predecessor Brian Schottenheimer, and the playbook probably will be simplified. Continuity is a major factor.

    “We are going to change, but change is good,” Fisher said. “This change is going to be very, very good for our offense.”

    Fisher fully expects the starting quarterback to be Sam Bradford, the No. 1 pick of the 2010 draft who’s rehabbing from a second straight season-ending left knee injury — and entering the final year of his contract. Fisher said he discussed the Cignetti promotion extensively with Bradford, adding the move wouldn’t have been made if Bradford hadn’t approved,

    The coach also backed off remarks from his season-ending news conference in which he said the Rams would seek to bring in a quarterback to compete for the job, and that Bradford would also have to rework his contract. In the final installment of a six-year, $78 million deal, Bradford is set to make a base salary of nearly $13 million, with a cap number of $16.58 million.

    “It’s not as much from a standpoint of challenging, it’s to have options,” Fisher said. “We don’t know what that looks like right now, whether that’s draft or free agency.”

    Fisher said Bradford has been rehabbing daily at Rams Park since the end of the season.

    Shaun Hill and Austin Davis shared the starting job last year and it’s unclear whether the Rams want either player back.

    Fisher interviewed Jeff Garcia for the vacant quarterbacks coach job the last two days and said the Rams would interview “several others.” Like the Cignetti hire, he appeared in no hurry to finalize that spot, though he added Cignetti had been on the job more than a week before the introductory news conference.

    “We have some really solid options in place, but again we’re going to probably take a little bit of time before we make that decision,” Fisher said.

    The Rams (6-10) struggled particularly in the third quarter and on third downs. They were outscored by 88 points in the second half, among the worst in the NFL.

    “We need to do it better, we need to execute, we need to minimize mistakes,” Fisher said. “We need to reduce the amount of information that we’re giving to the players and go out and execute.”

    Like Schottenheimer, Cignetti wants to get wide receiver/return man Tavon Austin more involved.

    “I saw him this week, fired up to get working with him,” Cignetti said. “Tavon Austin’s a playmaker.”

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    Fisher, Cignetti support Bradford

    By Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/fisher-cignetti-support-bradford/article_d8c2575f-309f-53c4-b43d-2696a956ba6c.html

    One of the most noteworthy things to come out of Friday’s introductory press conference for new offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti was how strongly both Cignetti and coach Jeff Fisher came out in support of quarterback Sam Bradford.

    Based on what was said Friday, there appears to be little doubt that Bradford will be with the team next season — and be the starter.

    One exchange was particularly telling during the 20-minute session at Rams Park. When asked if Bradford was kept in the loop during the process of hiring an offensive coordinator, Fisher replied:

    “I had a lengthy discussion with Sam, yes, prior to making the decision. It was part of the information gathering process. Sam was very forthcoming. He had some firm opinions. I really enjoyed and appreciated his input.”

    So would Cignetti have been promoted to coordinator (after three seasons as QB coach) if Bradford had voiced objections?

    “We wouldn’t be sitting here right now,” Fisher replied.

    “As it should be,” Cignetti chimed in.

    If you were seriously considering trading Bradford, or even releasing him, none of that probably would’ve taken place.

    So the Rams definitely want him back in ’15?

    “That’s correct, yes,” Fisher said. “He’s been in the building since the season ended. He’s doing well.”

    Fisher even backed down from his end-of-the-season comment that there will be competition for Bradford on the roster next season, competition that’s currently “not in the building.” The plan still calls for at least one new face on the quarterback depth chart in 2015, but on Friday having competition became having options.

    Here’s what Fisher had to say Friday when asked about bringing in an outside QB.

    “It’s not as much from the standpoint of challenging Sam,” Fisher said. “It’s to have options. We don’t know what that looks like right now. We don’t know if that’s draft, if that’s free agency, or what that looks like. But when we line up in September, we’ll have somebody there.”

    Fisher’s altered stance may be partly to do with the fact that the free-agent market is lean, there don’t seem to be many concrete trade options developing, and the 2015 draft is neither deep nor strong at the position.

    (Sunday’s Post-Dispatch will explore the free-agent and trade markets at quarterback.)

    Continuity and stability on the offense were cited by Fisher as one of the main reasons he chose to promote from within at coordinator, selecting Cignetti in a close call over tight ends coach Rob Boras for the job. In the end, Boras was promoted to assistant head coach/offense while still maintaining his duties as tight ends coach.

    “Same system for Sam, same system for the rest of his teammates,” Fisher said. “That was very, very important, and it was about how we get better. How we become more productive.”

    All told, Bradford’s name came up a half-dozen times at the press conference, often without prompting by media members.

    “We’re looking forward to Sam moving forward,” Cignetti said. “He’s doing a great job in his rehabilitation. When you go back to last year, he had an outstanding offseason. He had a great training camp. Unfortunately, in Cleveland he got injured. Moving forward, getting Sam back healthy again will greatly increase our chances of winning.”

    The team remains optimistic that it can restructure Bradford’s contract for 2015 — the final year of his original deal — in a way that is more cap friendly.

    When the Rams get on the field for spring practices, Bradford and the rest of the squad will find some changes in approach and playbook compared to how things were done for three seasons under Cignetti predecessor Brian Schottenheimer.

    For one, the playbook will be simplified. There will be less volume than was the case under Schottenheimer, who left in January to become OC for the Georgia Bulldogs.

    In discussing changes being made on offense, Fisher said: “We need to reduce the amount of information that we’re giving to the players, and go out and execute.”

    So was there too much volume in the playbook previously?

    “I think we agreed that there was at times,” Fisher replied. “I’m confident that our system will be such in April … that it will be simplified but appear to be much more complex.”

    As a rookie in 2013, wide receiver Tavon Austin remarked that the playbook was like Spanish to him. By minimizing terminology in the playbook, Cignetti hopes for better results.

    “The foundation of the playbook’s the same,” Cignetti said. “Coach Schottenheimer’s put a terrific system in place here, the same system I was part of when I was with the San Francisco 49ers (as QB coach in 2007).”

    But Cignetti added: “Whether Coach Schottenheimer was still here or whether it was myself leading, every year you look at ways of doing things better. Something that we talked about was how could we minimize terminology? There’s certain things that we did in my past that we’ll be able to minimize terminology.”

    Another change from Schottenheimer’s tenure is that Cignetti — as coordinator — won’t be as hands-on with the team’s quarterbacks.

    “I’m not going to be as involved with the quarterback as much as Coach Schottenhiemer was involved,” Cignetti said. “That would probably be the biggest difference (in approach).”

    Fisher added: “Frank’s going to allow the quarterback coach to spend more time with (the QBs) in the meetings and on the field, which will be a little different than how it has been in the past.”

    Fisher confirmed that he interviewed Jeff Garcia for the quarterbacks coach job on Thursday and Friday. Fisher said he has at least one other candidate in mind for Cignetti’s old job, but didn’t give a definite timetable on when that position would be filled.

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    I like this. Continuity is very important. I still think a healthy San B can be the best QB in the NFC West. I’m just a bit skeptical on how well that knee is healed. Maybe they should have gone bionic or something…

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    Laram

    First thing that I heard from Cig that I liked was his willingness to go off script and stay with something the defense cannot defend.

    That’s something that use to frustrate me in the past. Stay with it until they stop it.

    Secondly he told something about Shotty. He said the biggest difference between he and Shotty is that he wanted to be the OC (to coordinate everything) and would essentially let the OC take care of the qb.

    Translation for ME: Shotty wanted to work very closely with the qb, and didn’t allow me to do my job.

    I’m not sure how I feel about that. IMO the OC should work closely with the qb.

    Cigs, sounds like he’s more of an operational guy.

    That’s interesting to me.

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    St. Louis Rams look to simplify offense with Frank Cignetti

    By Nick Wagoner | ESPN.com

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — One of the first orders of business for the St. Louis Rams before the real offseason begins is going through an extensive period of self-scouting.

    As coach Jeff Fisher and his offensive coaches went back through the 2014 season, he came to a few conclusions.

    Frank Cignetti looks to have an offense that will be simpler but “appear to be much more complex.””I personally had plenty of time to go back and reflect and look at the offense and identify some areas that need to be improved on,” Fisher said. “Like what you’re talking about with the third quarter stuff and the third-down efficiency and tying the run game to the play-action game and simplifying the offense and reducing things and establishing an identity and all those kind of things.”

    Out of that laundry list of items, the word “simplifying” jumps out the most. I know what you’re thinking: How can an offense based in the principles of “ground and pound” be too complicated? Well, Fisher believes that at times the Rams’ offense was too voluminous, asking the players to remember a lot of things in a given week.

    Former coordinator Brian Schottenheimer’s offense (under Fisher’s guidance) may be fairly fundamental philosophically but it also came with plenty of shifts, movements and details that gave the players an abundance of things to do and remember on every snap.

    In elevating quarterbacks coach Frank Cignetti to offensive coordinator, Fisher said he saw in Cignetti an ability to help the offense get where it wants to go without having to change what it does at its core.

    “Those are the kind of things that we talked about and those are the things that were very attractive to me from a standpoint of not only his background, his experience just understanding offensive concepts, but also different ways of doing things,” Fisher said. “So, we are going to change, but change is good. This change is going to be very, very good for us.”

    Asked if he thought the offense was too complicated, Fisher confirmed that in discussions with Cignetti, there was a bit of a consensus that it was.

    “I think we agreed there was at times,” Fisher said.

    Which puts the onus on Cignetti and his staff to find ways to reduce the offense and simplify it while also ensuring that it offers enough options to have success. There is no doubt that the Rams offense will have a similar approach in 2015 with the language and playbook remaining the same. Boiled down to simpler terms, the idea is to continue doing the same things the offense has done in the past but do it better.

    “The foundation of the playbook is the same,” Cignetti said. “Coach Schottenheimer’s put a terrific system in place here, the same system I was a part of when I was with the San Francisco 49ers. The foundation is going to be the same. Whether Coach Schottenheimer was still here or whether it was myself leading, every year you look at ways of doing things better.

    “So, things that we talked about was how could we minimize terminology? So there’s certain things that we did in my past that we’ll be able to minimize terminology. So, as an offensive staff, we’re going to evaluate everything. If there’s a better way to learn, if there’s a better way to teach, then we’ll make changes. We’re not going to change just to make changes, but if it’s something that’s going to help us win football games, then we’ll make the necessary changes.”

    It’s a process that’s already begun.

    “I’m confident that our system will be such in April when the players come back for the offseason program, we’ll be simplified,” Fisher said. “But appear to be much more complex.”

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