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July 29, 2016 at 7:48 pm #49714znModerator
Compare the candidates: Clinton vs. Trump on the economy
The battle of economic agendas between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is a showdown of wonk vs. CEO.
Clinton has literally decades of experience in the domestic and international policy trenches. Befitting this background, she has offered a wide range of detailed proposals on everything from renewable energy goals to sick-leave guarantees. The issues page of her campaign website lists no fewer than 32 topic headings, some as specific as Alzheimer’s disease and animal welfare.
By contrast, Trump is a novice in electoral politics but an experienced CEO. He has offered specifics on a few issues, such as taxes and trade, but for the most part, Trump’s web pages on the issues offer broad statements rather than details.
Perhaps more noteworthy, experts said, is Trump’s willingness to shift his views over time, even from interview to interview.
Over her long political career, Clinton has racked up her share of flip-flops, most recently on the international trade deal known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. But Trump sometimes reverses positions within days, or minutes. We’ve parsed his confusing comments on such important policy issues as whether the minimum wage should be increased, whether wealthier Americans should pay more in taxes, and whether he might renegotiate the U.S. debt if he became president.
“When he’s pressed about what his plan is, he’ll say, ‘Well, that’s a starting point,’ ” said Roberton Williams, a fellow at the Urban Institute-Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center.
Still, observers say the highlights of both candidates’ policy views do communicate broad themes about how Clinton and Trump would approach economic policy.
Trump has been “pretty consistent about three big economic policy items,” said Gary Burtless, an economist with the Brookings Institution. The first, he said, is to raise barriers to immigration. The second is to impose potentially large tariffs on goods from Mexico and China. And the third is to enact large tax cuts.
Clinton proposes a fairly cautious agenda — one that offers a measure of change, but without blowing up the existing system and without bucking longstanding practices such as staying within budget constraints.
On taxes, “the Clinton plan is pretty much Obama extended,” Williams said. “On the whole, she proposes a fairly small increase in taxes that would be borne almost entirely by the wealthy.” Her plan would increase revenues collected by $1.1 trillion over 10 years, according to the Tax Policy Center’s modeling.
By contrast, Trump’s across-the-board tax cuts would represent a far bigger change than Clinton’s proposal. It would lower revenues over 10 years by a whopping $9.6 trillion, according to the Tax Policy Center’s analysis.
“He says economic growth and cuts would make up for that, but it’s hard to imagine that it would be possible to do so,” Williams said.
Burtless agreed, saying he’s “very skeptical the effects growth will be more than a small percentage of the amount Trump has claimed.”
They got support on June 17 from Moody’s Analytics, an economic research and data-services firm that examined Trump’s policies on taxes, government spending, immigration and international trade. Moody’s concluded that Trump’s proposals would make the U.S. economy less global and would substantially increase the federal debt, benefit the wealthy disproportionately, and push unemployment up. (Moody’s has said it will release a similar analysis of Clinton’s plan but has yet to do so.)
One of the clearest policy contrasts between the two candidates involves energy: Clinton seeks to wean the United States from fossil fuels by setting targets for renewable energy, while Trump wants to aggressively revitalize the flagging domestic oil and gas sector.
On the other hand, one area of convergence between Clinton and Trump are issues of interest to blue-collar Americans — a demographic that includes some Bernie Sanders supporters who may be up for grabs in the general election.
Both Clinton and Trump have urged increased spending on infrastructure and have advocated policies that help rebuild the nation’s manufacturing sector, though Clinton has offered greater policy and budgetary specifics.
And while Trump has made getting tough on the United States’ foreign trading partners one of the centerpieces of his campaign, Clinton has moved away from her longstanding support for free trade, particularly as a result of her tough primary fight against Sanders. When she and Sanders appeared together for a unity event July 12, Clinton said, “We’re going to say no to attacks on working families and no to bad trade deals and unfair trade practices, including the Trans- Pacific Partnership.”
July 29, 2016 at 7:50 pm #49715znModeratorHere’s What Moody’s Says Hillary Clinton’s Policies Would Do To the Economy
by Claire Zillman
Here’s What Moody’s Says Hillary Clinton’s Policies Would Do To the Economy
Last month, the analytics arm of credit ratings agency Moody’s released a report on what the U.S. economy would look like under a Donald Trump administration. Its assessment wasn’t pretty. Lead author Mark Zandi concluded that Trump’s policies would lead to a “more isolated and diminished” economy that would “suffer meaningfully.”
On Friday it was Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton’s turn to get the Moody’s treatment and her economic proposals faired much better.
After assessing her policies on taxes and government spending, foreign immigration, and the federal minimum wage, Moody’s concluded that a President Hillary Clinton would oversee a “somewhat stronger U.S. economy.”
Near-term growth would benefit from her spending plans and her proposal for much stronger foreign immigration. “Increased government spending, particularly more infrastructure investment financed primarily by higher taxes on the well-to-do, acts as an economic stimulant.”
The report praised Clinton’s plan to increased spending on infrastructure, which Trump has also said he would do.
One particularly difference between the two candidates: Clinton has pushed for paid family leave. The report also says that would lift labor participation, and more government spending on early childhood and college education “would raise the educational attainment of workers.”
But her proposals are not without costs. The higher tax rates she proposes, the report says, would reduce the incentives to save, invest, and work. Her policies would also help the low- and middle-class since their tax bill would remain largely the same and they will benefit from increased government assistance. High-income households, meanwhile, will pay much more in taxes under a Clinton White House.
Moody’s assessment of Trump said that under his proposals the U.S. economy would “avoid a recession…but growth comes to a near standstill early in [his] term.” Long-term economic growth would slow and the trade deficit would rise. At the time of the report’s publication in June, the Trump campaign disputed the assessment and took issue with its conclusion that proposed tax cuts would hamper the economy.
It should be noted that Zandi, chief economist for Moody’s Analytics, is a registered Democrat and has donated to Clinton. Nonetheless, in 2008 he served as an advisor to presidential candidate Senator John McCain, a Republican from Arizona.
What’s more, it’s important to keep in mind that Trump and Clinton’s proposals are just that, and that their implementation depends largely on how much support they could drum up in Congress as president.
July 29, 2016 at 7:55 pm #49716znModeratorU.S. Economy Would Be ‘Diminished’ Under Trump’s Economic Plan, New Analysis Says
Report marks the first attempt at quantifying economic benefits and costs across Trump’s proposalsA new analysis concludes Donald Trump’s economic proposals, taken at face value, could produce a prolonged recession and heavy job losses that would fall hardest on low- and middle-income workers.
The Moody’s Analytics report, which a person close to the Trump campaign strongly disputed, is the first that attempts to quantify the cumulative economic benefits and costs of Mr. Trump’s proposals on taxes, trade, immigration and spending. It determines that full adoption of those policies would sharply reduce economic output during his first term and reduce employment by 3.5 million jobs.
Under almost any scenario, the report says, “the U.S. economy will be more isolated and diminished.”
The Moody’s analysis outlines scenarios that show more muted effects on the economy, assuming that Mr. Trump’s proposals are slimmed down, either voluntarily or as a result of legislative negotiations. Under the latter model, Moody’s assumes the tax cuts are whittled down sharply and that a trade war with China and Mexico is averted. The result is slower economic growth but not a recession.
The Moody’s analysis says Mr. Trump’s spending and tax-cut commitments, which include increases in veterans’ and border security funding but no changes in entitlement programs, would require massive spending cuts elsewhere in the federal budget to avoid $1 trillion deficits.
“There is a gulf between what he says he wants on taxes and spending and what it will take to make the budget arithmetic work,” said Mr. Zandi.
Mr. Trump’s tax plan would lower tax rates across the board and limit some deductions. The Tax Policy Center, a project of the Urban Institute and Brookings Institution, said the plan would cut federal revenues by $9.5 trillion, while the Tax Foundation, a think tank that favors lower taxes, said the plan would cost $10 trillion over a decade, even after assuming higher economic growth.
The report singles out trade and immigration policies as the most detrimental to the economy in the short run because they could sharply boost labor and goods prices at a time when there’s less slack in the labor market. “It is a massive supply shock to the economy that’s very pernicious, and the Fed doesn’t know how to respond to that,” said Mr. Zandi.
Moody’s concludes that those price pressures would force the central bank to raise interest rates at a faster-than-desired pace, contributing to a recession in 2018 that could produce a 25% drop in the S&P 500.
The adviser close to the Trump campaign said any analysis oversold the costs of Mr. Trump’s trade and immigration policies by failing to account for how substandard enforcement of trade rules and border controls have depressed wages for U.S. workers.
On trade, Mr. Trump has said he would use the threat of a 45% tariff on goods from China and 35% on non-oil imports from Mexico as a negotiating tool in seeking better trade and currency terms. Moody’s calculates that tariffs on imports from Mexico and China could increase goods import prices by 15%, raising overall consumer prices by 3%—all before factoring in the costs of retaliation against U.S. exporters.
The Moody’s economists warn that those tariffs would raise uncertainty for businesses, reducing American exports while corroding growth. While higher tariffs would quickly lead importers to move production to other countries, this would take time and also raise costs for businesses.
Separate projections made earlier this year by Peter Petri of Brandeis University found that Mr. Trump’s proposed tariffs would widen the U.S. trade deficit for goods by around $275 billion, or an 37% increase above last year’s level.
On immigration, Moody’s estimates that a crackdown on illegal immigration through forced deportations would reduce slack in the labor force but also leave more positions unfilled, particularly in industries such as agriculture where native-born workers have been reluctant to seek work even at modestly higher wages. Labor shortages in those industries could prompt job losses in upstream and downstream industries and also boost inflation as labor costs run higher, the report said.
August 6, 2016 at 9:27 pm #50319znModeratornote: Stiglitz is one of my favorite economic commentators
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Trump and the damage done
OPINION | JOSEPH E. STIGLITZ
ONE OF Donald Trump’s slogans is “Make America Great Again.” The irony is that probably never before has a presidential candidate done so much damage — damage that will be hard to repair even if he is not elected.
In a democracy, each elected government has the intrinsic right to change policy; each president has the right to try to persuade Congress to support his priorities. Thus, in a democracy, a “commitment” is always temporary, but the credibility of a country and its government is based on confidence that there will be sufficient continuity among successive governments. Historically, in the United States, foreign policy has been largely bipartisan. At its base, such continuity is based on the premise that there is a broad social consensus. Governments seek to achieve political sustainability of the policies that they enact by working to achieve broad support, often through compromise and cooperation among all elements of society.
Regrettably, the Republican right has sought to polarize the United States. They enacted, sometimes with support of conservative and center-left Democrats, policies that led to the “great divide” between the rich and poor in the United States — to the point where median income, adjusted for inflation, of a full-time male worker is lower than 40 years ago, the hourly wage at the bottom comparable to levels 60 years ago. It is not a surprise that there are many angry people who see the economy not working for them.
Trump has exploited this great divide, announcing a striking change in US policies toward others. Trade agreements will be broken, so too will NATO agreements. Everything is to be renegotiated — even the US debt. Trump, in his own dealings, never seemed to have believed that a man’s word was his honor. A contract, a promise to pay, was just the beginning of a negotiation.
Unless Trump is ignominiously defeated, with something like the landslide that defeated Barry Goldwater, the fact that Trump has done as well as he has — that he has received the nomination of one the two major parties, the Grand Old Party — puts all countries on notice: Next time, someone as or more extreme may be elected, someone even less committed (if that is possible) to honor old agreements.
Whether Trump likes it or not, the world has become highly interdependent. No country can solve the problems it faces — let alone the problems the world faces — on its own. Whether the United States likes it or not, it will be affected by global warming and climate change; there will be huge economic and social costs associated with weather variability. Terrorism is a global threat. Diseases move across borders, whatever Trump’s oratory. The United States is dependent on imports from other countries for many raw materials that do not exist within its borders. The United States requires cooperation with others for the stability of the global financial system and to enforce the global system of intellectual property.
But with such interdependence, there is a need for global cooperation. Such cooperation can’t exist if there isn’t a basic element of trust and confidence in one another. Trump has issued a strong warning to all other countries: You can’t trust me or any agreement I make. And Trump’s success — with the support of even seemingly “reasonable” Republicans, like Paul Ryan — has demonstrated that the problem is not just Trump. It is a problem with America. Others are asking, “Can America be trusted? Is its word its honor?” Trump has given a triumphant answer of American exceptionalism. He has said no.
Some might say: Hasn’t the United States (like other countries) always acted in its own interests? Isn’t Trump simply speaking honestly, something admittedly unusual in the world of global diplomacy?
This misses the critical issue: Yes, countries should act in their own long-term interest, but that requires trust and cooperation among countries. In ordinary business, cheating, lying, breaking one’s word, reneging on contracts, defaulting on loans might be good in the short run, but a businessman who engages in such policies will lose the respect of others — at least those who value honesty and trust, who will not want to deal with such a person. So, too, for countries. While the United States has not always been an exemplar of good behavior, never before has anyone in a responsible position suggested that we would renege on our debt. The United States has been a strong supporter of the international rule of law. We may not always fully live up to our agreements, but we typically do. Countries that violate the rule of law face the risk of sanctions. The enforcement of the international rule of law may be imperfect, but it is better than having no rule of law.
We need the cooperation of others. Trump’s success has raised the question: Can the United States be trusted in the long run? Trump has already done enormous damage to America’s reputation. The only way that the US can ameliorate this damage is for its voters to overwhelmingly repudiate Trumpism.
Joseph E. Stiglitz is a Nobel laureate in economics, university professor at Columbia University, and chief economist of the Roosevelt Institute. He is author of “Rewriting the Rules of the American Economy’’ and “The Great Divide.”
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