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  • #70278
    PA Ram
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    Ossoff lost to Handel in Georgia.

    The most expensive House race in history. Money didn’t matter. This guy was either tied or up anywhere from 1 to 7 points in the recent polls and lost by 5 percent.

    So does this tell us anything at all? Is it a…well the guy was close in a district that Price and Newt ruled?

    Is it that the Dems still can’t win races they should win?

    Is it that polls are meaningless?

    Is it that elections are rigged?

    Was this a lot of noise about one House race that doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme?

    I find it interesting that the Dems can’t win ONE of these races–not one. Even in the Trump era.

    I think they should be very concerned about that.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/georgia-election-results-ossoff-handel-n774936

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #70283
    wv
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    “On Tuesday night, top Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway tweeted that, in fact, the outcome was a referendum on the president.”

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    #70287
    snowman
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    from the Washington Times:ossof loses

    ROSWELL, Georgia — Republican Karen Handel did something Tuesday that her Democratic rival Jon Ossoff could not do in their runoff race in the 6th Congressional District: she voted.
    Mrs. Handel cast her vote at the St. Mary’s Orthodox Church and was more than happy to remind members of the press that she has lived in the district for decades and that Mr. Ossoff lives outside it.
    “Everybody should watch me put on my ‘I voted sticker’ since my opponent can’t do that today,” she said on her way back to her car. “I have lived her for 25 years and I think that is going to make a big difference with voters in this district.”
    As she spoke, a horde of Ossoff cheered “flip the 6th” near the entrance to the church.

    Not sure I would vote for someone who did not live in my district. Not sure how someone could run for office living outside the district he/she would represent. Not sure how democrats cannot find a credible candidate within the district. Not sure about a lot of things.

    #70290
    wv
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    from the Washington Times:ossof loses

    ROSWELL, Georgia — Republican Karen Handel did something Tuesday that her Democratic rival Jon Ossoff could not do in their runoff race in the 6th Congressional District: she voted.
    Mrs. Handel cast her vote at the St. Mary’s Orthodox Church and was more than happy to remind members of the press that she has lived in the district for decades and that Mr. Ossoff lives outside it.
    “Everybody should watch me put on my ‘I voted sticker’ since my opponent can’t do that today,” she said on her way back to her car. “I have lived her for 25 years and I think that is going to make a big difference with voters in this district.”
    As she spoke, a horde of Ossoff cheered “flip the 6th” near the entrance to the church.

    Not sure I would vote for someone who did not live in my district. Not sure how someone could run for office living outside the district he/she would represent. Not sure how democrats cannot find a credible candidate within the district. Not sure about a lot of things.

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    Well i wouldnt care if he lived on Mars as long as I liked his policies,
    but I know what ya mean. Probly wasnt the best strategy by the Dem Party. Or Dum party.

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    #70294
    zn
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    Interesting take.

    Roger Lancaster from Facebook:

    “Look, this is not complicated. Republicans have scored narrow victories over Democrats in a string of strongly Republican districts since the presidential election. It hasn’t especially mattered whether the Democrats nominated leftists or moderates. It’s the districts, stupid.
    But also this: Ossoff lost in the kind of educated, affluent suburban district that the moderate Democrats want to win — and by a slightly wider margin than Hilary Clinton. The leftists, on the other hand, have closed far, far wider presidential election gaps to achieve similar close results in downstream, lower-income, less educated districts.
    This tells us who has the stronger strategy.
    If Democrats run homegrown economic progressives across the board, they can increase the Democratic share of the vote by 10-15 percent. They won’t win them all. But they will win back the House and Senate.
    If Democrats target affluent suburban districts with more moderate candidates, they won’t get squat.”

    #70296
    Zooey
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    “If Democrats run homegrown economic progressives across the board, they can increase the Democratic share of the vote by 10-15 percent. They won’t win them all. But they will win back the House and Senate.
    If Democrats target affluent suburban districts with more moderate candidates, they won’t get squat.”

    And who here thinks the dems will decide to back more progressives in light of this?

    That’s a rhetorical question. No need to answer.

    #70307
    Cal
    Participant

    That educated, affluent district had a chance to vote for progressive policies in the 2016 primary and they chose Clinton over Bernie.

    Bernie lost that district by more than 10 points

    There are still many places where progressive policies aren’t going to win elections.

    #70310
    nittany ram
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    Ossoff lost to Handel in Georgia.

    The most expensive House race in history. Money didn’t matter. This guy was either tied or up anywhere from 1 to 7 points in the recent polls and lost by 5 percent.

    So does this tell us anything at all? Is it a…well the guy was close in a district that Price and Newt ruled?

    Is it that the Dems still can’t win races they should win?

    Is it that polls are meaningless?

    Is it that elections are rigged?

    Was this a lot of noise about one House race that doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme?

    I find it interesting that the Dems can’t win ONE of these races–not one. Even in the Trump era.

    I think they should be very concerned about that.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/georgia-election-results-ossoff-handel-n774936

    Well, the dems did win one special election in Delaware and they came close to winning in some other districts that voted heavily for Trump.

    On the other hand voter turnout has been down in most of these special elections. If continued voter apathy during the Trump shit-storm doesn’t convince the DNC that they need a new direction, then nothing will.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 10 months ago by nittany ram.
    #70314
    PA Ram
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    Well, the dems did win one special election in Delaware and they came close to winning in some other districts that voted heavily for Trump.

    Delaware? You’re giving me Delaware????????

    Well start the revolution!!!! Whooo-hooooo!!!!!

    I agree about the DNC by the way. This corporate clan has no intention of giving up power. And guys like Harold Ford Jr. who go on television and state that this proves the Democrats have to move to the CENTER?

    The DNC pours tons of money into the Georgia contest with their pro-corporate friendly candidate and he loses by five points.

    The DNC ignores Rob Quist in Montana who campaigned with Bernie and he lost by about the same amount.

    So would they have done better betting on the populist?

    Or do the zombie Trump supporters not care? Would they just turn out and vote for Trump’s agenda either way?

    They said that there was high turnout in the Georgia election by Dems. But more Republicans showed up. We keep hearing about this so-called enthusiasm gap and Trump’s poor numbers and how these races are close so look out 2018! I’m not sure I buy anything the polls say anymore. I’m not sure the right isn’t more energized than the left when it comes to–you know–actually voting.

    Getting huge crowds in certain places is great. But elections are local–and districts are rigged for candidates. And we still have the electoral college. And the DNC doesn’t seem to get anything.

    8 years of Trump or if not him Pence?

    I can see it.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #70329
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    Delaware? You’re giving me Delaware????????

    Well start the revolution!!!! Whooo-hooooo!!!!!

    I didn’t say winning in DE was cause to celebrate.

    I was just correcting a statement of yours.

    Specifically, this statement:

    I find it interesting that the Dems can’t win ONE of these races–not one.

    So, as it turns out they did win one.

    Exactly one.

    Therefore, your statement that they could not win ONE of those races was patently wrong.

    In fact, they did exactly what you said they couldn’t do…

    which was to win ONE race.

    What this means is that the exact opposite of what you SAID was true was ACTUALLY true. So your statement wasn’t a fact. It was an alternate fact.

    How very Alex Jones of you.

    Is that what you’re going for? Alex Jones?

    Cuz that’s who you sound like right now.

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    #70339
    wv
    Participant

    How very Alex Jones of you.

    Is that what you’re going for? Alex Jones?

    Cuz that’s who you sound like right now.

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    Well at least he’s not a Seahawk fan.

    An Amish Alex Jones? Sure.

    But there’s worse things.

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    #70356
    PA Ram
    Participant

    How very Alex Jones of you.

    Is that what you’re going for?
    Alex Jones?

    No, I just think that you are part of the squid alien race trying to control the government.

    Alex Jones is nuts.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #70358
    zn
    Moderator

    squid alien race trying to control the government

    Trying? Trying?!

    Now who’s being naive.

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    #70388
    PA Ram
    Participant

    I’ll tell you something–from going to places like Democratic Underground and reading a lot of Twitter–it sure seems to me that the Democratic party is in shambles. Maybe part of that is just Russian trolls starting trouble–but I think it’s effective. The Clinton/ Sanders divide isn’t healing anytime soon.

    Just read a post from Bernie asking Californians to call Rendon about putting single payer on the table(a Democrat who won’t do it) and there are people tearing into Bernie telling him to mind his own business, or that he’s trying to take credit if California passes it, or that single payer is just not affordable(I’ve seen that attack a lot lately–including newspapers) and it is a divide in the party that I’m not sure will heal.

    Everyone thought the Republicans would implode after Trump but I’m not so sure about that. Republicans voters follow in lock step when all is said and done. There is no greater enemy than liberals. Period.

    Not so with Democrats. They still hate Ralph Nader.

    It will take some sort of Independent/Democrat alliance to push back at some of this disaster. The party by itself isn’t capable of that.

    That’s an iffy prospect.

    But man, are they a mess.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

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