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  • #75159
    wv
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    A teeny-tiny, eensy-weensy example of capitalism in action, in the ‘criminal justice’ system, in my world…

    As usual today the court criminal-docket had ONLY poor people being brought to ‘justice’. (ive never actually seen a wealthy person arrested in the two WV counties I work in. I’m sure its happened. Maybe one percent of the time or so, but I cant remember ever actually seeing it. And I’m in court almost every-day. So, apparently poor people are bad, and rich people are good. Luckily God made all the bad people…poor…..apparently…….but I digress…)

    So my client today was in court for Driving on a suspended license (third offense) He lost his license nine years ago for a DUI and hasn’t been able to jump thru all the hoops to get it back. He’s been arrested three times now for “Driving on a suspended license”. Its a felony. He has had to drive to work. But he’s not allowed to drive. But he has to drive…to get to work….to pay the costs and fines he owes and to keep a roof over his kids heads….So, he keeps getting arrested….for driving to work….to make a living….etc.

    Now he is what the medical-experts call ‘bi-polar’ (almost all my clients have been diagnosed with bi-polar or depression or PTSD).

    So the judge wants to put him on probation in this case. (Jailing people costs money and the state is broke. If people are on probation they have to pay the STATE for that privilege. The state MAKES money on probation deals.)

    This defendant is off his meds. He cant work on them. Sez the bi-polar meds make him “a zombie” and he cant do his construction work if he feels like a zombie.

    So the judge hears he’s off his meds – and the Judge sez, “you need to take you meds” And then the judge makes a speech. The wealthy-judge thinks it’s a compassionate speech, I’m sure. Capitalist-middle-class-compassion. Here’s what the judge sez:
    “If the meds make you into a zombie sir, you need to go back and tell the doctor they make you feel that way. And then the doctor will change the dosage or drug. And if they still make you feel that way you go back to the doctor and they will change the drug again. And if you still feel bad you keep going back to the doctor until they get the right dosage and mix of drugs.”

    And the judge makes all that a part of his probation terms. So its mandatory now. He’ll go to jail if he fails to comply with the compassion.

    And the whole time I’m thinking to myself – the judge is an upper middle class privileged person – He can afford to do all that. He can keep going back to the doctor over and over get good medical care. A poor person cannot afford to miss work and a poor person cannot afford the visits and a poor person cannot afford the drugs. So the judge is setting this guy up for failure. On the other hand he does have bi-polar (among other things) and he needs help. Or bad things are gonna happen.

    And on and on it goes. All the time. Poor people being desperate. Poor people doing desperate things. Like selling marijuana to pay the bills, or driving to work on a suspended license or forging a name to pay for food, etc etc etc.

    So poor people become “criminals” in the capitalist system. Then they are dragged in front of wealthy-judges who give them commands on how to live.
    And the solutions always involve doing things that poor people cant do.

    Meanwhile the Rich continue to rape and destroy the biosphere, with pollution, toxic waste, chemical-poisoning, fracking, monopolies, etc….

    And the public…votes for the Dem-multi-millionaire…or the Rep-billionaire.

    Nothing wrong with this system 🙂

    I could go on. blah blah blah

    w
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    #75169
    nittany ram
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    Yeah, that poor guy is fucked. He won’t be able to comply with the judge’s instructions.

    This guy doesn’t get to see a psychiatrist regularly. When he sees a doctor, it’s probably some overworked family physician at the free clinic who can only spend 5 minutes with him because they have 40 other patients to see that day.

    He could be on the wrong medication. More likely it’s the right medication at the wrong dose, and then there’s other factors to consider like short acting vs long acting and the proper time to take them. All that stuff matters but it takes time to tease apart. He needs regular visits with a doctor (preferably a psychiatrist) that can spend the proper amount of time with him. He’s never going to get the meds right being forced to do what he’s doing now.

    And therefore, he’s fucked.

    You have the toughest job of anyone I know, wv…being around so much misery all the time. I admire your ability to handle that. Doubt that I could.

    #75173
    Zooey
    Participant

    I think that’s a pretty nice story.

    And part of me thinks the message of that story is so straight-forward that all we REALLY need to do is tell people that story.

    But 20 years of experience on the internet tells me that re-telling that story will make absolutely no difference to the judge, or the hard-working, “self-made,” white male voters. It’s hopeless. All we have is the possibility of eventually turning enough people out to vote that we just make things work better.

    #75174
    Billy_T
    Participant

    WV,

    I really like your posts when you talk about your own experiences. I wish you’d do more of them. Your video links are cool, too. But I can find most (but not all) of that stuff anywhere.

    There’s only one WV, though. One Nittany, _X_, PA Ram, ZN, TSRF, Zooey, Jack, Dak, Mac, etc. etc.

    Along the lines of the above post. I’d highly recommend this movie, The Headless Woman. It shows the trap of the poor like few other films I’ve ever seen, and it does it without preaching. It doesn’t have to.

    #75176
    zn
    Moderator

    I have a story. Not about me. I have heard stories like this my whole life. It sorta fits here.

    Melissa was a tough kid with a heavy accent from poor rural New Hampshire. She called herself New Hampshire trailer trash. Her father was a philandering alcoholic truck driver and her mother was bipolar. She dropped out of school when she could and started working to support herself and her mom. Various jobs and she excelled at all of them. Eventually she drifted into zookeeping and was good at it. One of my best friends, a guy I have known since 4th grade, dropped out of high school to become a zoo keeper and recently retired after being in charge of the elephants at the Columbus, Ohio zoo, which is a prestigious one. He told me that zookeepers are a distinct subculture. Melissa fit that. But she had dreams of “making it.” So she lost her accent and put on a fake New England general accent, got a GED, went to college part-time, then got into law school. Top 10 in her class with high visibility, bourgeois name-brand internships, published in her second year.

    Before she finished law school she was up for a Federal judge internship. For those who know law, that is just short of a Supreme Court internship. Turns out she got down to 1 of 2 finalists. And did not get it. That’s okay, but then her advisor in law school did what you never do—she told M. why she didn’t get it.

    The judge said that both candidates were very deserving but that in the end, he picked the other because he could never understand why someone would choose the path of getting a GED instead of completing school.

    The instant I heard that, I knew immediately that that judge had lived an entitled life that kept him in insulated circles and he knew absolutely nothing about life outside those gated confines. I mean I know people who got GEDs and I know why and I see it as a sign of character to fight back into the credential market that way. NO ONE I know anyway got a GED because they “make bad choices.” Everyone I know who has gotten a GED did it because they didn’t HAVE many choices.

    M. heard this and was bitter. She got a very well-healed corporate law job in a Washington DC law firm so well known there is a book about it—and there’s a book about it without it ever having done anything scandalous or wrong. It was just such a well regarded top corporate firm that there was enough interest in it to generate a book.

    M. has told me stories about working there. Mostly she just does well–she has been listed among the top lawyers in her particular sub-field in the country. But some of the stories reflect her outsider, alienated status. One thing she has said a few times is how often colleagues tell her that she is proof anyone can make it. She says that every time she hears that, she is superficially polite, but actually inwardly thinks “you entitled bastard.” (Her words.) Because she worked out there from 16 to 30 and she knows how many could NOT make it, because the obstacles are too hard and too many. She doesn’t mean an alcoholic father–that was his problem. But she has friends all over the place who struggled to just reach middle class normal with so much in their way. And to her, all the people telling her that she is proof anyone can make it are just demonstrating their own blindness to what it means to grow up poor. I say, tell them, and she says, they have no idea and they cannot hear it. I would just be making them uncomfortable and they can’t hear it because they don’t have the inner wiring to hear it.

    #75199
    PA Ram
    Participant

    wv, interesting story. Sad. Most people have no idea how the justice system works and the unfairness built into the system. I respect and appreciate what you do. It’s important work and I too can’t see how you do it all the time and have to witness the unfairness of it all. I know you truly care about these people.

    Matt Taibbi has written an excellent book on the subject for anyone interested in reading further. He contrasts the rich person’s experience in court vs. the poor person’s. It was eye opening for me.

    r

    https://www.amazon.com/Divide-American-Injustice-Age-Wealth/dp/0812983637/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1506696442&sr=8-2&keywords=matt+taibbi+books

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #75215
    JackPMiller
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    I almost thought it was you in the orange jumpsuit. Then I realized you were a lawyer. I wonder if we need a lawyer, if you give us a discount? Just wondering.

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